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British Airways' Most Profitable Overseas Routes?

Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:24 am

Outside of Europe. Of course only the managers inside the company have the data but I would think the line-up of their top 5 biggest earners would look something like this:

1. New York - Seven 747s per day alone, 'nuff said I think.
2. Los Angeles.
3. Hong Kong - One of their two Asian hubs & very very strong cargo performer.
4. Singapore - The other being Changi for onward flights to Australia.
5. Sydney.

Anyone care to speculate on 6-10?

BA are really a fantastic airline. They are run by very right-minded people.

Probably the non-US major that attracts the most premium traffic thanks to their comfort, quality of products & fantastic connections to the world's key business centers.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:25 am

Lagos, Abuja And Accra are their most profitable routes in believe
Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:37 am

Quoting Hkg82 (Thread starter):
1. New York - Seven 747s per day alone

They have 5 747's and 2 777's to JFK and 3 777's to EWR daily.
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:40 am

LHR-JNB must be high up there. 2 full 744s daily. Competition is strong on the route but with slot restrictions at LHR keeping BA & SA happy their profits are likely to be maintained.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:41 am

You have forgotten about Houston. This route is among the top five as has been discussed in other topics. The premium traffic out of IAH is very high. With large energy companies buying blocks of seats for their use. That is why they added the IAH-ORD-LHR service because of all the people trying to go to Lagos and other destinations in Africa. Don't believe me query IAH or Houston and you will find the information I am talking about.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 2):
They have 5 747's and 2 777's to JFK and 3 777's to EWR daily.

.....and not forgetting a daily 763 from MAN to JFK, which is reputed to make a lot of money for them (how much, I don't know)
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:02 am

I think the British Airways flights to African cities are very profitable. Their only competition is South African Airways, Ethiopian and Kenya Airways; yet they fly to many African cities not served directly from London by any of above mentioned airlines. Lagos, Nigeria must be one of their most profitable routes -- I know it is for Virgin Atlantic.

Of course, the frequency is not as high as across the Atlantic, but for the individual flights to African cities, I suspect the profit margins are quite high.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting B777200 (Reply 6):
I think the British Airways flights to African cities are very profitable

As I posted above, I would generally agree with you. However thinking about it further, in the case of southern Africa in particular, profit margins would decrease when taking into account the fact that a/c end up sitting in Africa all day - think of the cost for BA having 2 744s sitting idle for 10 hours or so a day. This wouldn't be the case on transatlantics.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 7):
However thinking about it further, in the case of southern Africa in particular, profit margins would decrease when taking into account the fact that a/c end up sitting in Africa all day - think of the cost for BA having 2 744s sitting idle for 10 hours or so a day. This wouldn't be the case on transatlantics.

Very true. I did not think about all the costs associated with keeping an aircraft on the ground. However, the turnaround time for British Airways flights to Lusaka, Zambia are only 2 and half hours, served with a Boeing 767. This is a minor case in point, and your argument remains valid for most other African cities serviced by British Airways.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 5):
and not forgetting a daily 763 from MAN to JFK, which is reputed to make a lot of money for them (how much, I don't know)

Apparently it is in the region of £1 - 1.5 million a year, pure profit. This is according to White Hatter (a fellow a.netter). BA apparently told Manchester Evening News this a few years ago.
So it does pretty well!
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:54 am

what about there last SouthAmerica route?

LHR-GRU-GIG(EZE)?

I think this flight very profitable...

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:12 am

I would assume that yields on the LHR-LAD flights must be quite impressive thanks to very limited supply and steadily growing demand by the oil industry.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:24 am

Is Sydney really #5

I think I read in their 2004 Annual report they actually loose about £18m a year on the Austrakia services
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting ANstar (Reply 12):
Is Sydney really #5

I think I read in their 2004 Annual report they actually loose about £18m a year on the Austrakia services

I know the costs for running LON-Oz are high, but I doubt they loose money on the route. With the JSA with QF, they share the costs and proft 50-50, so I would think they make money on the route.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
what about there last SouthAmerica route?

LHR-GRU-GIG(EZE)?

I think this flight very profitable...

Indeed, very high F and J loads year round.
JNB is also very profitable.

While I am no expert I am aware that JNB and GRU are very ££££. I'd be surprised if LAX isn't one of the top ones since I've seen tickets in First for LHR-LAX-LHR for more than £10,000 and this way a few years ago!
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:21 am

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 14):
While I am no expert I am aware that JNB and GRU are very ££££

They have been for a long time. I don't know much about GRU but with JNB competition is increasing with more carriers getting involved, albeit not non-stop. I've started to see returns from as little as about £310 lately - great news.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:23 am

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 11):
I would assume that yields on the LHR-LAD flights must be quite impressive thanks to very limited supply and steadily growing demand by the oil industry.

Indeed.LAD is AF's highest yielding route(recently upgraded to 773 from 772).The cargo hold also does very well for BA apparently.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:31 am

How about the routes to India? Do they belong in such list?
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:36 am

Does anyone know how the LGW-MCO route performs for BA ?

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:54 am

Quoting TAP340 (Reply 17):
How about the routes to India? Do they belong in such list?

I would think so. However, by next year, I doubt that they will be the $$$ they used to be. Pre 2000, when only BA and AI served India from LON, BA would sell it cheapest fares from £600! Now, with all the competition, fares start from £380!
But even so, BA flights to BOM/DEL regularly go full in F anc C, not to mention Y! Apparently they have a very loyal customer base in India! Also, compared to AF/KL/LH, BA doesn't rely that much on connecting traffic!
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:52 am

Quoting Hkg82 (Thread starter):
1. New York - Seven 747s per day alone, 'nuff said I think.
2. Los Angeles.
3. Hong Kong - One of their two Asian hubs & very very strong cargo performer.
4. Singapore - The other being Changi for onward flights to Australia.
5. Sydney.

Hong Kong is a far stronger destination than Singapore. Hong Kong is served 7x daily from heathrow (3xBAW 1xVIR 3xCPA) soon to be 8x while singapore is 8x (4xBAW/QFA 4xSIA). But there is A LOT of O&D traffic to hong kong while most singapore pax are onwards to oz. If they can fly direct to oz, singapore will probably go down to 1 a day.

Edit: 7.5 daily to Hong Kong - Forgot 3xQFA/wk so it's 9x soon when CPA go 4x daily and QFA go daily.

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:35 am

HK traffic does include a lot of hub action serving greater China as well -- although you're probably right that those flights are not likely to be exclusively onward passengers, while the Singapore ones are more likely to be going somewhere else.
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:54 am

Anyone know regarding profitability of LHR-ORD or LHR-SFO?

SFO gets yearly 2 747's and ORD gets a 744 and 2 777's..which is quite a bit considering AA, UA and AI have flights too!
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:24 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
SFO gets yearly 2 747's

Wow, they must be shipping 2 plane loads of gold from SFO for the flights to be so infrequent! Big grin
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:28 am

Quoting MarshalN (Reply 23):
Wow, they must be shipping 2 plane loads of gold from SFO for the flights to be so infrequent!  biggrin 

you know what I mean.....2 DAILY flights all year... Wink
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:39 am

In North America the top 5 would look like this:

1. JFK
2. BOS
3. MIA
4. IAD
5. LAX

LAX is a strong performer with a lot of premium traffic however the stage length kills the route to an extent (as it does with a lot of carriers which explains why European traffic from LAX is marginal for such a large metropolitan region).

IAD is a good route, as it is for most European airlines who fly there. Three flights on 4-class 777s with good premium loads and a morning flight to cater to local traffic along with late connecting traffic. However, I think airlines like AF and LH do better.

MIA is one of the strongest performers in the network with consistently good premium traffic though yields could be better (a lot of tickets are reduced and redemption tickets).

BOS is one of BAs best routes because they have excellent name recognition and reputation in Boston. They have several local sales contracts with companies. An excellent O&D traffic base. A very short stage length (BOS is one of the shortest long-haul routes in the network. And at only 7 hours from London only LOS, CAI, ABV, and ACC are shorter in the long-haul network. Healthy premium traffic buoy the flight during the lean winter months though overall load factors are decent year round.

JFK...well, it's JFK. The premium traffic out of that city is incredible. So it's no surprise that JFK is up there. Everything out of JFK is enormous, traffic (more than double than the next biggest city in terms of pax, BOS). Of course, it helps that BA owns it's own terminal so it can offer services that most airlines cant, including a slew of lounges including a Molton Brown Spa.

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:55 pm

Speculation, speculation...
OK here is my list for the 5 most profitable destinations:

1-London!!  Wink
2-JNB
3-NewYork
4-Hong Kong
5-Sydney

British Airways network is very extensive,so it's not easy.It depends on many factors,like frequencies,airplanes,competition,etc.What about Tokyo,Sao Paulo,Mexico City,Orlando,Toronto,Seattle?Maybe I should call British right now...
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:53 pm

Here is a link to BA's annual report

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_...nualReportandAccounts2004-2005.pdf

On page 38 It gives the rbeakdown of profit for each regional area.

Area 2005 2004

Europe -£26m -£60m
Americas £347m £294m
Africa, Mid East, India £224 £210
Far East/Asutralia -£5m -£39m

So Far East/Australia would inclde:
NRT, HKG, BKK, SIN, SYD, MEL. Therefore I hardly think Sydney would rank as one of their most profitable routes.
(I would think HKG/NRT would be rpift spinners)

Looks like Africa/India/Mid East perform very well!
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:01 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
Anyone know regarding profitability of LHR-ORD or LHR-SFO?

Well , SFO is reasonably high on premium traffic. That is the reason there are 2X daily 744 flights. LAX ( to my knowledge) is not as big a premium traffic route , but Y and Y+ are usually full. In fact when I came back from LAX in the summer , Club (J) only had one lower deck J cabin (instead of 2) but Y and Y+ were full.

I would also think that Mauritius , Barbados are profitable routes , F and J are usually full both ways.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 26):
British Airways network is very extensive

That is very true , This is one of the reasons BA is so profitable , They cover most places on the globe and have an extremely big fleet. This means they can fly to places on Multiple daily frequency and are able to carry more passengers while others can not. Such as this, BA LHR-SFO 2X daily 744 , VS LHR-SFO 1X daily 744.

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:13 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 28):
I would also think that Mauritius , Barbados are profitable routes , F and J are usually full both ways

The J cabons on these routes are also sold at heavily discounted prices. IE a J return to MRU is about £1300 wheras a J return to CPT is about £2800
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:40 pm

Quoting ANstar (Reply 27):
Therefore I hardly think Sydney would rank as one of their most profitable routes

It's been mentioned in several places, BA have occasionally stated that without their QF linkup then that route would struggle. BA execs have even been quoted as saying that under certain circumstances pulling out altogether could be considered, if a route was available for the aircraft to be deployed to which made more net profit.

The problem is that it is a logistics nightmare for a single carrier. Basing crews on the other side of the world, and organising support for aircraft. If BA did not have QF to fall back on (and vice versa) then something as simple as an engine failure at SYD could become a huge problem, requiring plenty of money to be thrown at it.

It might generate good loads, but yeild is another matter. SQ and MH plus the Gulf region startups have driven down prices and driven up expectations with their one stop services. Having commercial contracts with QF helps mitigate some of the exposure effects on the route, but it is by no means a huge moneymaker considering the capital and expenses it requires to run the route.
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:47 pm

Hi there!!
To all of you who think Sydney makes money for BA then think again.!!
Its purely Leisure traffic on that route and makes a Loss!
Lagos is the number 1 closely followed by New york!
Middle East routes also score very well with DXB and AUH/MCT and BAH AND DOH in the top 10!
Indeed these routes are often served by B777 with 17F class seats instead of the normal 14F.
And as LGW based crew I can assure you that few of the Longhaul routes make any profit! With really only IAH and BDA among those with any vast amount of premium traffic to talk about! Forget about BGI these days, thats become the Benidorm of the Caribbean with UK pax and Yields are poor.
The BGI is also full of staff in premium cabins.
Remember as well that India is up there too because BA are expanding on these routes with BLR the latest new route.
Wille Walsh has already said to us that Routes that DONT perform on the Longhaul network will get the AXE!!
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:01 pm

Is IAD really in 4th place? I would have thought 2nd next to JFK. How about LAS? Does BA make a good profit on that route?
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 32):
Is IAD really in 4th place? I would have thought 2nd next to JFK. How about LAS? Does BA make a good profit on that route?

BA don't fly to LAS. VS serve LAS from LGW and BD from MAN
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:13 pm

Many of the most profitable BA routes mentioned above, such as HKG, JFK, SYD, JNB, LOS, BOS, IAD, MIA, DEL, BOM and soon DXB, are all operated by VS. Are these routes just as profitable for VS or do they make more profit on other routes, such MCO or PVG?
 
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:14 pm

Where can you find the average load factors for each cabin on flights to/from North America? The times I've taken BA in Club World and First it has always been full.

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Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:31 pm

Johannesburg has to be up there, maybe they dont earn the most but in terms of the return on the money put in it wouldnt surprise me if it is tops.

Desperately seeking more slots flying very high capacity routes they are milking it. Just try and use executive club miles for a redemption.
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:43 pm

From what I read here, almost all destinations in BA's network seem to be performing super-well. Now which ones do not?
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 28):
Well , SFO is reasonably high on premium traffic. That is the reason there are 2X daily 744 flights. LAX ( to my knowledge) is not as big a premium traffic route , but Y and Y+ are usually full. In fact when I came back from LAX in the summer , Club (J) only had one lower deck J cabin (instead of 2) but Y and Y+ were full.

thanks for the info..but if you go to the international terminal @ SFO, you will see many pakistani/indians/arabs on those flights because there aren't any pakistani/indian/arab carriers which serve SFO...with AI and possibly EK coming to SFO, I wouldn't be surprised to see a drop in pax/yields.......

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given that BA has 2-777's and 1-744 flying to ORD, I wonder how that route is doing...i'm actually quite surprised that BA has 3 flights to ORD, given that its UA's fortress and AA's 2nd fortress....not to mention AI flight to LHR with 5th freedom rights..
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Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:52 pm

Quoting Airevents (Reply 37):
From what I read here, almost all destinations in BA's network seem to be performing super-well. Now which ones do not?

Seems like BA axe any of their poor performing routes. However, not too sure about DFW? Correct me if im wrong
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:00 am

Its Fab for a F or J cabin to be full!! But remember not all those seats are filled with Full Fare paying pax!! SYD is a classic example, many seats are used by pax on ID or AD tkts or on RTW tkts with little revenue.
You can tell when a route is not performing in terms of Premium Traffic when BA takes away the First Class facility and puts a 3 class Aircraft onto the route!
I can give u an example...ATL from LGW!! The yields are so poor from Premium traffic that most days the route is operated by a 3 class A/C and this will become daily from Winter! ie 40J/24W/218Y.....These a/c already operate on all MCO,TPA,KIN AND soon also to be ANU!!
Having worked for BA in pricing and sales, you would be surprised at some routes that although you think make profit, actually dont at all.
Again SFO is another route where premium traffic can be limited hence BA only fly a 38J 747 instead of 70J.!
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:06 am

Houston is definetly one of BA's most profitable routes to North America, it's the only route that has flights from both Gatwick and Heathrow (via a stop). It's the prefered route of Houston oil executives when traveling to the Middle East, Africa and North Sea.
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:21 am

Quoting Bacxboys (Reply 31):
Hi there!!
To all of you who think Sydney makes money for BA then think again.!!
Its purely Leisure traffic on that route and makes a Loss!
Lagos is the number 1 closely followed by New york!
Middle East routes also score very well with DXB and AUH/MCT and BAH AND DOH in the top 10!
Indeed these routes are often served by B777 with 17F class seats instead of the normal 14F.
And as LGW based crew I can assure you that few of the Longhaul routes make any profit! With really only IAH and BDA among those with any vast amount of premium traffic to talk about! Forget about BGI these days, thats become the Benidorm of the Caribbean with UK pax and Yields are poor.
The BGI is also full of staff in premium cabins.
Remember as well that India is up there too because BA are expanding on these routes with BLR the latest new route.
Wille Walsh has already said to us that Routes that DONT perform on the Longhaul network will get the AXE!!

I also heard that Lagos, Nigeria is one of the most profitable routes for Virgin Atlantic. Considering Bacxboys' position (British Airways employee) there is no arguing with what he says regarding the Lagos, Nigeria route. I wonder how much money is made from charging passengers for overweight baggage, or is this really minor income for an Airline?
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:39 am

Quoting B777200 (Reply 42):
I wonder how much money is made from charging passengers for overweight baggage, or is this really minor income for an Airline?

BA have a strict 32 kg limit for all bags and no overweight baggage is accepted. The money comes from excess baggage charges though there isn't that much revenue made on excess baggage charges.

Though it does get so bad that BA have a baggage embargo for the month of December for LOS and ABV flights because the amount of bags usually can't be accomodated on the aircraft and then BA is responsible for the delivery of delayed bags.

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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:43 am

If BA was run by right minded people the staff wouldn't be going on strike and bringing chaos to 10, s of 1000,s annually over trivial things as time cards etc .As for making a profit lets just say they donate make anywhere near what you think they do just cos the plane is full doesn't mean to say its making money, every day a 747 is on the ground that's approx £100,000 in lost revenue, so when they strike you can kiss goodbye to any substantial profits.
 
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:53 am

I always thought the Seattle flight was a nice little gold mine for them as well with pretty much zero competition I heard both loads and yields were high.
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Sun Sep 18, 2005 12:56 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
LHR-GRU-GIG(EZE)?



Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 14):
While I am no expert I am aware that JNB and GRU are very ££££. I'd be surprised if LAX isn't one of the top ones since I've seen tickets in First for LHR-LAX-LHR for more than £10,000 and this way a few years ago!



Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 15):
They have been for a long time. I don't know much about GRU

Guys, i bring some news on that (only GRU-GIG route, i don't know too much about EZE).
Varig is the sole competitor and during the last five days it send a 95% to 100% M11 (including Full F and C classes). UK is probably one of the top 10 countries where Brazil keeps strong immigrant base, and also business, but we keep only 2 daily flights. BA performs very well on GRU-GIG with a lot of First and Biz pax.
In the past i remember some comments about a split: LHR-GRU and LHR-GIG-EZE, but up to now, nothing. Also Virgin has announced their intention to fly GIG non stop from London.
And there's space for more service as many brazilians are using TP and AF (among others and thru their hubs) to London and UK.

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RE: British Airways' Most Profitable Overseas Routes?

Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 46):
In the past i remember some comments about a split: LHR-GRU and LHR-GIG-EZE,

would be great if BA would split the flights.
just a question is it possible or is BA restricted to only 1 daily flight?

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 46):
Varig is the sole competitor and during the last five days it send a 95% to 100% M11 (including Full F and C classes).

how many passengers of the flight had final destination CPH?
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RE: British Airways' Most Profitable Overseas Routes?

Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting Mytravel330 (Reply 44):
If BA was run by right minded people the staff wouldn't be going on strike and bringing chaos to 10, s of 1000,s annually over trivial things as time cards etc .As for making a profit lets just say they donate make anywhere near what you think they do just cos the plane is full doesn't mean to say its making money, every day a 747 is on the ground that's approx £100,000 in lost revenue, so when they strike you can kiss goodbye to any substantial profits.

Yes, the strike will take some of the shine off quarterly profits but I think BA will still post some impressive numbers when the time comes. But the costs of that have run to about $70 million, though some of those costs will be recovered from vendors like GateGourmet who renegged on their contract by not providing BA with the services they pay GG for.

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RE: British Airways' Most Profitable Overseas Routes?

Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:32 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 47):
how many passengers of the flight had final destination CPH?

About 30 to 50. I don't have numbers of pax from LHR to CPH, but as per some trip reports comments, less than 60.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 47):
would be great if BA would split the flights.
just a question is it possible or is BA restricted to only 1 daily flight?

I think BA could run the second flight (i will take a look on civil aviation bilateral, if any). The main problem are the slots at LHR. Probably a possible split in the flight will drive BA to use litlle planes for GRU (777) and GIG-EZE.

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