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Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:17 am

A big announcement regarding low-fare carrier Independence Air should be released within the next few days. More news as events unfold.
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:28 am

"Aircraft And Other Assets For Sale" maybe ....
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:30 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 1):
"Aircraft And Other Assets For Sale" maybe ....

what assets ?

the aircraft are all leased ,aren't they ? - if they get away with selling those I will be very impressed ( but the lessors won't be !)
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:34 am

"Pilots For Rent" then maybe ......
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:35 am

The announcement will be that Virgin America is buying their certificate and taking over their airbuses.
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:36 am

My guess its a 3 word phase

(wheel of fortune theme)

" Chapter __________ Bankrupcy"

Who wants to help solve this puzzle?
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:37 am

Quoting PassBureauMgr (Reply 4):
The announcement will be that Virgin America is buying their certificate and taking over their airbuses

Virgin America must first have investors that are U.S. citizens.
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:38 am

Hmmm.. moving their operation elsewhere with new financing.. returning all the CRJ... picking up $200 Mil financing, 8x 320, 10x E90, and 25x E70 through GE..

Announcing 2 new focus cities?

Dropping 3 stations?

International flights to NAS, CUN, and MBJ?

Beats the heck out of me..
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:38 am

They do!, and the Virgin name is being licensed byt he Virgin Group of the United Kingdom.
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:42 am

The Virgin America theory makes sense to me. Virgin America has been silent about its plans -- can't blame them with the condition of the industry. Still, this would be one way to kickstart plans -- while getting rid of a competitor.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:45 am

Could this be the reason Kerry Skeen & Tom Moore have been in SFO
for the last 3 days?
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:51 am

Branston's just sitting back watching what will be the fall out of the current CH11 sagas and can then cherry pick what he wants and pick it up at rock bottom prices.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:55 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
" Chapter __________ Bankrupcy"

99.99% sure this will be it
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:59 am

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 11):
Branston's just sitting back watching what will be the fall out of the current CH11 sagas and can then cherry pick what he wants and pick it up at rock bottom prices.

Branston? I think it's Branson. In any case, if a UK national uses his money to prop up a low fares airline in the US, isn't that a subsidy?

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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting PassBureauMgr (Reply 10):
Could this be the reason Kerry Skeen & Tom Moore have been in SFO
for the last 3 days?

Considering Virgin America's corporate HQ is in NYC, I don't think so.
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:15 am

Yes, but the Virgin America ops center is located in SFO.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
Branston? I think it's Branson.

Sorry, must have been thinking of the famous pickles, nearly dinner time  Smile
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:28 am

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 6):
Quoting PassBureauMgr (Reply 4):
The announcement will be that Virgin America is buying their certificate and taking over their airbuses

Virgin America must first have investors that are U.S. citizens

It could be a huge "loan" type offer like the one that WN made to ATA which made them a controlling partner. Virgin American could give a lot of money to Independence Air and rename and reform the airline. The company could somewhat stay intact with the owners of the current Independence Air having 51% share. If I had invested in Independence Air, then I would certainly approve of this deal since it is one of the few ways to possibly bail out and save the doomed carrier. The most valuable asset that Independece Air has is its operating certificate and that might be (partially) up for sale.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:39 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
" Chapter __________ Bankrupcy"

99.99% sure this will be it

Gotta answer which one...Seven or Eleven!
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:47 am

Given that the thread starter is an Independence employee and doesn't appear to be negative, I think the "big announcement" will be along the lines that they found an investor/buyer and not a Chapter 7 nor Chapter 11 announcement. It seems to me that they wouldn't "leak" that they were liquidating/Chapter 7 in a "few days" because too many employees and equipment would be stranded and not inclined to come to work. Theft and pilfering could become an issue should employees have advanced notice of a shutdown.

Of course, how much does a single CSR really know about big decisions in the company?!

We'll wait and see.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:47 am

Can you say 7, I knew you could. It would be about time that would happen. They barely had a plan to operate as a LCC, let alone a plan to manage a Ch. 11 BK filing. I see some pretty liquid assets in the very near future. The A gates would be more than likely turned over to MWAA and then redistrubited to other airlines.


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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:47 am

Not chapter _______.....it is something to announce the closure of a few cities and the adding of a couple new stations. One station will be "International" although you do not need a passport. It is not in Canada and requires an Airbus.....Not a BK file. Trust me.

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[Edited 2005-09-22 20:50:49]
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:51 am

Independence Air will change their name to Dependent Air.

Maybe they'll rename the airline DC Air, Eastern or People Express.

HA!
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:00 am

Quoting IflyI (Reply 21):
it is something to announce the closure of a few cities and the adding of a couple new stations. One station will be "International" although you do not need a passport. It is not in Canada and requires an Airbus...

Just my speculation, but the new Mexico-US agreement means that IAD-CUN will likely be the international route. I imagine that would be a lot more successful than IAD-NAS or IAD-FPO.. and either of those two could have been announced months ago.

As for other additions/subtractions, one has to think SEA would be on the chopping block with the transcon reductions. Maybe SFO and LAS too. As for additions, I'd guess DFW, IAH, STL, and/or SRQ.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 22):
Maybe they'll rename the airline DC Air, Eastern or People Express.

I kinda like "Pan Am Mk IV" myself...
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:10 am

Branson is in Missouri, isn't it?

I think merger is what INDY AIR has in mind. You do not hint you have a major announcment soon and then say " we're broke now".
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:38 am

I saw Aeromexico Codeshare on Independence Air departures, or someone on the Departure screen got it mixed up and accidentally added it to DH instead of DL??
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:45 am

Quote:
Of course, how much does a single CSR really know about big decisions in the company?!

More than you might think buddy, more than you might think...  Smile

Quote:
Not chapter _______.....it is something to announce the closure of a few cities and the adding of a couple new stations. One station will be "International" although you do not need a passport. It is not in Canada and requires an Airbus.....Not a BK file. Trust me.

Shush...let the masses keep guessing.
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:48 am

Here it is ! all I see is Acapulco and Cancun and others.

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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 18):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 5):
" Chapter __________ Bankrupcy"

99.99% sure this will be it

Gotta answer which one...Seven or Eleven!

I'd like to pick an S, a V, and an N. I'll buy a vowel...E!
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:51 am

If people claim to be in the know, why the guessing games??? Spill what you have and when the announcement comes out we will be able to determine how much you really did know. If you know something share it then we can debate what affects the announcement has on their future.  banghead 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:52 am

Dulles-Chiang Mai nonstop?

heh heh heh
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 31):
Dulles-Chiang Mai nonstop?

and a continuation to BKK one day back to IAD from BKK and from CNX other day. to pick up oh never mind, this wont go anywhere.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 23):
but the new Mexico-US agreement means that IAD-CUN will likely be the international route.

Tricky, Kohflot. Very tricky.

The new bilateral terms have been agreed but not signed. When it is (signed), an airline will still have to apply for the route, and it takes the DOT roughly six weeks to approve an uncontested application.

If it is contested by another airline (JetBlue?), it could drag on for months.

This creates problems. Most of the hotel rooms in Cancun have been allocated for this season - the airlines and vacation packagers like to have 'em lined up by mid-summer.

Then there is the matter of IAir's A319's and overwater ops, which they would need - unless they plan to hug the coast right around the Gulf of Mexico.

It is possible that they've been working on all this and have it all sorted out - but I don't know how they get around the DOT delays.

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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:06 am

It is again a secret for those who have not yet read it.

[Edited 2005-09-22 22:22:39]
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting IflyI (Reply 21):
One station will be "International" although you do not need a passport

SJU...."International"???? Residents of Puerto Rico are full blown citizens of the United States with a delegate in the US Congress. It may not be a state, but it's not international. Much like DC, US Virgin Islands, Guam, etc.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:14 am

LGA instead of JFK is a poor move, a lot of people had manually interlined to international flights via JFK on SA)">DH. especially SA, LY, CX, TG, CI, VS, RG, AI, PK etc and it keeps going. same was noticed with SFO/LAX by SQ CX CI PR and others.

SJU, I knew that was gonna happen, but thats not really international. I was kinda trying to fit something into why Tom Moore and sKeen went to SFO, and an international route?? lets see an A319, and no Canada?

SFO-CTS with fuel stop in Alaska? Hehe

[Edited 2005-09-22 22:17:24]
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:16 am

Quoting IflyI (Reply 34):
Sorry FlyCMH, I got to.......No more IND, SWF, SDF, or JFK as of Oct. 30. No more SEA or SFO as of Nov 30. Ops being moved from JFK to LGA with 2 daily A319s as of Nov. 1. Also, starting mid Dec. Flyi will serve SJU with the A319. Sorry to spoil it for all, but I had to!

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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:16 am

no, it is not international, that is why it was in quotes. It is not one of the 50 states tho.
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:18 am

Well, if you ask me, it won't be chapter 11 or chapter 7. If as someone suggested, it'd new intl service, that doesn't require a passport. Anywhere in mexico could be the target.

My guess, and/or theory would be that DH will be closing a few stations, probably DTW, and some smaller outlying stations. And opening a few more west coast stations (phx? would be nice), and maybe a west coast focus city. Kind of like what B6 did with LGB. but maybe they'll go a little bit further east, like LAS or PHX? And then they could easily open up a new Mexican city. But thats just my guess.

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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:21 am

Why can you still book SFO or JFK in January 06 anyway? on flyi.com if you say no ops after NOV 30?
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:24 am

you can book because the new schedule has not been posted yet. This happens in the next few days.

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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:30 am

United's winter daily flight to San Juan on Ted restarts on December 18. (I believe it's Saturday only in the off season). They'll likely move up the start date with the Independence Air announcement. United has the capacity now with MSY (New Orleans) flights still reduced and only restarting incrementally beginning next month.

[Edited 2005-09-22 22:34:39]
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting IflyI (Reply 38):
no, it is not international, that is why it was in quotes. It is not one of the 50 states tho.

Well THAT just narrowed it down...

Not Canada, not the 50 States, needs a 319.

STT or SJU

maybe NAS or FPO (don't thinbk you need a passport for those)

or Mexico (although I would have seen a DOT application for one of these - which I haven't.

Please spare the anxiety now; is PVD on the list of stations to be closed???

[Edited 2005-09-22 23:04:21]
 
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:59 am

I heard they will pull out of SAV effective October 31
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 25):
I think merger is what INDY AIR has in mind. You do not hint you have a major announcment soon and then say " we're broke now".

 rotfl 

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 37):
Quoting IflyI (Reply 34):
Sorry FlyCMH, I got to.......No more IND, SWF, SDF, or JFK as of Oct. 30. No more SEA or SFO as of Nov 30. Ops being moved from JFK to LGA with 2 daily A319s as of Nov. 1. Also, starting mid Dec. Flyi will serve SJU with the A319. Sorry to spoil it for all, but I had to!

This is all terrific. Yay.

But don't planes and fuel cost money, something which indy air has none of?

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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:22 am

Quoting Kohflot (Reply 37):
IflyI, remind me never to tell you any secrets.......

Ya no kidding...
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 25):
You do not hint you have a major announcment soon and then say " we're broke now".

This is Incompetence Air we're talking about here...I'd go with the S, V, N, and the E for vowels, but I'm not sure that they have enough money to pay for gas to get the i-tailed mini-truck to the Alexandria, Virginia courthouse...good thing there are fax machines...oh, wait, those were repoed too?  Wink
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 43):

Well THAT just narrowed it down...

Not Canada, not the 50 States, needs a 319.

STT or SJU

maybe NAS or FPO (don't thinbk you need a passport for those)

or Mexico (although I would have seen a DOT application for one of these - which I haven't.

Please spare the anxiety now; is PVD on the list of stations to be closed???

Egads... are they taking the defunct carrier's last stand and bringing the A319s to the Caribbean?
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RE: Big Independence Air News Forthcoming

Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:53 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 17):
The most valuable asset that Independece Air has is its operating certificate and that might be (partially) up for sale.

I'm kinda shady on this area, but I believe that Chicago Express, the former regional affiliate for ATA, put itself up for sale. It included something like one or two SAABs and, of course, the operating certificate. The DOT or FAA said that the operating certificate could not be transferred as the entire airline would be completely changed. I would assume this to be the case with Virgin America. All FLYi management (hopefully) would be ditched, the hub would be changed, the CRJs gone, A320s added and so on.

Please correct me if I'm wrong about the above information.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 43):

maybe NAS or FPO (don't thinbk you need a passport for those)

You will need a passport for all Caribbean destinations very soon.

A Chapter 7 bankruptcy would be a blessing in disguise for all carriers with large operations on the East Coast. The sooner those $39 dollar fares have a one before them, the better.

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