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DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:18 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050922/ap_on_bi_ge/delta_bankruptcy

very sad

ATLANTA - Delta Air Lines Inc., the nation's third-largest carrier, said Thursday it will cut up to 9,000 jobs, reduce employee pay and make changes to its network to focus more on international flying as it moves swiftly to restructure its costs in bankruptcy.


The changes are part of the airline's effort to achieve an additional $3 billion in annual cost savings by the end of 2007. That's on top of $5 billion in annual savings Delta had previously said it wanted to achieve by the end of 2006.


Plus MORE pay cuts!

[Edited 2005-09-22 15:20:52]
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:41 pm

From the article DAL plans to cut flights by 15%-20% that equates to about a 9,000 employee change if you go by the 52,000 employee number that is listed in the article.
Also noteworthy is that DAL has cut 24,000 since 9-11 but does not indicate if any of that was outsourced (as in customer service and reservations). In any case 9,000 and 24,000 makes 31,000 employee change since 9-11 and leaves 43,000 employed.
If those numbers are correct that is about a 45% drop in employees since 9-11.

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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:50 pm

Another point that was brought out is that DL will be eliminating over 100 jets from its fleet. I wonder if this is in addition to the existing fleet retirements that were previosly announced (B723, B733, B733G & B762)? If so, hopefully they are targeting the high CSM RJs that were a major contributor to their financial condition.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:52 pm

Quoting Okie (Reply 1):
If those numbers are correct that is about a 45% drop in employees since 9-11.

this has happend in other industries also, take a look at companies like Lucent Technologies and Nortel Networks, both of whom have laid off between them probably close to 100,000 workers!!
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:05 am

This does not say anything about the pilot group..... are they status quo... or are they expected to have another round of DL Kool Aid..... and I am asuming the "topped out" CSA's are taking another 10 percent paycut.. Can anyone share the Grinstein memo..????
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:15 am

anyone in here know what the top out is at delta in customer service???
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 12:27 am

Fleet reduction will be from the previously announced reductions. The Types gone are 732, 733, 733Glass(shuttle),and 762. That leaves us with 738, MD88, MD90, 757, 763, 764, 777. The MD are to be retired begining in 2010 or 2012 I think.
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:19 am

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 5):
anyone in here know what the top out is at delta in customer service???

Happened about 10 years ago.... customer service at DL has been fading since then....
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:25 am

Top out rate for a regular CSA is $3,340.80 a month. Take off another 9% from that.... you're gonna see mass exodus from DAL. I myself plan on staying as long as I can bear it. The way I see it, the more people quit, the more I move up in seniority and move into vacated positions. Best of luck to those who move on to pursue other careers.
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:00 am

so about $17 an hour topped out ......WOW..... this is going to be interesting....
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:11 am

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 6):
Fleet reduction will be from the previously announced reductions. The Types gone are 732, 733, 733Glass(shuttle),and 762. That leaves us with 738, MD88, MD90, 757, 763, 764, 777. The MD are to be retired begining in 2010 or 2012 I think.

Any speculation on what will replace the Mad Dogs ? DL flies quite a few of them (not as many as AA, but still quite a few) .... is this where 738's will eventually be assigned? DL still has 738's on order, correct?

I'll sure miss 'em, that's for sure ... quiet, reliable, fairly comfortable (if you're on the 2-seat side), they're great planes.

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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:13 am

It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

You make it sound as if DL will keep the same number of planes, yet layoff thousands. They're not. They're reducing the size of their domestic network.
If a company has less infrastructure to support then obviously they will need less employees to provide that support.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

It may be that everyone else has to pick up the slack.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:27 am

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

That doesn't make any sense....Obviously if they are laying off thousands of people, they aren't "working as before." What they are doing is streamlining their operations so they CAN continue to operate - but certainly not as before. That's the whole point of going through this process - to make changes to a system that wasn't working.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:40 am

The word is they're reducing domestic capacity by somewhere around 20-25%. In turn, they're increasing international capacity by the same number. We've been told the Atlanta operation will not be downsized as far as employees go, and that the 9,000 workers will come from middle management and outstations.

It never did seem like much sense to keep actual Delta ramp employees in cities like HNL, ORD, MSY, and DFW when you only fly small aircraft a few times a day.
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:46 am

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 15):
We've been told the Atlanta operation will not be downsized as far as employees go, and that the 9,000 workers will come from middle management and outstations.

http://atlanta.bizjournals.com/atlan...005/09/19/daily26.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Summary:
"Bankrupt Delta will eliminate 7,000 to 9,000 jobs (17% of its total workforce) by the end of 2007. Of those cuts, about 25% -- 1,750 to 2,250 jobs -- will come from metro Atlanta, Delta Chief Financial Officer Edward Bastian said today at a committee meeting at Georgia's capitol.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 15):
The word is they're reducing domestic capacity by somewhere around 20-25%. In turn, they're increasing international capacity by the same number.

I hope reducing all that domestic capacity won't effect their international bookings. Now because they reduced my home airport (MOB) to three flights a day, it pretty much makes it impossible to get back to MOB the same day you arrive in ATL or JFK for that matter. But they are right for increasing international routes substantially.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:37 am

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 15):

It never did seem like much sense to keep actual Delta ramp employees in cities like HNL, ORD, MSY, and DFW when you only fly small aircraft a few times a day

So "outstations"...???? SEA, PDX, DFW will loose ramp.... I hought DGS already did ramp in DFW...???? I I hear DGS will take over ramp in SEA..???

Quoting DL763DFW (Reply 15):
We've been told

Told by whom?
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:43 am

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Thread starter):
very sad

um why? These cutbacks and more are expected....part of the process of entering bankruptcy protection....not really breaking news.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:44 am

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 11):
It always makes me wonder when a company lays of thousands of people and yet manages to carry on working as before. What were these people doing?

The reduction in force comes from grounding aircraft. All of "these people" were involved in supporting the 100 or so soon-to-be-grounded aircraft.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:56 am

I suppose the good out of this is that domestic capacity goes down, which this country needs badly. Maybe if Indy folds too we could see a bit of an upturn in the market. Anything helps I suppose.
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:57 am

What about places like PVD/MHT? I know that There was talk already becuase of the $$ they put into the new A terminal at logan. I wonder if PVD will loose their 757 service? Some downgrades? And MHT? Will they completly close this station? or downgrade service. And I'm sure theres many other metro areas in the country that have the same problems.

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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:01 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 19):
um why? These cutbacks and more are expected....part of the process of entering bankruptcy protection....not really breaking news.

It may be expected, however I like the thread starter still find it saddening that thousands of people may lose their jobs and along with it their livelyhood,
for something that is essentially not their doing nor their fault.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:16 am

Not only are we going to take a 9% pay cut, but there are going to be cuts with our insurance coverage-though right now we don't know if or how much the coverage for doctor visits and prescription coverage will be affected. We also found out that wherever you stand in regards to the pension plan, that is where you will stay, no more percentages added on. Vacations will max out at 4 week(unless you are already are at 5 weeks). The accrument of sick days now stops. You will now be receiving 5 personal days per year. If you already have a bank of sick days, you will not lose them. If you are hurt on the job, you will have to go on disability, there will be no more OJI payments. As a Delta spouse, there will be no insurance paid if something were to happen to my husband. Our 401K plan will continue to have company contributions(now in cash rather than in Delta stock as it was in the past-personally I think that is better). Granted this is pretty bad, but in the light of what is happening right now in New Orleans, Biloxi, Mobile, and soon in Texas, is isn't devastating.
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:32 am

Quoting CORULEZ05 (Reply 19):
um why? These cutbacks and more are expected....part of the process of entering bankruptcy protection....not really breaking news.

I agree it's not shocking just sad for the people affected
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:18 am

Don't forget that they have to now pay $50 a year for flight benefits. Thats better than having to pay $10 a segment or however they used to do it.

It is apparent that DGS will take over ramp in many cities, most notably ones like MSY, MIA, PBI, DFW, SEA, PDX, ORD, and possibly HNL. I've heard the only ramp city that won't see reductions other than hubs is MCO, due to all of the insourcing the ramp has there. It brings in a lot of money for DL and with all of the international traffic Delta handles there, DGS just wouldn't be able to keep up and DL would lose those contracts.

As for the pilots, Delta will have to go back to the negotiating table, but the pilots need to realize that right now, they don't have a pot to piss in, so to speak. They can negotiate and negotiate, but in the end, if Delta doesn't like it, they can just ask the judge to void the contract, and then the pilots will be working for what Delta thinks is reasonable. I had a pilot rush up to me today and ask me what I heard in the meeting. I began telling him about what is happening to us and the executive pay cuts and he said, "I don't care about that, what about the planes?", which I thought was sort of rude. I told him that they are retiring some of them and going to 7 types. He asked when the 732's would be gone for good(I guess thats his bird). I told him that I was unaware of the exact date, as we have a lot and some are on leases. He just shrugged his shoulders and said, "Well, at least Grinstein will have his golden parachute when its all over." I said, "Actually, his contract is a flat fee, no strings attached, and he is working with a 25% paycut, more of a cut than the rest of us." This pilot looked dead at me, smirked, and said, "Oh, they'll give him something" and walked off. What an ass this particular guy was.

Its just getting nastier and leaves me wondering what I'm doing here.

I know more and could say it but won't. What I can say is that I will enjoy seeing it happen.


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[Edited 2005-09-23 01:42:05]
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:36 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 26):
Its just getting nastier and leaves me wondering what I'm doing here.

Otto.... get out you won't regret it....

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 26):
It is apparent that DGS will take over ramp in many cities

Otto..... I have some of my old ramp rat buds in some of these towns.... what is going to happen to them..... are they just SOL or can they take an even bigger pay cut and work for DGS...???
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:48 am

Quoting Lono (Reply 27):
get out you won't regret it....

Not so much that I don't want to stay, I just couldn't afford to. I'm taking a pay cut, then 2 months later, getting a raise that was also cut, bringing me back to my current salary and won't see another raise for 5 years, I believe. And still have to pay more for healthcare. But those flight benefits are hard to give up.

Quoting Lono (Reply 27):
I have some of my old ramp rat buds in some of these towns.... what is going to happen to them..... are they just SOL or can they take an even bigger pay cut and work for DGS...???

Most likely, they will have a job. Its still unsure how they are going to work it, but as I was told, ALL of the displaced CVG folks will be able to have jobs, but they may have to transfer. As will the displaced ramper's most likely. Its still unsure how they may do it, whether they can transfer to open positions in stations, whether they can use a displacement process or what. Most likely and probably preferably for them, if there are any open positions in ACS for them, they will be allowed to move up there in their home station. After 7.5, many rampers in JAX did that and then sat there for another 8 years or so and just bided their time until they could leave. But after working on the ramp for so many years and transferring upstairs, some of them became damn good ticket agents.

Unfortunately, we don't know the rest until they come up with a viable process that will negatively affect the least number of people.


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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:56 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 28):
Unfortunately, we don't know the rest until they come up with a viable process that will negatively affect the least number of people.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and all my DL friends.... I hope for the best for DL...... GO WIDGET!!!!
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:52 am

I just talked with one of my friends in SEA (dept 120).. they are gone Feb 1st... Sad sad ... prayers are in order for these lost jobs...
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sat Sep 24, 2005 7:59 am

Quoting Lono (Reply 30):
they are gone Feb 1st... Sad sad

Are they gone as in direct furlough? Or gone as in displaced at that time?


I would think they would displace the workers and give them the option of transferring departments or stations, as I can't think of a time when Delta did just drop the workers without giving them an option first.


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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:13 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 31):
Are they gone as in direct furlough? Or gone as in displaced at that time?

Gone as in there will be no department 120 in SEA.... outsourced to DLG.... they were given LGA and JFK as cities to work in.... but you can't live on $17 an hour there..... that is really not an option....
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:15 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 26):
They can negotiate and negotiate, but in the end, if Delta doesn't like it, they can just ask the judge to void the contract, and then the pilots will be working for what Delta thinks is reasonable.

thats not exactly true. An imposed contract means the union is free to strike. And trust me, the Delta pilots are willing to strike. Delta doesn't want to go there. A negotiated deal will happen.
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:16 am

OH Yeah.... the message said "Your services will no longer be required in this station effective February 1 2006" The choices given was to work in LGA or JFK or take 13 weeks paid or 3 years non-rev limited benifits....

Like I said not much of an option.....
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:22 am

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 26):
Its just getting nastier and leaves me wondering what I'm doing here.

OttoPylit

Otto, stick with it!

Thanks for the always informative posts, welcome to my RU list.
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:48 pm

Quoting Lono (Reply 34):
The choices given was to work in LGA or JFK or take 13 weeks paid or 3 years non-rev limited benifits....

Like I said not much of an option.....

True, but I dare them to offer me that. If they offer me 13 weeks paid and 3 yrs non-rev benefits, you can let the door hit me in the ass on the way out. LOL

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 35):
Otto, stick with it!

Thanks for the always informative posts, welcome to my RU list.

Thanks Alitalia. Believe me, I wish I could, but I've been stuck on this decision for a few years now, trying to decide and the one thing that always wins over are the flight benefits. LOL But the airline industry is not safe, I've been furloughed twice(if you count one time when it was only for a day), displaced to another city, and now had my pay sliced and diced twice. Heck, its still better than what my counterparts at other airlines got, but it sucks, nonetheless. If I want job security, I know this industry is not it. But if I can find a secure job in the aviation sector, that might be something to look into. I'm still not sure what to do, I'll wait and see what my paycheck tells me in December.

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 33):
thats not exactly true. An imposed contract means the union is free to strike. And trust me, the Delta pilots are willing to strike. Delta doesn't want to go there. A negotiated deal will happen.

Yea, thats the spirit. Take a look at all those AMFA mechanics without a job right now. Granted, DL can't hire "replacement pilots", right off the street, but there are many pilots out there willing to take your place. Those mechanics wish they had done something other than strike and you will too. Strike, and goodbye Delta, goodbye pension, and goodbye to any captain stripes you may wear on your shoulder. This is why I don't like unions. Your union appears to be willing to send the company into oblivion just to prove its stronger, and while during negotiations, it only represents the pilots, but during concessions, they seem happy to want to speak for everyone; "It's time for management to recognize the employees' enormous previous contributions and focus real attention on the company's suppliers, vendors and lessors, as well as efforts to enhance the revenue stream."

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/050923/1168727.html?.v=2

Face it, in the end, when things are said and done, your union doesn't have a pot to piss in. Remember what that pilot said, Grinstein may get his golden parachute....you won't be so lucky. Please encourage your fellow pilots to think clearly before doing anything stupid. Don't go walking around thinking that you are immune to anything happening. Everyone else has had their cuts realized, its time you see it too. Remember what Grinstein said, "don't expect this to be painless." Write that down.


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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sun Sep 25, 2005 12:10 am

2250 of the 9000 employees to go will either be from Inflight Services in general or it is 2250 flight attendants...I don't remember what my F/A friend at DL said. But she thinks she will be getting her notice soon even though she flies for Song
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sun Sep 25, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting Deltadude8 (Reply 37):
2250 of the 9000 employees to go will either be from Inflight Services in general or it is 2250 flight attendants...I don't remember what my F/A friend at DL said. But she thinks she will be getting her notice soon even though she flies for Song

I am terribly sorry to hear about this mess. How do they work their urloughs? Reverse seniority? How senior do they need to be to keep their jobs? Anyone has info?
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:11 am

Inflight is eliminating the auxiliary program which an FA with 10 years of service can fly half the monthly schedule or less. There are about 1650 FA's that are in the program. A lot of them have other jobs or family care issues or do not need a full paycheck. They are expecting about 800 of them not to go back to full time flying. I think more will not come back.
Also, the reserve program or A days will move up from the bottom 25% which have 3, 6, or 9 reserve days, to distributing 3 reserve days to the bottom 70% of the FA group. I think a significant amount of FA's will retire or leave because of this. Hopefully this will mean a smaller number will be furloughed from the bottom of the list.
 
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RE: DL Laying Off Up To 9000 Employees

Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting Rainbird (Reply 39):
the reserve program or A days will move up from the bottom 25% which have 3, 6, or 9 reserve days, to distributing 3 reserve days to the bottom 70% of the FA group. I think a significant amount of FA's will retire or leave because of this. Hopefully this will mean a smaller number will be furloughed from the bottom of the list.

Good to hear they will try to minimize furloughs through this system. Considering FA's at say, AA serve reserve up to 16 years seniority, 3 full months out of the year, 3, 6 or 9 days does not seem as bad...best luck guys!

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