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UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:12 pm

UA operates 3 daily EMB-120's from LAS to both Palm Springs and Fresno, what is the reason behind that? There isn't anything to connect to other than another UA hub. I'm sure it's mostly O&D, but it just seems weird UA would operate that. They also have HP (Mesa) and Allegiant on LAS-FAT to compete with.


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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:15 pm

Those two routes have been around forever. I would imagine they're making some kind of money on those routes, if they still exist.

I want to say the PSP-LAS flight has always been a Skywest route. And the FAT-LAS route was the old Westair route.
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:17 pm

Remember that those flights all continue to or start from LAX and are nice ways to spread out aircraft utilization while giving O&D customers a service.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:26 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
if they still exist.

Yes, PSP just recently got a 3rd daily.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):
Those two routes have been around forever. I would imagine they're making some kind of money on those routes

I guess.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Remember that those flights all continue to or start from LAX and are nice ways to spread out aircraft utilization while giving O&D customers a service.

Very true. I guess the EMB-120's don't have a very tight schedule in California.

[Edited 2005-09-20 06:27:48]
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:50 pm

It's one way to rotate aircraft between systems while also making money. They tend to go out quite full, too.

This is just a small portion of what is left of SkyWest's system after they bought out Sun Air. It worked then, and continues to work now, so why stop a good thing?
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:52 pm

Goldenshield-Aren't Fresno and Palm Springs also Skywest domiciles?
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:56 pm

Yes, they are, but that has nothing to do with revenue produced on the flight.  Wink
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:05 am

I believe under the UAX contract, Skywest is allowed to fly a small percentage of UAX flights (under 10% comes to mind) as "at risk" meaning UA won't subsidize the service. FAT-LAS and PSP-LAS are part of the "at risk" service". So Skywest is seeing a financial benefit by operating these flights otherwise they would be gone.

FAT-LAS was a DLConnection route in the past IIRC. It converted to UAX as Delta pulled down the LAX operation.

FAT-LAS has almost always been a popular route, the drive can be 5-6 hours on a good day, 7 or 8 hours when traffic is bad on I-15 which is every weekend. It has been flown by various airlines including the current operators as well as the old Air21, several scheduled charter operators, etc. The UAX flights are popular as a way for Fresno area UA frequent fliers to pick up some easy miles.

FAT and PSP both also host Mx hangars for Skywest. I'm not sure how the work is split these days, we seem to see more CRJs at the FAT hangar these days.

LAS may allow a little swapping of aircraft to Maintenance but don't forget the only other route Skywest has into LAS is from St. George, which only sees a few DLConn flights from SLC each day so not much swapping can occur from that direction.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:21 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):
the only other route Skywest has into LAS is from St. George

Not so for at least a year and a half;however, we still do a LAS-SLC roundtrip once a day or so.

The brasilias that go to LAS do not return to their origin, e.g. PSP-LAS-FAT, FAT-LAS-PSP. PSP only connects to LAX, and FAT to both LAX and SFO, which makes it easier to route the bird.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):
I believe under the UAX contract, Skywest is allowed to fly a small percentage of UAX flights (under 10% comes to mind) as "at risk" meaning UA won't subsidize the service. FAT-LAS and PSP-LAS are part of the "at risk" service". So Skywest is seeing a financial benefit by operating these flights otherwise they would be gone.

This is 100% accurate. You can get UA or DL miles on them, I beleive they only show up in the UA schedule. When UA and OO renegotiated there was a provision to add flights on their own up to the 10% level.
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):
Not so for at least a year and a half;however, we still do a LAS-SLC roundtrip once a day or so.

I got to sleep in this morning so I'm still waking up    but I thought those SLC flights were now CR7s flown by the "other guys". I don't see any Skywest SLC-LAS in my current schedule.

[Edited 2005-09-20 17:43:01]

[Edited 2005-09-20 17:43:38]
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:42 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
I don't see any in my current schedule.

I haven't really checked lately, but I know that I've worked them in the past.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 11):
I haven't really checked lately, but I know that I've worked them in the past.

I just looked again and the only DLConn flights on that route are coded with flight numbers starting 48xx or 46xx. Plus they are CR7s now which Skywest doesn't have in DL colors.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:51 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
Plus they are CR7s now which Skywest doesn't have in DL colors.

They do now.  Wink
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):
but don't forget the only other route Skywest has into LAS is from St. George,

Yeah those are gone, there is a couple SGU-LAX though.
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 13):
They do now.

LOL, true.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:55 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):

The brasilias that go to LAS do not return to their origin, e.g. PSP-LAS-FAT, FAT-LAS-PSP.

The early and late flights from Fresno return to Fresno. The midday one I think goes to Palm Springs.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Remember that those flights all continue to or start from LAX and are nice ways to spread out aircraft utilization while giving O&D customers a service.

The early flight from Fresno originates in Fresno, not Los Angeles. The late flight back to Fresno does not continue to Los Angeles, it terminates in Fresno.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 3):
I guess the EMB-120's don't have a very tight schedule in California.

Tell that to the crews doing 8 legs a day with no breaks.

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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:16 am

America West Express (Mesa Airlines) starts service from LAS-PSP soon using the Dash.  Smile  Smile
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:27 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):
FAT-LAS was a DLConnection route in the past IIRC

You are correct - I flew it several times as DL, and since then as UA.

Every time I've ever flown the route, the loads have been very good, and AFAIK the yields are good. The only nonstop competition on FAT-LAS is Allegiant, and that's not daily.
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:29 am

Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 17):
America West Express (Mesa Airlines) starts service from LAS-PSP soon using the Dash. Smile Smile

How does that rate " Smile  Smile"?

Mesa is considered by most pilots in the industry to be the scourge of the industry.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:04 am

Mesa has 1x CRJ and 1x CR9.

Quoting AZFLYER84 (Reply 17):
America West Express (Mesa Airlines) starts service from LAS-PSP soon using the Dash.

Sweet, I guess they are using the Dash due to better climb over the mountains etc.? Anyone know the start date?

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18):
The only nonstop competition on FAT-LAS is Allegiant, and that's not daily.

Mesa has 1x CRJ and 1x CR9.
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:10 am

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 19):
Mesa is considered by most pilots in the industry to be the scourge of the industry.

Mesa is also considered by most customers in the industry to be the scourge of the industry, especially for those America West, United, or US Airways fliers, who are dumb enough to, time and time again, be left stranded in (insert hub city here) because they can't seem to keep their flights relatively close to on-time.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:36 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 18):
The only nonstop competition on FAT-LAS is Allegiant, and that's not daily.

There are now 3 airlines on the FAT-LAS route. UAX, AWX, and Allegiant. AWX/Mesa is operating 2 CR9's daily (it just upgraded from a CR9 and a CRJ). The times are departing FAT at 2:00p and 9:15p.

edit - I should clarify. It is 2 CR9s on FAT-LAS and a CR9 and a CRJ on LAS-FAT. The second outbound just went to the larger capacity aircraft.

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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:50 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):

Not so for at least a year and a half;however, we still do a LAS-SLC roundtrip once a day or so.



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
got to sleep in this morning so I'm still waking up but I thought those SLC flights were now CR7s flown by the "other guys". I don't see any Skywest SLC-LAS in my current schedule.

For 9/29/05 for example, DL shows 8 n/s LAS-SLC, 2 CRJ7, 1 757, 1 738, 2 733, 2 MD90. Looks like a lot more than 1 flight per day.  Wink
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:55 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 23):
For 9/29/05 for example, DL shows 8 n/s LAS-SLC, 2 CRJ7, 1 757, 1 738, 2 733, 2 MD90. Looks like a lot more than 1 flight per day.

I think he means DL flights operated by Skywest.

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 23):
Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):

Not so for at least a year and a half;however, we still do a LAS-SLC roundtrip once a day or so.

Not sure how I got quoted on that..
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Wed Sep 21, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 24):
Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 23):
For 9/29/05 for example, DL shows 8 n/s LAS-SLC, 2 CRJ7, 1 757, 1 738, 2 733, 2 MD90. Looks like a lot more than 1 flight per day.

I think he means DL flights operated by Skywest.

Exactly. Notice my reference to the "other guys" in reply 10 and flight numbers in reply 12. More than one DLConn operator at SLC and LAS-SLC isn't flown by Skywest anymore.
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:59 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 22):
There are now 3 airlines on the FAT-LAS route. UAX, AWX, and Allegiant.

I did not know this...cool!

I can't remember when there were three airlines on FAT-LAS...last time before now I even remember 2 was when Air 21 was around.
 
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RE: UA (Skywest) LAS-FAT And LAS-PSP

Thu Sep 22, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 26):
last time before now I even remember 2 was when Air 21 was around.

I don't have my stuff in front of me. That was what Air21 and FunJet or someone like that?
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