Amy
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Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:07 am

The SkyTeam timetable reports that Alitalia stops flying IAD-MXP with MD-11s any day now, replacing it with a 763ER.

Is it going back to storage? Being converted back to full freight? Any info would be great.

Thanks

[Edited 2005-09-19 23:12:00]
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:12 am

Aren't they all going to be freighters?
 
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:36 am

I know that the MD-11s are also serving India and Dubai, IAD is not the sole destination.
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797
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:07 am

Oh No!  Angry
That can't be!
I thought they were bringing this a/c back for at least a couple of years now.
Hope they don't take them out like this!
I'll search for info.

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wjcandee
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:53 am

Seasonal adjustment? I mean, IAD-MXP isn't exactly a hot winter route, is it?
 
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:55 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 4):
Seasonal adjustment? I mean, IAD-MXP isn't exactly a hot winter route, is it?

could be as all european airlines goes down with flights to IAD in winter-schedule...
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:05 am

AZ has 5 MD11s in the fleet, all combi's.

2 a/c have been converted to freighters.
1 a/c is undergoing conversion.

2 a/c are currently serving pax destinations - IAD and BOM/DEL. If IAD is going back to 763, it means they're allocating the M11s to India. BOM/DEL do go to 763 next year as the remaining M11s are converted.

AZ desperately needs additional long-haul capactiy. Their long-haul future fleet is based on 14 777s and 15 or so 763s.
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:06 am

M11 AZ are "combi version" with 204 seats.
767 AZ "standard" have 214 seats.

Anyway M11 are going to leave AZ pax from November and then they will be put into AZ Cargo.

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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:10 am

Quoting LXsaab2000 (Reply 7):
M11 AZ are "combi version" with 204 seats.

are the AZ M11 still used as combi? I always thought that had finished that some time ago....

Quoting LXsaab2000 (Reply 7):
Anyway M11 are going to leave AZ pax from November and then they will be put into AZ Cargo.

any new route plnd?

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797
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:13 am

Does AZ plan to acquire a new wide body fleet? that would be a great new!

If so, they should keep going with the 777.
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:18 pm

Is it truth that Alitalia is looking forward to come back to BOG ?
 
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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:36 pm

It was my understanding of late that AZ was attempting to lease more 777s and 763s. The MD11 (M1M) combi has awful economics in a combi configuration unless you are hauling a lot of cargo. My sense is that the markets they are flying with the M1M are not profitable because they don't generate that much cargo. The 763 has roughly the same number of seats and is more efficient than the M1M, so it would make sense to pull it from the winter schedule and put it in the hanger.

If they do acquire another four to five aircraft, any combination of 777s or 763s (probably more 763s, since it is a low density aircraft with long legs (up to 5800 miles..west coast USA to Milan for example), then they can dump the MD11s and convert them to cargo as they had originally planned. The advantage is that the combis converted to cargo would only have to have one cargo door installed instead of the normal two, since one is already there. I believe all the M11 (all pax) have already been converted to freighters. If any of my friends in Italy can confirm that, I'd appreciate that.

On a personal note, the AZ 763 is a fabulous airplane. Config: 30/175. The contoured seats in Economy are slimlined and a little firm, but what recline and leg space! Magnifica on the 763 is not Magnifica on the 777 for sure, but it is more intimate and on the really long flights, the crew does little extra stuff that makes each flight unique and special. I would fly them again anytime to Italy, no matter what class I fly.

A mio amici en Alitalia, buona fortuna!

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RE: Alitalia MD-11s Back To Storage?

Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:11 pm

EI-UPA (I-DUPA) is service as an MD11F. EI-UPI (I-DUPI) should now be finished conversion to F at Venice. The other 3 should follow in turn.

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