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The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:25 am

The air traffic between the USA and Mexico has been healthy lately, and just got healthier. Countries agreee to three airlines per city pair.

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1127337827.html
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:29 am

Interesting. I wonder which will routes will see new filings when this is ratified.
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:31 am

Wow.. some city pairs could have 6 airlines to one Mexican city, and RDU can't even get the 1st airline.. WOW...
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:33 am

LAX, ORD, and JFK to MEX, GDL and CUN will be my guess.
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:35 am

Here are a few more details from the DOT.

City pairs impacted are between any city in the US and Acapulco, Cancun, Cozumel, Guadalajara, Huatulco, Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo, Loreto, Manzanillo, Mazatalan, Merida, Monterrey, Oaxaca, Puerto Vallarta and San Jose del Cabo.

Codeshares on any route increases from four to ten.

It also splits Washington and Baltimore into 2 separate markets opening more opportunities there.
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:54 am

I wonder now if Airtran will be interested in BWI/PHL-CUN
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:13 am

Interesting that MEX was not included in this expanded bilateral...
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:19 am

i Can see AA filing for Lax- Mex, or JFK- Mex, and Azteca filing for Mex- Lax as well, interesting
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 4):
City pairs impacted are between any city in the US and Acapulco, Cancun, Cozumel, Guadalajara, Huatulco, Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo, Loreto, Manzanillo, Mazatalan, Merida, Monterrey, Oaxaca, Puerto Vallarta and San Jose del Cabo.

Not fair enough!! CINTRA holds good routes @ MEX.

6A is based at MTY and will sure be affected by this...!!

As always unfair things for all @ our aviation.

Mexico and the United States day by day are getting more and more ties of friendship no matter some people hate this idea!!! Today I met this new nice girl at school which is american... and loves living @ MEX and she says she'll stay here forever...!!!

Does the Mexico's-USA numbers of flights in a day, including all carriers flying, have surpassed the USA-Canada numbers of flights?


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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:31 am

I see United/TED adding ORD-CUN.
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:38 am

JetBlue JFK-CUN? maybe... NYC to Cancun is already full with CO and AA. Now with three airlines, this would be feasible.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
Does the Mexico's-USA numbers of flights in a day, including all carriers flying, have surpassed the USA-Canada numbers of flights?

This has been debated for a couple of years. I think it has.
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:56 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
JetBlue JFK-CUN? maybe... NYC to Cancun is already full with CO and AA. Now with three airlines, this would be feasible.

Not if DL/Song beats them to it, between AA, CO and DL I don't think B6 will be able to fly any routes to Mexico from NY.
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:23 pm

Benito Juarez International Airport in Mexico City was not included in the agreement per press release due to a very bad congestion problem. Hopefully Toluca airport will take off as a true second gateway (new access highway and passenger terminal built) for Mexico City.

I would expect JetBlue to apply for JFK-CUN and there now doesn't need to be a route case for LAX-CUN applications for second carrier.
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:25 pm

Cancun (CUN), Guadalajara (GDL) and San Jose del Cabo (SJD) will be the major winners with this agreement.

We will see a fight for rights to fly:

GDL-LAX between ZE, 6A and JR
SJD-LAX between AM, ZE and 6A

among others...
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:59 pm

Sounds really good and aprofitable for mexican airlines, like ZE, 6A and Avolar (airline code  Sad ??) I can imagine 6A or ZE flying MEX-MIA or MEX-JFK... but I can't understand why this new rule between both countries, MEX-LAX is served by AM MX JR and 6A is because MEX is the capital of Mexico or exist another reason for that..... I am a little bit confused..... cheers VIC
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:22 pm

Hello all do any of you see now with this new agreement that Aeromexico will try to capitalize on certain markets that they are not in...Like Northern California. I know AM has a codeshare with MX, but I like AM service better. Mexicana has enjoyed all of Nor Cal's Airports SFO, OAK, SJC, SMF. I would love to see Aeromexico in Oakland to GDL, or AM to any other city in Mexico. I love their service. The AM jet would also look lovely in the bay area. Does anyone see Aviacsa moving into the Bay area also.
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:30 pm

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
Today I met this new nice girl at school which is american... and loves living @ MEX and she says she'll stay here forever...!!!

Is someone sounding smitten here, cloudnine  Ricardo? You should probably invite her to the next "avioncitos" meeting so the gang can get to meet her!!

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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:57 pm

I hope MX takes advantage of this and fights for rights to land at Washington National, like Air Canada.

Ghost77 is in love!!!
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:45 pm

Excellent news. This is gonna ease up a few competitions (DL and UA competing for LAX-CUN, DL and AA competing for JFK-SJD, DL, FL and NK competing for MCO-CUN). Hope this also means the DOT will be a bit faster in their decisions  Wink .
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:30 pm

I really think Jetblue wanted to do JFK-CUN but couldn't because of the restrictions. That will be my first prediction for 2006, JetBlue lands in CUN.
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:18 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 17):
I hope MX takes advantage of this and fights for rights to land at Washington National, like Air Canada.

Ghost77 is in love!!!

The only reason there are Air Canada flights into Washington National is because those Canadian airports have US Preclearance stations for US Customs and Border Protection.

I can't imagine that preclearance would ever be at Mexico City, which also sits way outside of the perimeter for Washington National service.

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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:04 pm

OakJam...I'm wishing the same thing for the SF Bay Area airports. I think AM would do well there.

I wonder if this will open the door to the newcomers slated to start service out of Mexico. Maybe the newcomers will change their business plan a bit to include international service.

Also, perhaps this will give impetus for ZE to expand service out of OAK.

Time will tell.
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:21 am

HP will be going after LAX-CUN. They wanted that route for years.
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:09 am

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 14):
Sounds really good and aprofitable for mexican airlines, like ZE, 6A and Avolar (airline code ??) I can imagine 6A or ZE flying MEX-MIA or MEX-JFK... but I can't understand why this new rule between both countries, MEX-LAX is served by AM MX JR and 6A is because MEX is the capital of Mexico or exist another reason for that..... I am a little bit confused..... cheers VIC

Avolar = A5

MEX-LAX is only served by AM and MX from the Mexican side. No other Mexican airline can fly the route due to the US-MEX bilateral agreement. JR and 6A have flights to LAX from other mexican cities but not from MEX.
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:11 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
I wonder if this will open the door to the newcomers slated to start service out of Mexico. Maybe the newcomers will change their business plan a bit to include international service.

It would be cool to see more mexican airlines flying here, including more cargo airlines such as Aero Union, Aeropostal de Mexico.. Im sure some of those start ups and existing airlines could start doing charters to places like MCO, FLL, TPA..
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:53 am

Rojo: JR flies MEX-PVR-LAX (I think is flt 156 and 150 for MEX-ZLO-LAX) and 6A flies MEX-BJX-MTY-LAX 6A flt. 792/790
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:45 pm

Yeah Victor, but those count only as PVR-LAX and MTY-LAX, respectively, for purposes of the bilateral.

This is really surprising news. I must say I did not see this coming. I need to give this deeper consideration but my first impression is that U.S. carriers are maybe going to benefit more from this amendment to the treaty than Mexican ones. What do you guys think?
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:54 pm

Quoting Rojo (Reply 23):

Does anyone think AM will start LAX-CUN? It would be nice to see them increase their presence at LAX. MX seems to have them beat and I agree that their service seems to be better than MX's but that has not always been the case. BTW, how many flights does AM have from LAX currently?
I know that DL applied for LAX-CUN but what's the point of awarding it to them when they dismantled all but GDL operations of the old WA flights? Why would HP be awarded this route as well? They have axed all their flights to Mexico from LAX and they were all CR9 flights? I hope UA wins this one.

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 25):

Can you really consider JR to be a major player in much of anything anymore with those all D9S they fly and many rumors they are going away???

Does anyone have any thoughts or heard of anything about AS starting service LAX-MTY? I think they would do well on this and or maybe LAX-BJX?

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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:02 pm

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 16):

Ahh... wish Jennifer was my age..! But she's 4 years older... of course I certainly don't mind.. dunno about her.. as for the avioncitos I'll try to convince her, I have brought to her a few av mags showing my pics and she like the fact but didn't pay much attention to subject itself LOL!

Quoting AR385 (Reply 17):

Yes! But it's Nelly not Jenn!:D

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 20):
I can't imagine that preclearance would ever be at Mexico City, which also sits way outside of the perimeter for Washington National service.

IIRC, a few months ago CUN was about to get pre-C... IF CUN gets it... MEX could.

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 21):
Also, perhaps this will give impetus for ZE to expand service out of OAK.

Would be great! Now that GDL and several beach destinations are opened for one more carrier it will be really interesting to see if ZE, 6A or A5 jumps in!!! And I see the things getting worse everyday for JR.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 24):
It would be cool to see more mexican airlines flying here, including more cargo airlines such as Aero Union, Aeropostal de Mexico.. Im sure some of those start ups and existing airlines could start doing charters to places like MCO, FLL, TPA..

Yeah it will also be great to see cargo carriers expanding!! At least Aeropostal has recently and continuously been flying now out from QET!!!

Looking good for mexican carriers in some ways...


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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:40 pm

Quoting Andahuailas (Reply 7):
i Can see AA filing for Lax- Mex, or JFK- Mex, and Azteca filing for Mex- Lax as well, interesting

Wont happen, as MEX is not included in the extension

Quoting Juventus (Reply 10):
JetBlue JFK-CUN? maybe... NYC to Cancun is already full with CO and AA. Now with three airlines, this would be feasible.

Yes, I can definately see this and really don't understand why they don't split JFK and EWR like they are doing with BWI and IAD/DCA

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
Does the Mexico's-USA numbers of flights in a day, including all carriers flying, have surpassed the USA-Canada numbers of flights?

I believe Canada still has it

Quoting Rojo (Reply 13):
GDL-LAX between ZE, 6A and JR

Don't forget AA on the US side. LAX-GDL is a huge market

Quoting Rojo (Reply 13):
SJD-LAX between AM, ZE and 6A

And perhaps UA on the US side trying to pick up a truely high yield tourist destination

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 14):
I can imagine 6A or ZE flying MEX-MIA or MEX-JFK...

And they wont because AM and MX already serve the route.

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 14):
MEX-LAX is served by AM MX JR and 6A is because MEX is the capital of Mexico

No, the non stop is only done by AM and MX on the Mexican side (UA and AS on the US side)

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 20):
The only reason there are Air Canada flights into Washington National is because those Canadian airports have US Preclearance stations for US Customs and Border Protection.

Not true. A destination must have an FIS to recieve all international flights, even if they are pre-cleared. Look what happened with the AS flight on YVR-SNA. They actually had to divert it because SNA doesn't have any FIS

Quoting PlaneGuy27 (Reply 20):
I can't imagine that preclearance would ever be at Mexico City, which also sits way outside of the perimeter for Washington National service.

It is not way outside, but it is outside

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 22):
HP will be going after LAX-CUN. They wanted that route for years.

And if they offer a CR9, they wont get it. UA is LAX's hub carrier, and will likely get the route

Quoting Airlineslover (Reply 25):
JR flies MEX-PVR-LAX (I think is flt 156

Actually, I believe it is MTY-PVR-LAX

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 27):
Can you really consider JR to be a major player in much of anything anymore with those all D9S they fly and many rumors they are going away???

Well, considering the special "cargo" they carry, I don't think JR is going anywhere unless the Federales decide to raid an airplane

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 27):
I know that DL applied for LAX-CUN but what's the point of awarding it to them when they dismantled all but GDL operations of the old WA flights?

GDL is gone too, AS got it
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:16 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):Does the Mexico's-USA numbers of flights in a day, including all carriers flying, have surpassed the USA-Canada numbers of flights?
I believe Canada still has it

Canada and the US have open skies. No carrier, frequency or capacity restraints. Six US airlines and three Canadian carriers are flying the transborder network daily, as well as three Canadian charter carriers that I can think of. Even on a route like Vancouver-Honolulu, you will have three Canadian carriers flying daily this winter. Just look at the NYC area. Just off the top of my head, Air Canada flies over 35 times a day from four cities to four NY airports, and will soon add YYC-EWR service. AA and CO operate services from three NY airports to several destinations in Canada.
 
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RE: The USA And Mexico Agree To More Flights.

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 26):
my first impression is that U.S. carriers are maybe going to benefit more from this amendment to the treaty than Mexican ones. What do you guys think?

Hey Eddie.
I agree with you. I think this benefits more the US airlines, than the Mexican carriers. However, I think this will give the Mexican economy a big boost (tourism), and with more competition (lower fares), it will allow many Mexican migrant workers to visit their homeland. My parents get to go to Morelia once in a blue moon because of high fares.