FlyBoeing
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EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 4:32 am

Can anyone give a reason why SO many foreign carriers fly into JFK rather than EWR, which is more convenient to Manhattan and New Jersey? I mean, you see Aer Lingus, Air Afrique, Ghana Airways, Malev, Varig at JFK. Only Continental, Singapore, Malaysian and Lufthansa come out of EWR. I feel that this is the prestige of flying into New York and not Newark (which really isn't so bad) and also that Kennedy's name is attached to JFK whereas Newark has no name for its airport. EWR has better facilities and a less confusing layout and is also better located.
 
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 4:47 am

FlyBoeing: You're forgetting Air France, TAP, Korean, and other internationals at EWR. I don't think it's the prestige of flying into NY, but rather JFK being better suited and designed to handle large numbers of international passengers.
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 4:49 am

BA flies out of Newark as well as JFK
 
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 5:09 am

Alitalia has flights out of JFK but have now also started 767 flights nonstop to Milan Malpensa from EWR for the summer in addition to the code share flights to Milan and Rome already in service with Continental.
 
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 5:12 am

I think Sabena and Swissair also fly to EWR
 
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STT757
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 6:12 am

The three NY area airports Newark,Laguardia,JFK are owned and operated by the Port Authority of NY and NJ.The commisioners of which are appointed by the Governors of NY and NJ.

Newark has seen a huge growth in foreign airlines,many such as SAS and Lufthansa have moved most if not all their flights to Newark.However like I said the Airports are run by commisioners from NY and NJ and the NY side is not happy about the erosion of service at JFK and have thus held up many programs at the Port Authority in order to get assurances that more effort and resources will be put into JFK and that no more airlines will leave for Newark.

It's a agency that has to keep a fine balance between growing Newark and at the same time not to up set NY politicians,who have veto power.


Newark has seen tremendous growth and will still see more foreign carriers,Newark has far more domestic connections.The NY/NJ region is big enough for two large International airports,and thats what the Port Authority offer along with Laguardia for the business travelers.
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 6:20 am

EWR is newer, that's all. JFK has been around for a LONG time, and has traditionally been a BIG international port. But, EWR is growing very quickly. I often fly out of EWR, and curently, Air France, Continental, Sabena, Lufthansa, United, Northwest/KLM, Alitalia, Mexicana, Air Canada, EVA, Korean, Singapore Airlines, Malaysia, Etheopian Airlines, VASP, TAP, SAS, LOT, El Al, British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, and Aer Lingus all fly out of EWR. (I've probably forgetten a few too.)
So, no, I don't think it's a matter of prestige, but more history. SAS used to be all JFK, and now they're all EWR.
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 8:54 am

I live near EWR and I think people underestimate the number of international flights that come in. When I bike I watch them land ( have almost gotten hit a few times by strying into car lanes). Besides the ones mentioned by AeroAussie I have also seen CSA and Swissair at EWR. It seems like every other aircraft I see is SAS!
 
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 10:44 am

AeroAussie- a point of contnention- Newark is actually the oldest of the 3 NYC airports- Mayor F. LaGuardia threw a fit because he landed there once in the 1930's when his ticket said 'New York', and that's when he ordered the construction of the airport that was later named after him- LaGuardia, Kennedy (formerly Idlewild) was built in the late 40's/early 50's...

The reason for the inequality among numbers of Int'l airlines is in my opinion the fact that JFK is a bigger airport and therefore has more room for airlines than EWR...
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EWR JFK Equal Footings

Thu May 11, 2000 10:47 am

One thing that can be said about these two airports is that they are both equally hostile and cold to airliner enthusiasts.
 
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Thu May 11, 2000 10:49 am

I think you have it all wrong... Newark has more flights and more passengers than Kennedy. It is served by so many international airlines it's unbeivable. KLM, TAP, Swissair, Sabena, British Airways, Deutsche Lufthansa, Avianca, Mexicana, Air Jamaica, Air France, Alitalia, Ethiopian Airways, Korean Air, Singapore, Malaysia, SAS, CSA, LOT, VASP, ACES, El Al, Aer Lingus, Virgin Atlantic, EVA and so much more.
 
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Fri May 12, 2000 12:12 am

JFK will not be the same airport after the current round of construction is done. At that point, it will be a better facility for passengers and airlines.
 
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Fri May 12, 2000 12:30 am

Newark is the first and oldest NYC airport,it's over seventy years old.The Sept/OCT issue of Airliners magazine has a featured article about the airports seventy years of history.If your interested in Newark airport this is a must read.

A couple highlights of Newark,
first airport anywhere with a paved runway,first airport anywhere with a control tower.first airport anywhere to have runway lights.

And next year the Monorail link to Amtraks North East Corridor will be up and running,allowing for connections from Manhattan and all over New Jersey on NJ Transit and connections all over the North East and Mid Atlantic on Amtrak.Also just announced are plans to extend PATH trains from Wall Street/World Trade Center,Hoboken,Jersey City, and lower Manhattan to the new Newark Airport Rail station
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Fri May 12, 2000 12:44 am

LOT has one daily flight from JFK as well from EWR.
JFK is more CARGO than Pax. All international cargo airlines fly to JFK. What about EWR cargo status? I know that FedEx is huge there.

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RE: Plane Spotting At EWR

Fri May 12, 2000 2:50 am

Although the new monorail was built to connect the terminals and long-term parking lots, the large windows and high elevation of this neat contrivance offer plane spotters and shutterbugs (not that I would ever admit to being either) excellent opportunities to photograph a wide variety of domestic and foreign airliners.

If you are shopping for furniture at the new IKEA store, check out the cafeteria, with its views of the southern end of the airport (though you would need binoculars or a telephoto lens to get good images).
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RE: Plane Spotting At EWR

Fri May 12, 2000 12:29 pm

Newark is pretty much overloaded. It is known as the 'delay' airport as planes have to wait up to 45 minutes during the rush hour to take off.
 
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RE: EWR Vs. JFK

Sat May 13, 2000 1:01 am

Yes! That is awesome that EWR's monorail is expanding to NJT (NJ Transit). Now all I have to do is walk down the street and board a train to EWR to get to my friends house. And it'll be a lot cheaper than parking at EWR ($5 all day!) and it would be delay free (depending if you make the train on time, etc.)
And yes, EWR is the oldest NYC area airport and it suffers from Hub Syndrome (Continental).

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