cayman
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AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:36 am

Any chance of AC reinstating YYZ HNL service or was it permanently cancelled?

I would have thought that the combination of O&D traffic from YYZ to HNL especially in winter, combined with the transiting pax on to Australia and NZ--would easily justify YYZ HNL on a 763?

Or is this another situation where the route would work but there is an a/c shortage?
 
ACgSpotman
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:44 am

Rumor has it this flight will be makig a come back in the fall as well as Johannasburg and Moscow.
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accargo
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting ACgSpotman (Reply 1):
Rumor has it this flight will be makig a come back in the fall as well as Johannasburg and Moscow.

Not this fall.

Quoting CayMan (Thread starter):
Any chance of AC reinstating YYZ HNL service or was it permanently cancelled?

It's a combination of lack of acft and low yields on this route. I can see it returning at some point in the future if fuel prices come down and the CDN stays up. It won't likely happen until some new metal starts arriving though.
 
cayman
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting Accargo (Reply 2):
It's a combination of lack of acft and low yields on this route.

I would have thought there would be enough business traffic from eastern Canada and northeastern US to transit through to Australia and/or NZ to result in reasonable yields.

And would there not be enough Y class or even discounted class pax to fill the aircraft and make it reasonably profitable? Perhaps not daily but even 3-5 x a week.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting CayMan (Reply 3):
I would have thought there would be enough business traffic from eastern Canada and northeastern US to transit through to Australia and/or NZ to result in reasonable yields.

And would there not be enough Y class or even discounted class pax to fill the aircraft and make it reasonably profitable?

if they would re-introduce the flights some european passengers could conect easier... as AC only offers nonstop conections to HNL from YVR with LHR and FRA origin passengers.

Other question I know that in the past LH had codeshare on the YYZ-HNL flight... have many LH passengers used this flight?

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cayman
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:31 am

Plus they may well get some northern latin america and Caribbean transit pax---from places that there is certainly no direct or connecting service and pax that prefer not to transit through US.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:33 am

Low-cost carrier Zoom Airlines is starting this route in December 2005. They will rely on pax connecting on-wards from their European routes for their loads. Harmony Airways also offers same-plane service via YVR on this route so there are options. And now with WestJet offering their flights to Hawaii, one could always fly YYZ-YVR-HNL or OGG on West Jet, personally Zoom's fares are very good so they should do well.
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accargo
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:34 am

There is definite potential for connecting passengers, but as I said, there is a acft shortage problem at this time. When the route was last operated it's yield wasn't the best. At the moment there are other routes that can provide higher yield than YYZ-HNL, so that is where the acft are being used.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:49 am

I recently noticed that AC has loaded a direct flight into their schedule. I'm not sure what the flight number is,but it routes YYZ-YVR-HNL with a return flight offering direct service. In regards to restarting this route non-stop,one has to bare in mind,that the route was last operated non-stop by CP when they had a code-share with QF and earlier with NZ as well,with a midnight connection hub operating at HNL in both directions. So yes at one time it did well,but things change. Today the route would have too much low-yield traffic and very little of the high-yield traffic that would be needed to sustain this route.
I'm very curious about the potential of the JNB route. It's been talked about for years.I would like to hear from anyone that can shed more light on this route,specifically why it would be started.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:53 am

I would like to see that route operate again, non-stop. Back in CP days, I always thought the flight did well. It was pretty much full whenever I flew it.
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:26 am

I would love to see AC reinstate the YYZ-HNL-MEL services.
The timing of the previous launch was always going to make it tough... Nov 2001 to August 2002.

But with daily YVR-HNL-SYD, and 3-4pw YYZ-HNL-MEL, AC would cover two major cities in Canada, 2 major cities in Australia, as well as offer non-stop HNL for Melbourne's significant population.
 
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RE: AC YYZ-HNL?

Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting ACgSpotman (Reply 1):
Rumor has it this flight will be makig a come back in the fall as well as Johannasburg and Moscow.

Johannesburg and Moscow? are u serious, has there been discussion, on this before where these rumors from?