Spark
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Question About PR And EK Timetables?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:27 pm

I've recently had some time to examine Emirates and Philipines timetables, and saw some things that don't really make much sense to me. I'm wondering if anybody has some reasons?

EK- They have passenger flights that leave at 3 am for places like Doha and Baharain. I don't really understand how flying in the middle of the night is a good business, unless it is a usual Red-Eye type flight, where the plane leaves in the middle of the night to arrive in the morning. These are only 1 hr flights, and it is still COD (crack of dawn) when they arrive.

PR- the flights from SFO and LAX have stops in HNL which don't appear on their time tables (HNL-MNL). On the time tables they have 5 flights per week for HNL-MNL, but in reality they have 22 flights. If Honolulu is only a technical stop, why wouldn't they stop at ANC instead (which would save them about an hour flight time).
 
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RE: Question About PR And EK Timetables?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:53 pm

Quoting Spark (Thread starter):
EK- They have passenger flights that leave at 3 am for places like Doha and Baharain.

This has to do with connections my friend...
You will find that the majority of Europe to Dubai flights arrive DXB between 2300 and 0130, meaning that a 230-300 departure onwards to other mid east destinations work well.

Going back the other way, you will find most Dubai_europe flights departing DXB between 0730 and 0930, hence 0500-0600 arrivals from other mid east destinations works well for onward connections.

Quoting Spark (Thread starter):
PR- the flights from SFO and LAX have stops in HNL which don't appear on their time tables (HNL-MNL). On the time tables they have 5 flights per week for HNL-MNL, but in reality they have 22 flights

The HNL stop in some cases is only from the return flight USA-MNL. On the way across, the flights are non-stop. It seems the PAL only operate 3pw HNL-MNL dedicated services for point to point traffic..


****F** 8:30p MNL C2 5:00p SFO I PR 114 Non-stop 343 12:30
MTWTFSS 10:30p MNL C2 6:30p SFO I PR 104 Non-stop 744 12:00

MTWTFSS 9:00p SFO I 6:00a+2 MNL C2 PR 105 1-Stop 744 17:00
****F** 7:00p SFO I 4:35a+2 MNL C2 PR 115 1-Stop 343 17:35

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**W***S 8:30p MNL C2 5:30p LAX B PR 112 Non-stop 343 13:00
MTWTFSS 10:00p MNL C2 6:30p LAX B PR 102 Non-stop 744 12:30

**W***S 7:30p LAX B 5:15a+2 MNL C2 PR 113 1-Stop 343 17:45
MTWTFSS 9:00p LAX B 6:10a+2 MNL C2 PR 103 1-Stop 744 17:10

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*T*T*S* 3:30p MNL C2 7:45a HNL M PR 100 Non-stop 343 10:15
*T*T*S* 9:45a HNL M 2:30p+1 MNL C2 PR 101 Non-stop 343 10:45
 
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RE: Question About PR And EK Timetables?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:39 pm

I figured the connections were a factor with EK's flights.

According the last time table I saw, all California-MNL flights have the HNL stop over, with the outward leg (MNL-California) being non-stop. It is a daily 744 to SFO and LAX, along with a weekly 340 to SFO, and twice weekly LAX 340.

However, if this is a technical stop, why HNL? Hawaii is a long ways south, and if you aren't gaining passengers, why not find a closer technical stop?
 
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RE: Question About PR And EK Timetables?

Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:53 pm

Quoting Spark (Reply 2):
However, if this is a technical stop, why HNL? Hawaii is a long ways south, and if you aren't gaining passengers, why not find a closer technical stop?

I'm only guessing here, but for PAL to serve HNL 3pw, I'm guessing that there is a sizeable Filipino community in Hawaii. Can anyone confirm.

Therefore, if PAL is going to have sales, marketing, tech and maintenance in HNL to serve it's 3pw dedicated services, may as well have the tech-stop there just in case.

What would an alternative be?? ANC is about 500 miles shorter on a MNL-LAX routing than HNL, but I don't think the fuel saving would be greater than the cost of having a tech-stop at a destination the airline doesn't serve.

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