cayman
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AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:17 pm

Anyone know how the load factors and/or yields are on AC YYZ CCS service (I realize the routing is actually YYZ POS CCS YYZ)

I have had family on the YYZ CCS flight several times in recent weeks and every time we have been told the flight was "oversold" although they always got on.

Just curious if anyone has general info on how they are doing on the route? Thanks for any info---
 
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:22 pm

It usually goes out of YYZ full or almost full. (maybe 5-10 open seats, hardly ever less than that as I recall)
 
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:55 pm

Any indication of what proportions of pax are to POS and to CCS?

Any likelihood of the CCS service going stand alone again? Or if they are going to keep it with POS an upgguage in a/c?
 
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:06 am

From what I've heard it's always full. They use an A320. It's the first time an airline does this route since Viasa...
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:40 am

I think it's an A319 actually---not sure the A320 has the range.

Do you mean that Viasa used to fly to Canada?
 
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:09 am

This is one of AC's more challenging routes. I doubt that it will reach the critical mass required for POS and CCS to get their own non-stop flights. If the flight were to go non-stop to these cities,then each city would be lucky to have two flights a week. The current triangle routing allows the frequency to be what it is today and that's how you earn higher yielding fares because of the high load factors. Hopefully this route will become daily,then perhaps it will be upgauged to a B767,it's at that point,that you may see each city potentially get it's own dedicated daily non-stop A319 flights.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:24 am

AC has extremely high fares between CCS and YYZ. I tried to book a flight to YYZ from CCS during summer and there were no seats available in coach until late September, only business seats on selected dates were available.

I decided to fly CCS-MIA with Santa Barbara and then fly Southwest PBI-BUF. I then took a train in BUF to Downtown Toronto. The whole trip costed me around 30% of what AC charges on the route.

Quoting CayMan (Reply 4):

Do you mean that Viasa used to fly to Canada?

Yes to YYZ. With DC10s and A300s plus cargo 742s.


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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting CayMan (Reply 4):
Do you mean that Viasa used to fly to Canada?

Yes, just as Luis said, with DC-10s.

VIASA was a great airline with great routes. Unfortunately, we dont have that no more  Sad

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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 6):
AC has extremely high fares between CCS and YYZ. I tried to book a flight to YYZ from CCS during summer and there were no seats available in coach until late September, only business seats on selected dates were available.

That must be an indication that the lower fares were sold out, because normally AC is very competitive on the route on its best fares. usually the best fare base is around CAD$600 plus taxes--comes to about $800. Obviously that might vary somewhat depending on dates--and subject to availability---but if you buy in advance AC is at least as cheap as AA or any other connecting service and without the US transit hassles.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting CayMan (Reply 8):
That must be an indication that the lower fares were sold out, because normally AC is very competitive on the route on its best fares. usually the best fare base is around CAD$600 plus taxes--comes to about $800. Obviously that might vary somewhat depending on dates--and subject to availability---but if you buy in advance AC is at least as cheap as AA or any other connecting service and without the US transit hassles.

wow I only know that AC has always one of the best fares from europe to CCS... round about 600 to 800 euro fra-yyz-ccs-yyz-fra...

so I can imagine that the flights have some passengers from and to europe.

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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:48 am

Quoting CayMan (Reply 8):

That must be an indication that the lower fares were sold out, because normally AC is very competitive on the route on its best fares. usually the best fare base is around CAD$600 plus taxes--comes to about $800. Obviously that might vary somewhat depending on dates--and subject to availability---but if you buy in advance AC is at least as cheap as AA or any other connecting service and without the US transit hassles.

I was almost denied entry to Canada at the Niagara Falls, Ontario train station because the Inmigration Agent said my name wasnt legible in the biodata page of my passport. I showed her my valid Canadian Visa stamped in my passport in the Canadian Embassy in Caracas and told her that if they had given me the Visa was because they could read and verify all my data. 10mins later, she finally decided to stamp my passport with a not very nice face. In the US I always clear inmigration in less than 1 minute.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 10):
she finally decided to stamp my passport with a not very nice face. In the US I always clear inmigration in less than 1 minute.

wow normally I now that the other way.. 1 minute in Canada and 2 hours in the US
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RE: AC YYZ-CCS How Are The Loads?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 10):
I was almost denied entry to Canada at the Niagara Falls, Ontario train station because the Inmigration Agent said my name wasnt legible in the biodata page of my passport

You know, because of the Falls, there are many little drops of water in the air there. I'm sure that's why the agent was unable to read. Too much water in the eyes.... Big grin
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