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Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:31 pm

I had been running This thread on Boeing's 777 Series order book for 2005. However, it was becoming long and it became archived. We were getting some very good and equitable contributions to that thread and as some have asked I thought I would post another to take us into year end. The more so given that 2005 appears likely to be the 777s best sales year since 2000.

To date Boeing have the following net 34 firm orders listed on their site:

Air France: 5 x 772F & 4 x 773ER
ANA: 4 x 773ER
Continental: 2 x 772ER
ILFC: 2 x 772ER & 6 x 773ER
TAAG: 2 x 772ER
Unidentified: 1 x 772ER, 5 x 773ER & 4 Model yet to be announced

Cancellations: United 1 x 772ER

Boeing has 59 Pending orders announced yet contract not finalised or listed on their site;

Air India: 5 x 772LR & 10 x 773ER
Biman: 4 x 772ER
EVA: 10 x 772F
Jet Airways: 10 x 773ER (refer below)
Qatar Airways: 20 777s (refer below)

9W recently filed with the local financial regulatory authority that they have finalised an order for 10 773ERs after having previously announced their intent for 6 x 772LR & 4 x 773ER. Perhaps they placed the order with conversion rights to 772LR if they receive regulatory approval for certain routes. I await their more formal announcement to see why they went with 10 773ERs.

QR, at Le Bourget, stated they would order "at least" 20 777 Series. They stated they expected to sign the order around now and I would be interested to hear whether anyone has heard of which 777s they'll go for. I assume that they'll order 10 x 773ER, 6 x 772LR & 4 x 772F.

That is a total of 93 announced orders and commitments and with Mr McNerney recently alluding to further orders we may well see over 100 commitments for the series this year, however, can Boeing match the 2000 sales figure? The previous thread brought in some good information, we figured out whom 2 UFO 772s were most likely for, we found out that AZ were interested in more frames. Also, KLM are interested in their 15th & 16th 772ER. With that in mind I'll list whom I feel could place order's before year end.

KLM - As stated, they are negotiating for their 15th & 16th 772ERs
EL AL - They have stated they are looking to procure further 777s, maybe via Lease.
PIA - Another thread mentions they wish to expand their fleet to 12, they only have 8 on order IIRC
Etihad - Have expressed an interest in the 772F & 772LR, perhaps an order at Dubai?

Finally not to forget current RFP's for Qantas, SQ & CX. Also there is Emirates whom after speaking very positively on the 772LR have gone rather quiet recently. I assume we're awaiting an announcement at Dubai too.

We now have 10 Unidentified 777 orders and no-one seems any wiser as to whom these could be for. My best guess is limited to the single 772ER being ILFC for AMs 3rd 777 for delivery in second half of 2006. Also we are no closer to knowing whom the 6 773ERs ILFC ordered at Le Bourget are for. Has anyone heard any more on these UFO or the ILFC orders?

Again, I have ommitted Air Canada from this as their order was never finalised prior to cancellation and I feel that given the time since this the original order most likely cannot be re-instated.

I apologise for not mentioning Airbus but my post is aimed at 777 orders for 2005 only. For those who wish to see an accurate year to date sales census of all models for both Airbus and Boeing I suggest This thread by Hamlet69 for an equitable summary.

Anyway, again, I had a few questions about 777 orders and would appreciate any clarifications, corrections or updates or discussion from anyone who may be able to assist.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Sep 16, 2005 10:41 pm

Nice to see this topic revisted again!

I would perhaps go with Raggi's suggestion for this latest UFO for 4 777s; Biman Bangladesh. I think that they realized that they need to put the order in to not have to wait too long and that they are making progress in getting financing.

I'm also looking forward to the officiial press release regarding Jet Airways' 777 purchase. I think Qatar may also firm up their order no later than at the Dubai Air Show, hopefully sooner.

Hopefully Qantas will announce an order for 777s before Christmas; that would be great ! Perhaps CX as well!

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:19 pm

Hi The777Man

You are correct, it will be an interesting final quarter and with the amount of "pending" orders it will be interesting to see just how many Boeing will sign this year. QR should act soon now they are making their commitment to the A350 more formal.

Anyway, there have been 2 further interesting developments for the 777 series, from F.I.

This 777-200ER order has also been long-deferred and it remains unclear whether Garuda still intends to take the jets.

That was part of the statement when GA announced their 787 order. Just as we saw last year with AA's deferrals we may well see another cancellation this year. To me it appears GA may transfer their deposits for the 6 772ERs to the 787s they'll take. More clarity is needed though.

The other is EL AL, They have formally issued an RFP for 2 772ER or 2 A340s with a decision due by year end. It is most likely they'll lease them so not sure of availabilty.

As for the 4 "UFO" booked last week, any chance they could be the AF options on the 4 772F they have?

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:34 am

PanAm_DC10,

I would also like to thank you for keeping this thread going. I have always counted the 777 as my favorite commercial aircraft (guess it helps having a few personal connections to it, doesn't it?  Wink ), and I keep track of it's development fairly closely.

To respond to some of your points:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
I assume that they'll order 10 x 773ER, 6 x 772LR & 4 x 772F.

I will be very curious as to the exact break-down of this order. I think you're close here, but I honestly think a few more Freighters will be involved.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Mr McNerney recently alluding to further orders we may well see over 100 commitments for the series this year, however, can Boeing match the 2000 sales figure?

Will depend on how many commitments can be finalized before Jan. 1. Based on the orders already announced, and the orders that I believe will be announced over the next three months, I don't think the problem will be numbers, but timing. Just between QF and EK, 777 orders/commitments will push well past 2000. But will all these be firmed up by year-end?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
we figured out whom 2 UFO 772s were most likely for

And those are. . . . ?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
we found out that AZ were interested in more frames.

But unfortunately don't have the money for them at the moment.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
I would perhaps go with Raggi's suggestion for this latest UFO for 4 777s; Biman Bangladesh.

My initial thinking was along the same lines. With the strike going on, however, my sources of information are a little tied up. . .  banghead 

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
I think Qatar may also firm up their order no later than at the Dubai Air Show

Should be sooner. I actually expect it, based on tidbits of info, to be finalized in the next 2-3 weeks.

Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
Hopefully Qantas will announce an order for 777s before Christmas

Whichever way Qantas goes, the announcement is expected by mid-November. We'll see if that gets delayed or not, but that is the current timing.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 2):
As for the 4 "UFO" booked last week, any chance they could be the AF options on the 4 772F they have?

Doubtful, as AF have 3, not 4 options on these birds.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q2/nr_050524g.html


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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:48 am

Isn't EY also expected to announce 772LR/772F commitment shortly? They were pretty upbeat on it when the 772LR visited the Gulf region a couple of months ago.
Reuters is today reporting that EL AL will be purchasing 2 772ER/A342 within 3 months. I'm not sure how accurate the A342 is. You would expect 343 to be more likely.
I would fully expect QF to go for the 777, and the more I hear, the more likely I think they will go for a 772LR/773ER combo.
SQ will order 772LR to replace their 345s.
CX could go either way, but I believe the 773ER is favourite there.
EK is the tricky one. Was expecting a large A359/772LR/772F/773ER order at DXB, but the 787-9 stretch proposal may alter that. My thinking was that the 359 order would allow EK to cancel the 346 order, allowing EK to standardise on a 359/777/380 fleet. If Boeing could convince EK to go with the 787-9 stretch, then it may be harder for EK to cancel the 346 order. Consequently, a large 777 order would be far less likely.
No doubt there are some more 777/340 competitions going on that are not publicly known.
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:22 pm

Hi Hamlet69

Thank you for your response. If I may, I shall respond in kind sir.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
I don't think the problem will be numbers, but timing. Just between QF and EK, 777 orders/commitments will push well past 2000. But will all these be firmed up by year-end?

I tend to agree. Despite 9W not being listed with their 10 Boeing will have sold a net of 44 which is their best since 2000. Both Airbus and Boeing executives (Mr Leahy & Mr Bell) are talking of 2005 being a "peak" in orders so I expect some will be carried over to 2006 before being "firmed"

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
And those are. . . . ?

My poor grammar as I posted from a lounge prior to boarding, you guessed it, a B777! I should have stated I learned whom 2 of ILFC's 772s are for. Apologies for the error.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
Doubtful, as AF have 3, not 4 options on these birds.

But they may well be freighters as per the link below;

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/241708_freighter22.html

Which leads to an answer for the following

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
Quoting The777Man (Reply 1):
I would perhaps go with Raggi's suggestion for this latest UFO for 4 777s; Biman Bangladesh.

My initial thinking was along the same lines. With the strike going on, however, my sources of information are a little tied up. . .



Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 3):
guess it helps having a few personal connections to it, doesn't it?

Perhaps that was why your information was a little tied up  Wink

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:23 pm

With the update to the Boeing Orders and Deliveries website for the week ending 09/20/2005, the owner of four of the 10 UFO 777s has been identified as the "Avion Group".

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:33 pm

Hi PanAm_DC10!

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Air India: 5 x 772LR & 10 x 773ER

The AI Webpage lists:

~ 8 Boeing 777-200LR

~ 15 Boeing 777-300ER


These numbers do not match with yours, but maybe the difference are on optional basis. Do you have a clue about this?

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

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Quoting N60659 (Reply 6):
With the update to the Boeing Orders and Deliveries website for the week ending 09/20/2005, the owner of four of the 10 UFO 777s has been identified as the "Avion Group".

These 4 orders are for the 777F. Aircraft to be operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/241708_freighter22.html

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 7):
The AI Webpage lists:
~ 8 Boeing 777-200LR
~ 15 Boeing 777-300ER
These numbers do not match with yours, but maybe the difference are on optional basis. Do you have a clue about this?

The actual order is as follows:

777-200LR - 5 firm + 3 options (total 8)
777-300ER - 10 firm + 5 options (total 15).

Here is the source:
http://www.boeing.com/news/breakingnews/2005/050426a.html

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:30 pm

Hi Mr N. as N60659 kindly pointed out for me I do not tally options. Just what the carrier will commit to on a firm basis. So your initial assumption of my numbers was correct sir. I saw a report that AI should soon be cleared to sign for these shortly.

Quoting N60659 (Reply 8):
These 4 orders are for the 777F. Aircraft to be operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic

That's a good order and it's pleasing to see another Launch customer for the 772F, the more so after AC. It will be interesting to see whom they will place them with.

To add to news on KLM This thread by Kappel seems to allude to further purchases by the carrier. Perhaps more than their 15th & 16th 772ER too.

Still not sure why 9W isn't listed on Boeing's site despite their confirmation via their filing in India.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:02 pm

Hi!

With Austrian's board agreed to order another 777, the one unidentified 772ER with GE enignes will be for Austrian?
Just a little thought of me  Wink

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 10):
With Austrian's board agreed to order another 777, the one unidentified 772ER with GE enignes will be for Austrian?
Just a little thought of me

I'm thinking you may be right.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

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Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 11):
Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 10):
With Austrian's board agreed to order another 777, the one unidentified 772ER with GE enignes will be for Austrian?
Just a little thought of me

I'm thinking you may be right.

That'll be the 772ER booked on August 11th. It may be the case, though I'm not quite too sure given the wording of the Austrian Airlines statement.

In its meeting today, the Supervisory Board of Austrian Airlines AG approved the application to purchase a Boeing B777-200ER long-range jet as the first replacement for the sale of two Airbus A340-200 aircraft.

If they only approved it last week, they couldn't have ordered it in August, right? The statement seems to approve the airline to negotiate and place an order for a new frame. Could just be all in the wording though.

Also, today EL AL have confirmed an order for 2 777-200ER. The Ex-Im Bank is involved in the financing of this order in which case it may take a little while before we see it appear on Boeing's order site.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:09 am

Hey PanAm,

perhaps they did a little bit of forecasting at Austrian and have ordered it already in August to have a good timed delivery slot available for them.

Here an updated 2005 777-orderlist:

  • All Nippon (GE): 4x 773ER
  • Air France (GE): 4x 773ER
  • Air France (GE): 5x 77F
  • ILFC (GE): 2x 772ER
  • ILFC (GE): 6x 773ER
  • Unidentified (GE): 4x 773ER
  • TAAG (?): 2x 772ER
  • Continental (GE): 2x 772ER
  • Unidentified (GE): 1x 772ER
  • Avion Group (GE): 4x 77F
  • EL AL (RR): 2x 772ER


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Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:32 am

Am I right in thinking that the 777 has got a second lease of life over the last 12/18 months? Is this a direct result of the 787 or is that coincidental?

I have flown a few times transatlantic on UAs 772 and have always found it to be an excellent aircraft to fly in.

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Quoting SteveBerch (Reply 14):
Am I right in thinking that the 777 has got a second lease of life over the last 12/18 months? Is this a direct result of the 787 or is that coincidental?


I think to some extent it is because the airlines that have 777s are expanding and ordering currently whereas over a year ago it was primarily the airlines that had already been operating A340s (or issues with ETOPs) that were expanding and ordering aircraft.

But the other reason is that since then the 773ER has come into service, and everyone has realized that Boeing has a superb aircraft family in the 777LR, whose fuel efficiency will help deal with high fuel prices, and that is seductive even to A340 operators.
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:31 am

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 10):
With Austrian's board agreed to order another 777, the one unidentified 772ER with GE enignes will be for Austrian?

Unlikely. As PanAm_DC10 stated, the Austrian board only just approved the purchase. Therefore, there would not have been the legal steps in place in order for Boeing to confirm the order in August and book it.

Is it possible? I guess, if the airline was able to make a down payment for the aircraft without board approval. But like I said, unlikely.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 12):
Also, today EL AL have confirmed an order for 2 777-200ER. The Ex-Im Bank is involved in the financing of this order in which case it may take a little while before we see it appear on Boeing's order site.

We will probably not see this order listed until sometime in mid- to late-December.

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 13):
TAAG (?): 2x 772ER

TAAG has selected the GE 90 for their aircraft. Unfortunately, I'm not positive which specific model.


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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:45 am

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 4):
Isn't EY also expected to announce 772LR/772F commitment shortly?

Sorry. Don't know who EY is...mis-type? Hover feature says Mayan World of Guatemala...and I know that isn't what you meant....
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:26 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 17):
Sorry. Don't know who EY is...mis-type? Hover feature says Mayan World of Guatemala...and I know that isn't what you meant....

EY is Etihad. They said they were negotiating with Boeing for a 77F purchase around the time the 772LR visited the Gulf States.
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Jet Airways: 10 x 773ER

This is firm today based on Boeing's press release and is being discussed in this thread:
Boeing Confirms 10x773 For Jet (by Cloudyapple Oct 4 2005 in Civil Aviation)

The weekly Orders webpage update on Thursday (10/6/2005) hopefully will capture this order.

The LoI publicised at the Paris airshow this year called for 10 firm + 10 options. The press release makes no mention of the options. Does anyone have any information on whether these are included with this firm order?

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:24 pm

JMO-777 Thanks for the updated list. However, to keep the numbers in line with what Boeing has booked we need to include UA's cancellation of 1 772ER and as Hamlet69 pointed out even though EL AL have announced their order it probably won't appear on the Boeing site for some time.

Quoting N60659 (Reply 19):
The weekly Orders webpage update on Thursday (10/6/2005) hopefully will capture this order.

Hi N60659 It's good to have Boeing confirm the order and as 9W have also formally announced it we should see it this week.

Quoting N60659 (Reply 19):
The LoI publicised at the Paris airshow this year called for 10 firm + 10 options. The press release makes no mention of the options. Does anyone have any information on whether these are included with this firm order?

Yes. Though Boeing did not mention the options, Jet have. In their formal Filing with the Mumbai Stock Exchange dated Sept 12th. It specifically stated the Company has an option to buy an additional 10 Boeing 777 Series. They do not specify a model though.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:33 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 20):
Yes. Though Boeing did not mention the options, Jet have. In their formal Filing with the Mumbai Stock Exchange dated Sept 12th. It specifically stated the Company has an option to buy an additional 10 Boeing 777 Series. They do not specify a model though.

Thanks PanAm_DC10 for your insight into this order. Now, wouldn't it be great if we could just get an idea of what models are mentioned in the list of options, specifically if the 772LR is part of that mix?

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Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:48 am

EL AL has firmed up with the 777 frames.

Can't wait to hear about the other 787 orders!
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Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 22):
Can't wait to hear about the other 787 orders!

Word from the Yahoo Orders Group website is that Boeing will be announcing 6 new 787 customers very soon. No details as to when, who or how many but with Airbus due to launch the A350 soon I wouldn't put it past Boeing to steal some A350 thunder by announcing these orders tomorrow.

Does anyone have any inside scuttlebutt as to who they may be and how many?
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Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:04 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
I wouldn't put it past Boeing...

I would...they aren't going to break their company policy of letting the customer decide when to announce an order just to steal thunder. That isn't to say some airlines wouldn't want to announce to do the same. Would be interesting if EK announced a 50/50 order for 789s tomorrow, eh?
 
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Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 22):
EL AL has firmed up with the 777 frames.

Does anyone want to venture a guess when we'll see the planned OS 777ER purchase confirmed?
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

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Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 25):
Does anyone want to venture a guess when we'll see the planned OS 777ER purchase confirmed?

I would say today sir

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SEATTLE, 6. October 2005 - Austrian airlines has one Sales contract for a Boeing 777-200ER signed. The airline has thereby a crucial Step for the simplification of the enterprise and the reduction of maintenance costs their Long-distance fleet


That is the best of my translation from a Boeing press release in German. It does not state whether the order was previously booked as Unidentified and on the books. But my language skills could well have missed that! Guess we'll know by the end of the day!

N60659 No worries, I managed to find the full exact text of the 9W filing. Read into it what you will as it is very ambiguous. It could mean 773ER or a mix of what they start the Filing with. IMHO exact breakdown on options is still anyones guess

With reference to earlier announcement regarding proposed purchase of ten Boeing 777-200LR/200ER/300ER series aircraft (and 10 options) from The Boeing Company, USA, Jet Airways India Ltd has informed BSE that the Company has executed a Purchase Agreement with The Boeing Company, USA, for ten Boeing 777-300ER series aircraft (and 10 options) with deliveries commencing from March 2007 onwards.

For link to said filing click here

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:58 am

Ok, here we go with another update!

* All Nippon (GE): 4x 773ER
* Air France (GE): 4x 773ER
* Air France (GE): 5x 77F
* ILFC (GE): 2x 772ER
* ILFC (GE): 6x 773ER
* Unidentified (GE): 4x 773ER
* TAAG (GE): 2x 772ER
* Continental (GE): 2x 772ER
* Unidentified (GE): 1x 772ER
* Avion Group (GE): 4x 77F
* Jet Airways (GE): 10x 773ER
* Austrian (GE): 1x 772ER
cancelled: 1 outstanding 777 for UA

waiting for official confirmation on Boeing's Orderpage:
* EL AL (RR): 2x 772ER
* Qatar (GE): mix of Longer-Range-777s
* Air India (GE): mix of Longer-Range-777s



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Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:08 am

Wow...GE looks to be having a banner year too!
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Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 26):
I would say today sir

Thank you sir! For both the excellent post and terrific translation!

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 28):
Wow...GE looks to be having a banner year too!

Looks like a banner year for both Boeing and GE. Congratulations to all, and especially Austrian for "coming to the dark side" of the pond for your fleet renewal.  devil 

Seriously, good to see the T7 in OS c/s. Pretty birds!
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:03 pm

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 27):
That's better PanAm_DC10?

Most definately JMO-777, Thank you. Now let's live by my signature and see if we can improve a little on what Boeing's customers have been talking about  

Quoting JMO-777 (Reply 27):
waiting for official confirmation on Boeing's Orderpage:
* EL AL (RR): 2x 772ER
* Qatar (GE): mix of Longer-Range-777s
* Air India (GE): mix of Longer-Range-777s

I think we can add a couple more to the mix here by listing it as follows;

Air India (GE): 5 x 772F and 10 x 773ER
Biman (?): 4 x 772ER
EL AL (RR): 2 x 772ER
EVA (GE): 10 x 772F
Qatar (GE): 20 (Minimum) mix of 772F, 772LR & 773ER (refer to first post)

So I would list a total of 51 announced customer orders still pending even though Boeing have not acknowledged all of them. Hamlet69 correct me if wrong!

Three other interesting points to note which haven't really been raised yet but are well worth noting.

1: Air Canada seems to be back in motion. If the Pilot issue can be resolved we may see them again announce a significant 777 series order. Perhaps another 18 pending frames though I'm not sure it would be the same numbers as previously announced but Boeing have confirmed they've been in constant dialogue with AC since the Pilot vote so we'll watch this space.

2: Garuda have announced their commitment to the 787. I've seen they'll lease them and no news has been forthcoming on the status of their deferred order for 6 x 772ER. If they use those deposits for their 737 & 787 commitment we may see another cancellation or deferral for their 6 777s. I'd appreciate if anyone has heard what they'll do with this commitment.

3: My wildcard call. AirNZ will order either the 772LR or 773ER at year end.

Then there are outstanding RFPs at SQ, QF, EY and EK. If Boeing can secure what they've got plus AC then they're at 114. Just one of these commitments and Etihad could see them beat their year 2000 total orders for the series. Even if GA cancel.

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 29):
Thank you sir! For both the excellent post and terrific translation!

You're most welcome sir, though let's be honest, the translation was woefull! This OS 777 will be used for services to North America and Asia so every chance you'll see it. I do like your "Roll Seven's" Photo gallery too 

Finally, to the wayward souls who want to know who the 6 787 customers are I thank you for the input but the title of this thread is Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II) Now what part of that do you not understand? I respectfully ask that you keep this to 777 orders and start a seperate thread to seek your answer. Unless the 787 order impacts a 777 order such as the case with GA. Cheers.

Thanks for all the responses thus far, very much appreciated.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:27 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 30):
3: My wildcard call. AirNZ will order either the 772LR or 773ER at year end.
Not a wildcard at all. Maybe before the end of the month!!!

Then there are outstanding RFPs at SQ, QF, EY and EK. If Boeing can secure what they've got plus AC then they're at 114. Just one of these commitments and Etihad could see them beat their year 2000 total orders for the series. Even if GA cancel.

They'll get orders at SQ(772LR), QF(not sure what mix of 772LR/773ER), EK(773ER,772LR,77F) . Don't know about EY,who announced an interest in the 772LR. There is a big outstanding RFP at CX, which I believe is for 20+ 773ER/346. This is the one most likely to go to Airbus, but I still think Boeing can win here as well. However, all of the above would likely not get to the confirmed order stage by end of 2005 and most would drag onto 2006.
 
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Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:01 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 30):
Hamlet69 correct me if wrong!

That's what I have as well.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 30):
If they use those deposits for their 737 & 787 commitment we may see another cancellation or deferral for their 6 777s.

Though I have not been told specifically one way or another, IMO, the 738/787 commitment will replace the current 73G/777 order now on the books. When this will happen is anyone's guess, but probably not before end-'05.

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 30):
Then there are outstanding RFPs at SQ, QF, EY and EK.

Don't forget CX, EI and MH as well, just off the top of my head.

From all indications, QF is strongly favoring the 777 - the number and quantity are the only question marks. SQ finally appears ready to order the 772LR, after a long wait, but I'm not sure they will firm this year or next. Early this year, EK was rumored to be close to a large 777 purchase (I was told 27 frames at the time, but that was nearly 6 months ago). However, I think we can still expect a large announcement next month at Dubai. Dubai will probably also be where EY announce their follow-up 777 order. Rumor was -200LR's and -200F's, but I could see -300ER's either added on, or replacing the -200LR's. Numbers, however, have never been confirmed.

EI is more interested in the 787/A350, however, a 'stop-gap' of 777/A330 are expected to meet capacity demands. MH is probably still a little while off, but the possibility still exists of a decision, though probably not an order this year. And of course, there is CX. This one seems to be completely open.

What gets firmed up or not in 2005 is a good question. But IMO, the chances of Boeing breaking the 2000 777 record are VERY good.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 31):
There is a big outstanding RFP at CX, which I believe is for 20+ 773ER/346. This is the one most likely to go to Airbus, but I still think Boeing can win here as well.

A340 orders have been falling steadily for 3 years now, and that was before the A350 and B787. With the price of fuel and the B777-300ER, I think it would be highly unlikely for CX to place further orders for the A340-600. Am I missing something?
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:01 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 30):
3: My wildcard call. AirNZ will order either the 772LR or 773ER at year end.

Seems this call is not so wild after all if we refer to this thread which does appear to support some options conversions soon.

Additionally, the AI order seems to be passing through the government approval process with the Public Investment Board today approving the order. That should just leave Cabinet approval now and Civil Aviation Secretary Ajay Prasad said the Government is finalising pricing with Boeing and that they will guarantee the purchase.

Being Thursday it will be interesting to see if Boeing update their site with any further orders or at least identify the UFO 773ERs for us!

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:11 pm

Do you guys remember a thread about a year ago about UPS being interested in the then theoretic 772F? I wonder if this will be revived now that it has been formally launched. Also, any chance of a 773F?
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:52 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 35):
Do you guys remember a thread about a year ago about UPS being interested in the then theoretic 772F? I wonder if this will be revived now that it has been formally launched. Also, any chance of a 773F?

Luisca UPS were spoken of as a launch customer for the 777F but took most by surprise by ordering 8 744F. This thread should explain a little more into whay they ordered that model and this thread was how UPS were reported to be considered as a launch customer for the model. As for a 773F, I doubt we'll see one at this stage.

It's gone a little quiet on 777 orders though today we've found out that QF are expected to announce their decision on December 7 so the wait goes on. Another forum has a rumour that in addition to their 15th & 16th 772ER KLM may aquire another 2 via ILFC.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 32):
What gets firmed up or not in 2005 is a good question. But IMO, the chances of Boeing breaking the 2000 777 record are VERY good.

It is a question of what actually get's signed though I do tend to agree. The next 2 months will be very interesting and I await the Dubai Airshow with interest given that EK, QR & EY could all announce commitments. If anything I feel that show could be very good for the 772F model and 773ER if QR finalise their intention to order.

Still no word on SQ or CX though we may hear from AirNZ shortly.

Are there any further updates to outstanding RFPs or campaigns? Any input would be appreciated.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:04 pm

Seem's QFA001 was right in the previous thread and that Philippines Airlines are indeed looking to acquire either A340's or B777s

Oct. 21 (Bloomberg) -- Philippine Airlines Inc., the Southeast Asian nation's biggest carrier, said it plans to acquire six new wide-body airplanes by 2009 and will choose either Airbus SAS A340s or Boeing Co. 777s. The airline will decide on the model by early next year, President Jaime Bautista said in an interview today.

Given that PAL have 4 outstanding 744 PAX models on order perhaps the deposits will be used to acquire 777s.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:06 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 35):
Also, any chance of a 773F?

A B773F would weigh more and carry less by weight (which is what generally counts) than the B777F. It would cost more to build and cost more to operate. No one would buy one (except perhaps for a government owned airline), so Boeing will not offer one.
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:57 am

Flight International is reporting today that ANA will order 4 additional 773ers.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting Ual747-600 (Reply 39):
Flight International is reporting today that ANA will order 4 additional 773ers.

If this is the same as the other thread you posted elsewhere, I suggest you look at the date on that article. It's from early February, when ANA did order 4 777-300ERs.


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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:13 am

For update:

2 more 787 for NZ

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:44 pm

As this thread states it appears AC have found a resolution to their arbitration process with their Pilots. If that's the case I guess we can expect to see their order for 18 added to the 2005 sales. That would be a good boost for the 772LR & 772F models in particular. Given that AC had reportedly lost some 2006 deilvery slots for the 777 series it will be interesting to see whether the deal they finalise will be for the same number of 777s

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:49 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
KLM - As stated, they are negotiating for their 15th & 16th 772ERs

What about the numbers 11, 12, 13 and 14?
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:02 pm

Quoting Vunz (Reply 43):
What about the numbers 11, 12, 13 and 14?

These are already ordered. KLM has 6 firm orders from Boeing and 8 announced via lease from ILFC so they would be part of those orders. KLMs last direct order from Boeing was for 2 772ER in December 2004.

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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:03 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 44):
These are already ordered. KLM has 6 firm orders from Boeing and 8 announced via lease from ILFC so they would be part of those orders. KLMs last direct order from Boeing was for 2 772ER in December 2004.

Thanks! Any ideas when those will be delivered?
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:46 pm

It seems everyone, except LY, is ordering GE engines.
Are they that more superior, or is it because of the commonality with 773?
 
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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 46):
It seems everyone, except LY, is ordering GE engines.
Are they that more superior, or is it because of the commonality with 773?

If you look at Boeing's website for 777 orders for 2005, you will see there have been 46 total orders for various versions. Of these:

  • 38 orders are for the 773ER, and the 772F for which the GE powerplants are the only ones available (exclusivity agreements).
  • 2 are for CO which already operate 772ERs with GE90s.
  • 1 is for OS, an add-on to the 3 GE90-powered 772ERs acquired from NG.
  • ILFC and TAAG account for 4 and an engine choice has not been finalized.
  • That leaves one final airframe that is classified as a UFO but powered by GE. It has been long rumoured on a.net (and other forums) that this is destined for either AF or KL which fly fleets of GE powered 772ERs.


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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:24 am

Quoting N60659 (Reply 47):
ILFC and TAAG account for 4 and an engine choice has not been finalized.

TAAG will be flying GE90's.


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RE: Boeing 777 Orders For 2005 (Vol II)

Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:22 am

Unconfirmed rumors in Ethiopia is that ET will receive two 777's beginign Feb '06. Don't know where it's coming from but it will be used to start ADD-ACC-JFK/EWR. Could the 2 ILFC planes be going to ET? Or were else could this planes come from. My source is pretty reliable.

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