TedTAce
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Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:46 am

We Had somebody on the A-340 why not this one?
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:50 am

I'm sure Sam Chui was standing next to the runway filling up CF cards on this approach...  bigthumbsup 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:52 am

yes ted, the 1st thing i did was rush over to the internet kiosk  sarcastic 
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 1):
I'm sure Sam Chui was standing next to the runway filling up CF cards on this approach... bigthumbsup

Is any a.netter LAX ground staff? I spotted a couple of employees taking pics of the collapsed gear mainly.

Maybe ending up in a.net? I dunno, hope so!
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:55 am

Like someone said, a.net will be FILLED with pictures of this landing tomorrow

If we have an anutter on board that'll be really cool
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:17 am

There was an a.netter on that 340??!?! Really?!?

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Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:22 am

Quoting Airlinelover (Reply 6):
There was an a.netter on that 340??!?! Really?!?

Yes the one a couple months ago you
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:03 pm

An a.netter who goes by the name of SunValley was on that flight I'm sure. We talk very frequently, and he was scheduled to do BUR-JFK to day. I have tried calling him but cannot reach him.
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:04 pm

I watched from the west end of the I-105 where it merges into Imperial Hwy. Loads of cars parked illegally, and people (including me) standing in areas where pedestrians are prohibited (along the shoulder of the east and westbound 105).

Initially the police presence was minimal. However, law enforcement from 3 different agencies soon appeared to "clear the area", save for the assembled media. Fortunately, I had my hand held scanner and just happened to be standing next to a TV van from a local station. I got to stay and watch!

Considering the media coverage, it was very anti-climatic (obviously in the good sense of the term). Touched down slow, rolled long. Nose was up perhaps half the landing roll. Some smoke, a bit of flame - yet gladly uneventful.

Aircraft continued to utilize 25L/25R until 5 minutes prior to landing, But most traffic had been switched to the north complex. After landing, 25R was closed for approximately 30 minutes before reopening.
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 1:54 pm

I saw the flight loading in BUR today if that counts... I was in BUR for the second day in a row and decided to watch B6 load up while waiting for my flight to PHX.
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:03 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 2):
yes ted, the 1st thing i did was rush over to the internet kiosk

In Teds defense Nosedive, it is a valid question IMO . . .

Geez, you surely know there are people here (on A-Net) with no life at all that would be posting the play by play from the cabin if they thought it possible . . . .  wink 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:10 pm

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 1):
I'm sure Sam Chui was standing next to the runway filling up CF cards on this approach...

Oh please.... The last place anyone taking pictures needs to be on the side of the runway. First, there is no need to endanger another life, if the person is not a necessity, such as EMS, they should not be there. It would be wrong for Sam to have been along the side of the runway, talk about an abuse of privileges.
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:37 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
it is a valid question IMO . . .

Yea, I would like to hear the stories from those who saw the plane land. But as you said/implied, only the "armchair announcers" would get off on being the 1st w/ the play by play. Either way, the thread is up.
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:48 pm

I posted in the main thread...I live in Westchester about 1/2 mile north of LAX and went down to Imperial Hill in El Segundo after KABC-TV reported that the flight would land on 25L. There were already at least 150 people around by the time I got there, and it quickly grew to 200+. The fire started up just before reaching the main vantage point of Imperial Hill, and, of course, the plane stopped soon thereafter. From seeing it in person and then seeing it on TV after the fact, it was much more noticeable in person how long the captain kept the nose in the air before setting down. Most aircraft are turning or close to turning off the runway at about T4...whereas that was about the point where the captain first set down the nose gear. Of course, the whole crowd gave a big cheer and applause when the a/c came to a stop with no apparent problems.

The north complex was business as usual the entire time, and the 25s were in normal use until B6 came in...in fact there was a UA jet that took off within 5 minutes of B6's arrival.
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:20 pm

I was on the scene as it came down and was it ever spectacular! I was shooting video so no pics can be posted. I've viewed the footage several times and sounds of the squibbing tires then bursting into flames was awesome! But why did the pilot NOT deploy the spoilers or thrust reversers to slow the rollout? Not questioning his skills.... but I'm not a pilot and would like to know.

By not doing so, the skidding sounds are quite pronouced on playback. Very interesting indeed.


Afterwards I had to get back to the city. It was a zoo... the cops could not control traffic coming off the 105 Freeway where it becomes Imperial Highway, people parked along the entire roadway..easily creating a traffic hazard, as cops mpve people away others fought to take there place to park... it got completely out of hand!

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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:47 pm

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 12):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
it is a valid question IMO . . .

Yea, I would like to hear the stories from those who saw the plane land. But as you said/implied, only the "armchair announcers" would get off on being the 1st w/ the play by play. Either way, the thread is up.

You're right of course . . . but the question was valid . . .

And then there's this response . . . from someone with no imagination and no sense of humor or sarcasm . . .

Quoting United737522 (Reply 11):
Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 1):
I'm sure Sam Chui was standing next to the runway filling up CF cards on this approach...

Oh please.... The last place anyone taking pictures needs to be on the side of the runway. First, there is no need to endanger another life, if the person is not a necessity, such as EMS, they should not be there. It would be wrong for Sam to have been along the side of the runway, talk about an abuse of privileges

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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:00 pm

Quoting United737522 (Reply 11):
Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 1):
I'm sure Sam Chui was standing next to the runway filling up CF cards on this approach...
Oh please.... The last place anyone taking pictures needs to be on the side of the runway. First, there is no need to endanger another life, if the person is not a necessity, such as EMS, they should not be there. It would be wrong for Sam to have been along the side of the runway, talk about an abuse of privileges.

That's completely uncalled for... being there 1st hand everyone permitted to be there for whatever reason was there and at a very safe distance. No One was even near the runway.

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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
You're right of course . . . but the question was valid . . .

And then there's this response . . . from someone with no imagination and no sense of humor or sarcasm . . .

So.................................... the crux of this thread is the pimp slapping of Ryan Richter?
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:28 am

How did they removed aircraft from the runway?

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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:36 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 18):
How did they removed aircraft from the runway?

Lifted it by helicopter?  spit 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:27 am

I flew into LAX on United 121 from ORD. We landed on 25L at around 5:30, and I noticed all the emergency vehicles lining the runway. I thought they were doing some disaster training or something. It wasn't until I got into the parking lot shuttle that some woman on a cell phone said there was going to be a "crash landing" at the airport. I got my car, went under the Sepulveda tunnel, and people were pulling off the side of the road (and the 105) to see it.

I didn't stick around, because quite honestly if something catastrophic happened, I didn't really want to be an eyewitness to it. Besides, I knew from the TV trucks they would replay whatever happened ad nauseum (and I was right).
 
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:34 am

Where do you draw the line between wanting to report the facts versus getting your jollies off by photographing it and then tripping over yourself to rush home to upload the pix to this site?

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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:46 am

Quoting United737522 (Reply 11):
Oh please.... The last place anyone taking pictures needs to be on the side of the runway. First, there is no need to endanger another life, if the person is not a necessity, such as EMS, they should not be there. It would be wrong for Sam to have been along the side of the runway, talk about an abuse of privileges.

Oh please, the last thing people should be doing is talking about something they know nothing about. There are plenty of people who work on the ramp at LAX and have access and even more who go to Imperial Hill to view the South Complex.
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:49 am

I was on N536JB SYR/JFK/MCO on 7/10/04. Thats the best I can do.  Smile
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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:16 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 14):
I was on the scene as it came down and was it ever spectacular! I was shooting video so no pics can be posted. I've viewed the footage several times and sounds of the squibbing tires then bursting into flames was awesome! But why did the pilot NOT deploy the spoilers or thrust reversers to slow the rollout? Not questioning his skills.... but I'm not a pilot and would like to know.

This was mentioned in one of the other threads ... firstly, the Airbus checklist for this kind of emergency says shut down the engines as soon as the mains touchdown (which would eliminate FOD damage to the engines) ... this will only give about 30 seconds of hydraulics, hence, maybe, the lack of spoilers ... will they stay up if they're raised, then hydraulic pressure fails?

I guess the reasoning, in general, is when the plane stops (in whatever condition it stops in) you already want it as close to "safed" condition as you can get for evac purposes.

Also, spoilers and thrust reversers are going to ADD pressure to the front landing gear, and you want absolutely as LITTLE pressure as you can get on that front strut, to prevent collapse.

Those guys did their landing exactly by the book and it turned out perfectly.

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RE: Any A.nutters See In Person Or Were On Board 292?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:25 pm

Thanks for the explanation, Litz...

Honestly, I thought the reason for not using spoilers and/or thrust-reversers had something to with their immediate impact on the ship itself-- perhaps rocking it abit side to side-- putting more stress on the damaged nosegear (where there is absolutely NO control)... but as I said, I'm no pilot and had no idea why they weren't used. Now it makes sense. It is certainly one of the most dramatic pieces of footage I'll treasure for a long time to come!

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