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The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:13 am

With the merger underway, it looks like all of the USA-Europe routes on the new US Airways will be ex PHL. Any chance for PHX-LGW(LHR) or FRA on the new carrier?

Also,
Will the A350 orders allow PHX-NRT?
Will there be growth ex PHL to compete with CO and DL growing their transatlantic ops?
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting N77014 (Thread starter):
Will the A350 orders allow PHX-NRT?

If they actually do get the A350s, sure it will. That doesn't mean they will actually fly the route
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:29 am

Is there demand for a PHX to London route? I know BA flies it out of PHX right now, and their codeshare with HP will end (or has ended). But I think BA does well as there are many connecting opportunities for it in LHR. I'm not sure HP/US would have the same connecting opportunities out of PHX. I would assume they would have more connecting opportunities out of PHL. A better possibility would be a one stop flight to London from PHX via PHL.
I think the east coast hubs should be used for European flights and connections, while PHX and LAS would do better off with Asian/Hawaiian/Mexican flights and connections.
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:37 am

For Phoenix to grow and prosper, viable nonstop service to major business centers need to be in place. My hometown of SAN loses millions of potential customers because the longhauls to Europe and Asia are concentrated ex LAX.
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:49 am

Frankly in the short-term after the merger is complete I do not expect there to be much int'l growth (beyond Canada, Mexico, Central America) from PHX. Any transatlantic expansion would be from PHL first. Possibly from CLT after that.

Phoenix does have an advantage that many west coast cities are served from there, that may not see service to PHL or CLT. But I think any longhaul out of PHX will be quite a ways down the road.
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:56 am

Virgin Atlantic just announced a 6th weekly flight from LAS to LGW, up from 3 flights/wk a few years ago. I dont expect the same for PHX, simplly because I dont think its that high traffic of a route. (I say that, because when I'm out on The Strip in LAS, I frequently meet people from England, and Euorope in general).
 
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:56 am

I would look to see flights in the near term operating PHX-PHL-LGW and/or PHX-PHL-FRA if the new US decides that 1-stop t/a flights are viable. Would be similar to the UA operates LAX-IAD-AMS-IAD-LAX
 
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:07 am

This could be totally inacurate, but I heard a rumor that Qantas was thinking of coming to phx. Is that true at all. Any other rumors of new airlines in phx?
 
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 3):
My hometown of SAN loses millions of potential customers because the longhauls to Europe and Asia are concentrated ex LAX.

Isn't that the truth... I think the 787 will change everything though. It'll be a catalyst for airports such as SAN or PHX to regain trans-atlantic/pacific flights... (At least thats what I hope!)
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:03 am

Quoting Phxplanes (Reply 7):
This could be totally inacurate, but I heard a rumor that Qantas was thinking of coming to phx. Is that true at all. Any other rumors of new airlines in phx?

Qantas in Phoenix? Not any time soon. However, based on current population trends, a route might be viable in 5-7 years.
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:33 pm

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 2):
Is there demand for a PHX to London route?

Sort of , BA only flies Once a day 6 days a week (not on Wednesdays , not sure why) with a 744. Which could suggest that it isn't popular enough. However , the fact that the route was upgraded from a 772 to a 744 and moved from LGW to LHR could suggest that the market is getting stronger.

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 2):
know BA flies it out of PHX right now, and their codeshare with HP will end (or has ended).

It ended a while ago , I think.

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 9):
Qantas in Phoenix? Not any time soon.

Perhaps they could start an extension on their LAX routes ( like they do to JFK). It would save them having to pay to park their 744's at LAX all day doing nothing and could show if the market is strong enough.
It could also open up a connections market in which BA or QF passengers can fly BA LHR-PHX and then carry on to SYD or MEL with QF via LAX.
Or QF could start a partner ship with an American airline so their passengers can connect to other American cities such as LAS , MIA ORD SFO , SEA etc.
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Quoting SirOmega (Reply 5):
(I say that, because when I'm out on The Strip in LAS, I frequently meet people from England, and Europe in general).

Hey, I was there only what , 4 Weeks ago! And I'm English. (although I flew BA LHR-LAX and then LAX-LAS return)

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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:48 pm

Quoting N77014 (Thread starter):
Will the A350 orders allow PHX-NRT?

. . You really think you have a market for NRT? LOL - -
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RE: The Future Of PHX Int'l...

Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:50 am

Technically, not meaning to nitpick, but since it is an acronym, all letters are to be capitalized.
As in; QANTAS.
Like BOAC. Like UTA. Like TACA. Like BBC. Like TWA. Like RCA.

Now, back to the topic.....

For US to serve London from Phoenix, what does the route generate beyond O&D? Is Phoenix a primary destination of the British? It certainly doesn't have the bargain appeal of Mediterranean and some Caribbean resorts.

Currently, British Airways serves the route 5 times a week with a 744, but can rely on the whole network east of LHR to feed the flight.

But, a US flight would dead-end there, thusly requiring feed from the U.S. side of things. So. With logical connections in Phoenix existing of primarily SoCal destinations, (plus maybe ABQ, ELP, TUS) I am not so sure US could get passengers off existing nonstops out of LAX, for a connection in PHX.

SFO and Northern California? (Since I am there....) It would be a hard sell to get people off of VS, BA, and UA nonstops. The only way would be on price, which begs the question; does the route have that much importance for it to be filled with low-fares?

Las Vegas provides the only logical destination as it comes with built-in O&D.

Phoenix to London is a long-shot, a very long shot.
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