WNfan333
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Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:18 am

Hey everone. I am just about to attend class to become a flight attendant and will be working for WN. I live in Orlando and was wondering how hard it is to commute if your not based in the city you live in. Thanx any info will help.....
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:27 am

Congrats on getting hired. You'll LUV it!!!

Send me a private message with your AIM screen name or email and I'll answer any questions I can.

Good luck in class
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:59 am

Being a former airline pilot (furloughed in 02) and having lived in florida I can tell you first hand it can be a tough commute, get used to the JS and plan ahead good luck
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:20 pm

WN's loadfactors are high and they love to overbook so be careful, allow plenty of time, and always be prepared with a backup plan.
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:44 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 3):
WN's loadfactors are high and they love to overbook so be careful, allow plenty of time, and always be prepared with a backup plan.

Actually, WN has among the lowest load factors of all major carriers
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:23 pm

Don't listen to these people who think they know everything. Only listen to WN crewmembers. Especially your fellow f/a's who are already doing it
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airplaneboy
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:27 pm

I'm currently an FA for Frontier and I live in L.A., while I'm based in DEN. Fortunately for me, my company has a number of DEN-LAX/SNA/SAN flights and I also have many jumpseat agreements with other airlines (AA has 4 daily DEN-LAX flights, Skywest/UA Express flies DEN-BUR, etc.).

Like ewratc said, be prepared and plan ahead. I know that WN does not have any FA jumpseat agreements with other airlines, so you are limited to commuting on WN only, or you'll have you use your ZED corporate travel agreements to purchase passes on other airlines as a back up. Be sure to research who flies where and to come up with alternate "connection" airports should you ever have to deviate (i.e. weather, all nonstops are full, etc.).

You should definitely speak with another WN FA commuter, particularly one who commutes from MCO. Once you've got it down and you plan ahead, things should always be fine. Of course, one thing to ALWAYS keep a track of: weather!  Smile

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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:34 pm

Quoting Seven3Seven (Reply 5):
Don't listen to these people who think they know everything. Only listen to WN crewmembers. Especially your fellow f/a's who are already doing it

Hey pal, guess what, WN has to publish load factors quarterly and annually, just like every other carrier. They have among the lowest load factors of any major carrier. It is another way that shows just how well WN is run (with the exception of the occaisional bad apple). Try reading about your company first before spouting off about other people
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AirRyan
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:50 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Quoting Seven3Seven (Reply 5):
Don't listen to these people who think they know everything. Only listen to WN crewmembers. Especially your fellow f/a's who are already doing it

Hey pal, guess what, WN has to publish load factors quarterly and annually, just like every other carrier. They have among the lowest load factors of any major carrier. It is another way that shows just how well WN is run (with the exception of the occaisional bad apple). Try reading about your company first before spouting off about other people

Okay feel free to enlighten me here but I was always under the impression that high load factors were desirable i.e. load factor=(RPM's/ASM's.)

AirCanada seems to be pretty proud of their recent high load factors...  scratchchin 
http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/050907/e_aircanada_loadaugus.html?.v=1

My comment was intended to warn that non-rev'ing on WN can be less than desirable especially in peak travel times since their flights are usually booked very high and WN in particular likes to overbook all the time to ensure full capacity flights.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-07-21-workers-seats_x.htm
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:53 pm

Wnfan333 where are you going to be based? Baltimore?
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:58 pm

WNfan when are you going to trainning, I have frineds who where invited to the Oct class but then the class was postponed and they are hearing there is a good chance of no more classed until 2006. As far as commuting, I know several WN Fa's that commute and they never really have a problem, the commute to OAK, MDW, BWI and one to MCO from all over the country.
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:06 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 8):
Okay feel free to enlighten me here but I was always under the impression that high load factors were desirable i.e. load factor=(RPM's/ASM's.)

Fully planes don't always make money. Legacy carriers were losing money on load factors of near 90% while WN makes money on LFs between 66-70%

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 8):
My comment was intended to warn that non-rev'ing on WN can be less than desirable especially in peak travel times since their flights are usually booked very high and WN in particular likes to overbook all the time to ensure full capacity flights.

Again, systemwide, WN's load factors are not all that high. Also, they have a high number of no shows from my experience, with their full flights often going out with open seats. It is a sign of good revenue management
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:44 pm

I commute from MCO or TPA to MKE. And in a few weeks I will being working for another airline and will also commute from MCO/TPA to my new base. I have not had any problems commuting at any time. I have had to JS a few times but then again that was when the a/c was downsized.


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WNfan333
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:25 am

Hey aggie I live in MCO and like your friend said classes have been postponed and I probaly wont be going until Jan or Feb 06......I got a letter last week. They said they will give us monthly updates....Oh well its worth waitig for...
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:36 am

Is it just pilots that get positive space reservations? I know I always saw "CREWONE" etc. PS bookings when I flew NR with my airline.

On a separate note, I don't really have much compassion when it comes to seeing WN employees unable to get ZED tickets on the rest of the nation's carriers. They don't interline bags or passengers and won't nonrev any of us!
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:47 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 14):
On a separate note, I don't really have much compassion when it comes to seeing WN employees unable to get ZED tickets on the rest of the nation's carriers. They don't interline bags or passengers and won't nonrev any of us!

Contrary to that, our station agreement in PHX allows us to non-rev on WN, and I have to say they have always been great to me. I can't complain, even though I do still prefer HP. I noticed WN's leather seats give their planes a distinct smell, I'm not sure if I like it or not, but it doesn't smell like leather. :P
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:59 am

Quoting Wnfan333 (Thread starter):
I am just about to attend class to become a flight attendant and will be working for WN. I live in Orlando and was wondering how hard it is to commute if your not based in the city you live in.

That depends on where you live and your base and how many flights you need to take to get there. Seeing as you live in MCO, I can bet you are giong to try and get that as a base. MCO is a smaller base compared to others at 672 F/As. If you don't get it in training, you can put in a transfer.

Providing you end up commuting, even if the cabin is full, you can still ride "4th" to get to work. If a flight is full you should get to the airport early and be first in line an hour before to sign up for the 4th (extra) flight attendant jumpseat. Sign ups are first come, first served.
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:07 am

BTW- there is a Southwest forum on the boards at www.flightattendants.org. It costs $15 per year to be a member though.
 
WNfan333
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:44 am

Does anyone that works with WN know if MCO is hard to get and how long it takes to be based there????
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:41 am

Commuting sucks...




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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:24 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 14):
Is it just pilots that get positive space reservations? I know I always saw "CREWONE" etc. PS bookings when I flew NR with my airline.

"CREWONE" "CREWTWO" etc. is for deadheading crews. Could be pilots or flight attendants. Commuters use their space available passes.
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:28 pm

MCO is a rough base to get and it is very senior. The new hire classes for WN are going to OAK,MDW, and BWI. So if you make it through training put your transfer in right away. The company I work for now has MCO and FLL as bases and for both there is a 3 year waiting list. I am getting ready to put my transfer request in to get on the list. But anyway I still commute from GNV which is the closest airport to my house. Otherwise it TPA and then MCO as far as loads go.


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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:27 pm

I've been commuting for three and a half years, and I can say that it sucks! Be prepared to sit on the jumpseat, which will be no fun. On top of that you will be the junior person if there is another commuter on your flight, and if it's a full flight he/she will get the jumpseat and you will be at the gate watching your ride push back without you. I'm not sure where you will be commuting from, but my recommendation is to befriend the local employees and see if they can hook you up with some counter to counter passes on other airlines. This will help your commuting life. Enjoy commuting, it'll be fun the first few times, but it gets old really fast.


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If you are able to get the counter to counter passes, don't use them while in uniform. If you are using a pass on an airline that doesn't not have a reciprocal jumpseat with WN they may kick you off. Take your seat like any other non-rev does.
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:46 pm

Just remember one thing. Don't let it bother you. Just do it. If you think about it too much, you will be bothered by it. It may take some time to get use to it, but the best thing to do is just don't think about it.

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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:38 pm

Positive space... Sorry I took so long to respond, I had to stop my hysterical laughter and get up off the floor.  Wink Big grin TC
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:43 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 22):
On top of that you will be the junior person if there is another commuter on your flight, and if it's a full flight he/she will get the jumpseat and you will be at the gate watching your ride push back without you.

Thank goodness it doesn't work that way at Southwest. As mentioned, the 4th F/A seat is assigned on a first come, first served basis and not by seniority!

[Edited 2005-09-23 07:44:09]
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:21 pm

Quoting Av8trxx (Reply 16):

Providing you end up commuting, even if the cabin is full, you can still ride "4th" to get to work. If a flight is full you should get to the airport early and be first in line an hour before to sign up for the 4th (extra) flight attendant jumpseat. Sign ups are first come, first served.

So, with folks signing up on the "4th", would you, as a commuter, chip in to help those who are working the flight? Does the airline frown upon an FA wanting to help serve or assist on the flight while he/she is commuting?
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:41 pm

So, with folks signing up on the "4th", would you, as a commuter, chip in to help those who are working the flight? Does the airline frown upon an FA wanting to help serve or assist on the flight while he/she is commuting?

You could probably help, however there may be some issues in regard to crew rest legalities.
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:47 pm

How much "lead time" do you have on Southwest to get to your base if you are on reserve? If you have, say, 90 minutes, you probably would be smart to get a crash pad or something at your base.
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:52 pm

Most likely you'll be required to relocate to your base. It's very unusual to have reserve flight attendants living away from their base.
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:52 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 22):
On top of that you will be the junior person if there is another commuter on your flight, and if it's a full flight he/she will get the jumpseat and you will be at the gate watching your ride push back without you. I'm not sure where you will be commuting from,

WN jumpseats are first come first serve for FA's to my knowledge.

Quoting Wnfan333 (Reply 13):
Hey aggie I live in MCO and like your friend said classes have been postponed and I probaly wont be going until Jan or Feb 06......I got a letter last week. They said they will give us monthly updates....Oh well its worth waitig for...

Well that may change, they are having a class starting in oct now and have called alot of people back. If you go to swa.flightattendants.org there are alot of on line flight attendants and people waiting to go to trainning that post there.


Side note, does anyone have any idea how hard commuting IAH-CLT is, I am going to trainning with PSA soon and was just trying to see how hard commuting is going to be if I choose to do that.
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:59 pm

Having flown for many years, my opinion is as a new-hire live somewhat close to your domicile..ie..driving distance. It is tough learning a new job and a new way of life, and being on reserve. Adding the hassle and stress of commuting just adds pressure to starting a new job and getting used to being a crew member.

I lived near my domicile for many years of my career, then ventured off and commuted for the remaining part of it. I will tell you, from experience, it is tough. Plan well, check loads, have back up plans and passes. Jumpseats at some carriers are first come first served. At Southwest, other employees can also ride the FA jumpseat, unlike other airlines. Just be prepared and know what you are getting into.

My personal opinion: Relocate. Get used to the job and the industry. Use your passes to fly home on days off/vacation days. If at a later point in your career you really want to commute, I think then, you will be more prepared to handle the difficluties of cummuting.

Just my thoughts...take them as you may.

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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Actually, WN has among the lowest load factors of all major carriers

Clearly you haven't flown WN very often. Including non-revs with higher boarding priority, Southwest planes go out full much of the time.
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:43 pm

A little off the subject, but why doesn't WN have jumpseat agreements with other carriers? I only ask, because a friend of mine is a pilot with AA, and he's had a number of WN pilots flying in the jumpseat for commutes. So it sounds like that WN has jumpseat agreements for its pilots.
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:55 pm

I'm a 20 year F/A and I'd rather not commute. Will you be holding a line right out of training? If not, try to move near your base location, commuting for lineholders is stressful enough, I can't even imagine what it is like for reserves.

If you decide to commute, while sitting reserve, plan ahead and always have back up passes on other carriers. Good Luck and welcome to the ranks.  Smile
 
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:59 pm

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 32):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Actually, WN has among the lowest load factors of all major carriers

Clearly you haven't flown WN very often. Including non-revs with higher boarding priority, Southwest planes go out full much of the time.

Hmmm, lets see, not only have I flown WN often enough to get several Rapid Rewards free tickets, I have also dated a WN flight attendant. I was on a PVD-ORD flight 2 weekends ago and there were 30 people on the flight. You should take a look at WN's quarterly and annual reports, where they report their load factors. They are usually 5-10 points lower than the industry standard.
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RE: Flight Crew Commuting....

Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:03 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 35):
I was on a PVD-ORD flight 2 weekends ago and there were 30 people on the flight.

In that case, American or United must have been hurting on that flight...I think you meant PVD-MDW, if you were referring to WN.
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