KarlB737
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ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:45 am

 
quickmover
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:41 am

Surprised FL hasn't jumped into this market.
 
iowaman
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:51 am

Still waiting on CID-ATL....
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:58 am

And I'm still waiting on MFE-ATL  eyebrow 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:11 am

SGF also has SLC service right ?
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 4):
SGF also has SLC service right ?

Not for much longer.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:28 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 2):
Still waiting on CID-ATL....

How much longer until CID has too many flights and not enough pax? G4 recently announced SFB right?
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:42 am

I don't see what the holdup is for MFE.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:54 am

I'm pretty sure MFE would bring some very good loads to ATL.

But unfortunately, AA and CO have dominated MFE again, and always! banghead 

I'd love to see DL to MFE.
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:02 am

Question kind of on topic...maybe.

The other day, like yesterday...I saw an ASA CR7 in BIL. Was this really ASA, or was OO just using it's newly acquired aircraft?
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:23 am

What is MFE? The code scroll-over doesn't work. Same with SGF.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 9):
Was this really ASA, or was OO just using it's newly acquired aircraft?

That was an ASA flight from SLC. Per scope clauses at DL, Skywest was not permitted to operate 70-seaters for them, so DL decided to send ASA and their CR7s to SLC to do just that.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 10):
What is MFE? The code scroll-over doesn't work. Same with SGF.

MFE = McAllen, Texas
SGF = Springfield/Branson, Missouri
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:15 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 2):
Still waiting on CID-ATL....

No Doubt!!

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
How much longer until CID has too many flights and not enough pax? G4 recently announced SFB right?

CID is on track to pass one million passengers this year, I am sure we can handle at least 3 daily ATL flights. We used to have about 8 MD80's/717's to STL per day on TWA, not to mention mainline from UA and NW (now we are down to one mainline NW flight, in addition to G4's M80's to LAS). SFB is only going to be 2x per week. ATL is a major business center and hub, one that is sorely missing from CID when you look around at the airports in the region of similar size who do have ATL service (MLI, DSM, PIA...for example). I know our airport commission has gone to DL to ask for this service.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:20 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
How much longer until CID has too many flights and not enough pax? G4 recently announced SFB right?

How long until you stop complaining you don't have enough service? And you can't really compare CID and CRW.. CID has much higher boardings.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 12):
ATL is a major business center and hub, one that is sorely missing from CID when you look around at the airports in the region of similar size who do have ATL service (MLI, DSM, PIA...for example). I know our airport commission has gone to DL to ask for this service.

Exactly.. I would expect CID to get ATL anyways since MLI, GRB, MSN, and BMI are all getting ATL instead of CVG. Also as I've said before, I think just 2x CRJ to MEM to connect to 2 of the 3 banks would do well. Also on my wish list is a Mesa flight to PHX but that would be unlikely and I don't want to get carried away.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:26 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 13):
How long until you stop complaining you don't have enough service? And you can't really compare CID and CRW.. CID has much higher boardings.

Never....... The catchment area populations are close in size ; despite the boardings.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 12):
CID is on track to pass one million passengers this year, I am sure we can handle at least 3 daily ATL flights. We used to have about 8 MD80's/717's to STL per day on TWA, not to mention mainline from UA and NW (now we are down to one mainline NW flight, in addition to G4's M80's to LAS). SFB is only going to be 2x per week. ATL is a major business center and hub, one that is sorely missing from CID when you look around at the airports in the region of similar size who do have ATL service (MLI, DSM, PIA...for example). I know our airport commission has gone to DL to ask for this service.

Hows CID similar to DSM in size, im not disagreeing with the others, but I thought DSM was much larger.


Calm down Iowaman. It'll be okay.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 13):
How long until you stop complaining you don't have enough service? And you can't really compare CID and CRW.. CID has much higher boardings.



Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):

Never....... The catchment area populations are close in size ; despite the boardings.

Ah yes. The root of the word is CATCH, which means to retain. Therefore, CID has a higher catchment area because it retains and boards more people than does CRW, no?
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:01 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 13):
Also as I've said before, I think just 2x CRJ to MEM to connect to 2 of the 3 banks would do well.

I also have wanted this route for a long time as well. CID pretty much has its bases covered for heading east (ORD, DTW, CVG, MSP, STL) and west (DEN, MSP, DFW, LAS). The one spot we are sorely missing is access to the SE United States. Having either MEM or ATL flights would help out in that regard.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:09 am

Well if ATL gets SGF i dont see SLC having it for much longer
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 17):
Well if ATL gets SGF i dont see SLC having it for much longer

Yes, as I'm sure people would much rather fly SGF-ATL-LAX than SGF-SLC-LAX.  sarcastic 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:26 am

Quoting N908AW (Reply 18):
Yes, as I'm sure people would much rather fly SGF-ATL-LAX than SGF-SLC-LAX.

When Wal-Mart employees want to go to LAX they take AA.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:27 am

Sorry about that. I realized too late that we are talking about SGF and not XNA.

Just no planes for the SLC route.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:29 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 13):
MLI, GRB, MSN, and BMI are all getting ATL

Wow--the DL ATL build up of the heartland continues...reminds me of when AA added these similar destinations to their mega hub in DFW. Which city do you think has the next best chance of receiving ATL service?
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:30 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 17):
Well if ATL gets SGF i dont see SLC having it for much longer

They aren't. Ends 30Nov05.
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
They aren't. Ends 30Nov05.

Haha guess my sarcasm is in vain.  yuck 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting N908AW (Reply 15):
Ah yes. The root of the word is CATCH, which means to retain. Therefore, CID has a higher catchment area because it retains and boards more people than does CRW, no?

No.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:44 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 24):
No.

Suppose you go out to a lake and 'catch' 10 fish, but one got off the hook before you could sufficiently 'load' it in the boat. Your load, and therefore catch, is 9, not 10.
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):
Calm down Iowaman. It'll be okay.

 Smile

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 14):
Hows CID similar to DSM in size, im not disagreeing with the others, but I thought DSM was much larger.

DSM is larger, but it depends on your definention of "much" larger.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 21):
Wow--the DL ATL build up of the heartland continues

Yes, at the expense of CVG service.


I'm going to post a sepreate thread for CID/DSM so this doesn't turn into one.
Back to the thread topic.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Quoting MD90fan (Reply 17):
Well if ATL gets SGF i dont see SLC having it for much longer

They aren't. Ends 30Nov05.

Not too surprising, I would think a route like SLC-SGF would be too thin when they fly SLC-XNA anyways.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:33 am

Quoting N908AW (Reply 25):
Suppose you go out to a lake and 'catch' 10 fish, but one got off the hook before you could sufficiently 'load' it in the boat. Your load, and therefore catch, is 9, not 10.

Man....what are you talking about?

Catch does not necessarily mean retain. To "retain" something, you must have already "caught" it.

Quoting N908AW (Reply 15):
Therefore, CID has a higher catchment area because it retains and boards more people than does CRW, no?

Okay, look. CID retains more passengers for a few reasons. CRW's catchment is surrounded by and somewhat shared with CMH and PIT. I haven't researched it any, but form what iowaman tells me, CID can take advantage of its whole catchment area, due to the distance form other airports.
You might say,"well, folks in CID can drive to DSM or MSN." Thats true, but the major player in my case is WN.
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:38 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 27):
Man....what are you talking about?

Catch does not necessarily mean retain. To "retain" something, you must have already "caught" it.

Spell metaphor.

And you just talked yourself into another corner. I've been trying to tell you 'retaining requires catching' for about 5 posts now.
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:41 am

i give up.

Quoting N908AW (Reply 28):
And you just talked yourself into another corner. I've been trying to tell you 'retaining requires catching' for about 5 posts now.

While talking about fishing?
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 29):
While talking about fishing?

Yes, one calls it a metaphor. Minnesotans rarely compare life to much else than fishing anyway...
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:48 am

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 27):
Okay, look. CID retains more passengers for a few reasons. CRW's catchment is surrounded by and somewhat shared with CMH and PIT. I haven't researched it any, but form what iowaman tells me, CID can take advantage of its whole catchment area, due to the distance form other airports.
You might say,"well, folks in CID can drive to DSM or MSN." Thats true, but the major player in my case is WN.

Thank you.. which is maybe why CID has more service and can support more? Also I don't think anyone from CID is going to drive to MSN (That's like 6 hours). And when you say CID is overserved, I agree it is to MSP, and they are cutting mainline to MSP in Oct. Otherwise I don't think it is.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 6):
How much longer until CID has too many flights and not enough pax? G4 recently announced SFB right?

SFB is 2x weekly, which I bet is 4x weekly by next summer. CID can finally get some pax back that had to drive to MLI to get on FL to MCO. The low fares will easily attract people from all over eastern Iowa, literally. We drive 2 hours to CID when we fly to LAS, the guy behind me on the plane drove from Dubuque (2+ hours away), and someone on the way back mentioned they were from Mt. Pleasant (2-3 hours south). So I don't think they will have any problems with too many flights and not enough pax...
 
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RE: ASA Starts SGF To ATL In December

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:55 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 31):
Thank you.. which is maybe why CID has more service and can support more? Also I don't think anyone from CID is going to drive to MSN (That's like 6 hours). And when you say CID is overserved, I agree it is to MSP, and they are cutting mainline to MSP in Oct. Otherwise I don't think it is.

Such as in [see signature]. I tend to think of it as disproportionally served, not overserved.  wink 
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