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Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:43 pm

BBC have a report on their website about a Luxury Airline starting services between London Stansted and New York. Can anyone guess who it is?

An all-business class luxury air service is to be launched between Essex and the USA.
New American carrier Maxjet Airways will begin services between Stansted Airport and New York on 1 November.


The airline will be operating one flight every day apart from Saturday and fares will start at £599 one way, excluding taxes.

All passengers will get business class seats and will have pre-take off drinks and multi-course meals.


Aww, i was looking forward to flying them aswell  Sad

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Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:56 pm

Just to add, if you look at their website www.maxjet.com you can see the booking area is ready.

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Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:03 pm

Its EOS, offering the luxury service.

http://www.eosairlines.com

48 seat B757s


Maxjet is a LCC product using B762.
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:05 pm

This is not going to work out IMO. Travellers, who can afford/ are paid to fly in C or F will choose one of the large network carriers due to their large number of available destinations beyond STN and NYC and due to the frequent flyer perks, or will charter a biz-jet to get across the pond individually.
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:06 pm

Same principal as PrivatAir service.

"PrivatAir is a leading international business aviation group with headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. The company has been in operation for 25 years and employs over 400 people. PrivatAir operates a Corporate Shuttle on behalf of Lufthansa on routes from various German airports to destinations in the US. For this the airline uses a fleet of Airbus A319 Long Range and Boeing Business Jets (B737-700). These aircraft are equipped with 48 business-class seats in a two-by-two configuration. This was the world's first intercontinental business-class-only scheduled airline service."

Should be top notch service!

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:27 pm

This gets weirder by the minute.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):

I looked at your link and had a look at the route map. That is the same route as Maxjet has on their website.

If you go to www.maxjet.com, enter information into the Booking System and it will come up with prices. They start at £599 and it says the route is operated by a B767 a/c.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:20 pm

Is everyone ignoring Laxintl's post?

It's EOS that's starting luxury service with 757's, not Maxjet (who are a low-cost 767 operator).

I think the BBC has got them mixed up.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:28 pm

Rob, read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/4262196.stm

Take note of the price set their and the airline name.

Now go to www.maxjet.com and enter in details for a flight leaving in march next year. Notice how the prices start at the price quoted from BBC News?

To me, both stories add up. You and Laxintl are correct that EOS are starting services, maybe this is a Codeshare using the Maxjet aircraft because during the booking process where you see the prices it actually says it is a B767 used on that flight.

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EDIT: Read the very last paragraph in the BBC story, it mentions EOS as another airline interested in Stansted.

[Edited 2005-09-20 12:29:53]
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:37 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 6):
It's EOS that's starting luxury service with 757's, not Maxjet (who are a low-cost 767 operator).

I think the BBC has got them mixed up.

I think you need to do some research. Maxjet clearly says that it's operating an all-business 767 with 102 seats.
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:47 pm

Now this has changed ... they were earlier advertising a two-class service. They've changed their business plan ...
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:50 pm

So all those 0.99 fare Ryanair passengers at STN will be transfering from FR to a all-business class transatlantic carrier? Big grin
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:52 pm

Ha,
Anyone notice they only accept American Express at the moment?
 
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:54 pm

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:55 pm

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 9):

Yer, I read that earlier. Infact, I posted something about Maxjet 1 month ago and there is an employee of the company in A.net.

Quoting Xpfg (Reply 11):

Hmm, that is kinda odd for PAX departing the UK. Although, this won't really be a leisure airline will it?

It'll be companies bookign their employees on these flights therefore because most companies use American Express then they will only accept that.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:02 pm

Surely the fact they'll be operating from STN and not LHR or maybe LTN instead. I suppose slots etc dictated that, but it seems less than ideal.

I'd rather go premium econ out of LHR.
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:09 pm

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 14):

I agree, sorry guys but I don't think Maxjet will be around long.

Prices would be roughly the same when flying out of LHR or maybe even LGW.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:18 pm

There was a luxury airline in the '80's called Regent Air which operated trans-con flights here in the states. Regent Air used 727-100's.

I would like to have flown with them but couldn't afford it.

Oh well ...

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:29 pm

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 14):
I'd rather go premium econ out of LHR

It must be aimed at people in the City - a quick(ish) 45min direct trip from Liverpool Street to STN as against crawling through Central London to LHR!
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:41 pm

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
Maxjet is a LCC product using B762.

Are these Ex-TWA 767's?

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:47 pm

The EOS aircraft is being fine tuned at JFK now. It's sitting in the back of T4. Very nice color scheme. I would believe they are talking about this airline.
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 10:35 pm

So the EOS B752 is at the back of JFK, but has anyone got a clue where the Maxjet B767 is?

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:14 pm

There are several points here in no order whatsoever.

1) Both EOS and Maxjet have their FAA approvals.
2) Maxjet is out of T1 EOS out of T4
3) There is an article in WSJ today about them both
4) STN has its own unique catchment, so will be preferable to some people, in fact a lot of people, over LHR.
5) I think they will need to rely heavily on US-originating traffic, as opposed to UK
6) What about loyalty schemes?
7) Point to note, they are both operating expensive aircraft with high maintenance, PrivatAir uses 737/319 long range versions - about 30% cheaper to operate.
8) when you're competing against BA Club and VS UCS your seats had better be good. The pics of EOS in WSJ look like you'll be getting hospital bed with a plastic wrap-around - it is gross.
9) Maxjet has 60inch pitch, so yes, 102 on 767, 72 on 757, which may catch some (leisure?) premium econ pax (small market anyway) but who is going to give up their bizz lie-flat seat paid for by their company?
10) Maxjet have changed their bizz plan (from someone earlier)
11) Privat have the backing of major airlines AND they do not sell tickets themsleves.
12) Orion, a lot of US pax travel bizz over the pond and then pick up a 99pence flight - it is totally possible people will self-interlign, just not enough for these airlines.
13) STN is a great airport, if you don't know it. Entrance to gate in 8 mins if you're quick (I've done it!). easy access for the City and Cambs and all those catchment areas, and you can avoid the lo-cost pax.
14) oh, and schedules, one flight a day? Market share on this route is determined by frequency, not number of seats on your aircraft. One flight a day - not looking good.

well, that's all, i think the bizz-only concept works, but i think these guys have got the model wrong.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:32 pm

Quoting BlooBirdie (Reply 17):
It must be aimed at people in the City - a quick(ish) 45min direct trip from Liverpool Street to STN as against crawling through Central London to LHR!

LHR is 15 min from paddington station  Wink or 40 min from central london (Underground)
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:06 am

I don't see these airlines surviving, there's too much wrong, schedules, aircraft etc,

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:12 am

"The airline will be operating one flight every day apart from Saturday and fares will start at £599 one way, excluding taxes. "

The spokesperson also added that they expect to run out of cash by the end of the year.  Silly
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:47 am

I think nearly every year there is talk of a luxury, all business class, airline on the LON-NYC route and every time they fail to materialize.

This airline would only work if it had the backing of a major airline. Without it it's going nowhere.

But we can dream though.
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:10 am

Well at least we're getting a direct NYC service from STN, not that I'd fly for that price. But for catchment area, Stansted is good. All of East Anglia, from North of Dartford crossing, Essex, up to Norfolk. It will take a good 2 hrs off the journey at least during peak times. M11, M25 to LHR is a nightmare!
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:30 am

Well, they may to well with businessmen etc. but i seariosly doubt they will last.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:42 am

Sounds like al-Khayala service by NAS. They operate all-business A319 (44 passengers) between Riyadh and Jeddah + charter flights to other destinations.

http://www.al-khayala.com/
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:14 am

they are operating both 767s and 757s. from the website:

For comfort, reliability and efficiency, MAXjet selected the Boeing 767 and 757 aircraft for its operational launch.

MAXjet will initially fly the Boeing 767-200 between New York and London.
This Boeing is a wide-body aircraft custom configured to accommodate 102 customers in MAXjet's spacious business-class seating.

The 767 will be joined by Boeing 757-200s, likewise custom-configured to carry 72 passengers in MAXjet's all-business-class service.

MAXjet's aircraft allow smaller groups of passengers—never more than 102—to command the full resources of a business class airline exclusively dedicated to meeting travelers' business class needs.
Moreover, these aircraft are ideally suited to MAXjet's seven-hour flight over the North Atlantic, and they provide operating efficiencies and economics that enable MAXjet to offer business class travel for what one would expect to pay for economy travel.
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:14 am

I made a visit up to their headquarters this past Spring. They practically sold me on their product and all seem bound and determined to make their mark on this industry. I can't provide details, but they plan to do things a lot different from the norm, some really cool innovative things too!

I've notice that there might have been a bit of termoil and changing of ranks there with a new investor that came in, but I hope it didn't change too much from what I saw!
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:49 am

That is good, maybe they will introduce LCC flights later on next year.

They are planning on using B757's aswell.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:33 am

Well, I wonder what this means for Primaris?

http://www.primarisairlines.com/index.aspx
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:38 am

Haha,

Looks like there are more Full Business Class airlines starting up now.

That is the 3rd I have heard about today, anyone got anymore ?  Smile

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:52 am

1. I would be very interested in Y class across the pond at under US$500.
2. I would be very interested in B class across the pond at under US$1,000.

It's true that you can sometimes beat these prices during the off season, but certainly not during the high season.
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 4:56 am

I think there is only 1 LCC that flys across the pond and that is Zoom. Wrong Country, but they operate from the UK and you can catch a connection.

I think the last time I checked for a Y class Zoom flight it cost £350 pp return.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:09 am

A little background information I came across...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005/07/19/AR2005071901764_pf.html

Maxjet also has scaled back plans to lease eight Boeing 767 aircraft by the end of this year. The company now says its fleet will grow gradually to three 767s and not expand beyond that number until the third quarter of 2006. Maxjet has told regulators it will sell economy- and business-class tickets at 15 to 70 percent cheaper than those of traditional carriers. But its start-up model was based on buying fuel at $1.10 a gallon, equivalent to about $40 a barrel, the company said in a recent filing with the Transportation Department. Now, with jet fuel selling in the $1.80- to $2-a-gallon range, the company said it is even wondering whether leasing Boeing 767s was -- or is -- such a great idea.

On its Web site, Maxjet describes the 767 as "ideally suited to the low-cost model for transatlantic and other long-haul flying." But in a June 30 letter to government regulators, Maxjet chief executive Gary Rogliano wrote: "High fuel costs have called into question the long-term viability of Boeing 767-200ER aircraft of the type MAXjet originally planned to acquire." Maxjet already has leased one 767. But the company may at some point acquire Airbus A330 and Boeing 777 aircraft "that will offer superior fuel consumption," Rogliano wrote.

Maxjet plans to run charter flights to Europe and possibly Latin America. The privately held company said it also hopes to offer scheduled service to Stansted from a third U.S. city, possibly Boston, beginning in May.
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:11 am

Hmm, that is odd.

Here is what i found: http://www.maxjet.net/max_aircraft.php

For comfort, reliability and efficiency, MAXjet selected the Boeing 767 and 757 aircraft for its operational launch.

MAXjet will initially fly the Boeing 767-200 between New York and London.
This Boeing is a wide-body aircraft custom configured to accommodate 102 customers in MAXjet's spacious business-class seating.

The 767 will be joined by Boeing 757-200s, likewise custom-configured to carry 72 passengers in MAXjet's all-business-class service.


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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:30 am

A bit of math... Jet A at $2.20/gallon, approximatly 18,000 gallons one way JFK-LON (that's about 120,000 pounds or so for a 767 across the pond, please correct me dispatchers) so about $39,600 in gas. Pay for a crew of 6 F/A's(guessing), 2 pilots, hotels for the crew, meals at the low end of $60/pax, landing fees, oceanic fees, not to mention the entire support staff at the airports to handle the aircraft, start in November, you look at De-icing as well. And how much do they plan to charge? $800? So revenue will be 800*102=$81,600/flight, IF they fill up... Bottom line, not enough revenue coming in. Not good. 767 is not a good plane if you don't have any money to burn.
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:36 am

MaxJet has to change that livery - it looks just like ValuJet (minus "Critter", of course!
Light blue, to me anyway, screams "Leisure market ... cattle car plane crammed with seats full of families and loud kids" ..... its not business looking at all.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:42 am

Quoting F27XXX (Reply 39):

That's what most people thought, but it is a nice livery.

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 38):

Atleast they are making a small profit, they will make atleast $ 2,280,000 on average per month. That is not a bad profit and when they get the other 8 aircraft they will be making more.

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Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:42 am

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 38):
$800?

"New York – London starting from $779 / £599 * each way"

https://www.maxjet.com/default.do?requestPage=newsearch.page
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 40):
Atleast they are making a small profit, they will make atleast $ 2,280,000 on average per month. That is not a bad profit and when they get the other 8 aircraft they will be making more.

I am not sure where you got that number. No airline in the world makes $2mil profit a month off of one aircraft. Even at a $1000/ticket I can't see where they make any money at all.

There is a reason Legend (my name-sake...)didn't survive, it's because premium service has premium costs. If it made sense to run a business class product, charge coach and expect to turn a profit then everyone would be doing it. There is a reason these tickets costs several thousand dollars each.
 
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:03 am

Personally I would rather stick to full service carriers. It's a nice idea having an all business class airline but I think it really is just a pipedream on all but the most elite routes.
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:12 am

Ill stick to this dreamliner 767 service. but it never would materalize...

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 42):

Sorry, I made a very small calculational error.

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 44):

That is rather nice, I bet that pic was taken in FS9 using the PoSky B767.

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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:21 am

Quoting OURBOEING (Reply 18):
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 2):
Maxjet is a LCC product using B762.

Are these Ex-TWA 767's?

It is an ex-Quantas 767
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:33 am

Anyone heard the latest on Primaris Airlines??? Seems they have gone all quiet for a while.
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:34 am

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 45):
That is rather nice, I bet that pic was taken in FS9 using the PoSky B767.

Yes I did the textures once the new version came out, I just couldnt resist.
have yet to upload it to avsim or something.

it seems the new 762 model does not have the fuel discharge nozzles that an ER has.
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RE: Luxury Airline Set For Take-Off!

Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 46):

Well, atleast Maxjet are getting a well maintained aircraft.

Thansk
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