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Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:03 am

In DL's Accelerated Transformation Plan, it is mentioned that DL has already voided the leases on 40 mainline aircraft. In addition it states that they plan to reduce the mainline fleet by another 80+ aircraft.

I am sure that the total includes all the 732's and 733's, plus the 762's they sold to ABX. That is a total of 75 aircraft, which means there is about another 45 to go. Anyone from DL know what other aircraft types are to be included?

[Edited 2005-09-22 21:11:14]
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:37 am

The bankruptcy filings by DL so far have DL have DL termiinating the leases and returning some MD-11s, some 727-200s and 30 FRJ 328s.

I am sure they will be filing for some more lease terminations soon.
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
some 727-200s

Did you mean 737-200's?
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:52 am

Due to this reduction which mainline routes will go offline, any news on that?
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting Pbiflyer (Thread starter):
it is mentioned that DL has already voided the leases on 40 mainline aircraft. In addition it states that they plan to reduce the mainline fleet by another 80+ aircraft.

The 40 aircraft already voided are aircraft that are not currently flying for DL. MD-11 and the Dornier Jets.

The remaining 762s, 732s, 733s, and 73Gs (thats a 737-300 with a glass cockpit for all you non DL types) amounts to just about 70 aircraft.
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:34 am

Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 4):
The 40 aircraft already voided are aircraft that are not currently flying for DL. MD-11 and the Dornier Jets.

I did not count the Dornier Jets since the comment in the plan was pertaining to mainline. If this is the case then there are only about 10 aircraft that are not accounted for in the total reduction of 120. Could that probably be the 16 M90's? That makes 126, but close to the total, since the plan mentioned 80+ more in addition to the 40 already gone.
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting Pbiflyer (Reply 5):
If this is the case then there are only about 10 aircraft that are not accounted for in the total reduction of 120. Could that probably be the 16 M90's? That makes 126, but close to the total, since the plan mentioned 80+ more in addition to the 40 already gone.

Dl could dump some leases from the 763 non ER's as hey have about 24 of those on lease, or they could be dumping the 8 ATR-72's that they have on lease and just be rounding up. Just my thoughts.

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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting Pbiflyer (Thread starter):
I am sure that the total includes all the 732's and 733's, plus the 762's they sold to ABX. That is a total of 75 aircraft, which means there is about another 45 to go. Anyone from DL know what other aircraft types are to be included?

DL will be accelerating disposal of all their older 737's - most of which are scheduled for expensive corrosion inspections in the next 12 months.
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:35 am

What happens to the spirit of delta? The employees bought that one...
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:54 am

I understood the article on Yahoo to be an additional 80 aircraft. If this is so, I'd see them removing the M90s and some M80's so they can have an all Boeing 7series fleet. Just my 2cents.

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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:57 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 8):
What happens to the spirit of delta? The employees bought that one...

Goes into the DL museum ...???
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:57 am

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 9):
I understood the article on Yahoo to be an additional 80 aircraft. If this is so, I'd see them removing the M90s and some M80's so they can have an all Boeing 7series fleet

The fleet is being simplified to 7 types: M88, M90, 738, 757, 763, 764, 777
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:57 pm

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 11):

Which a/c will be the additional 40 or 80?

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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:10 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
727-200s and 30 FRJ 328s

uhh? what's frj 328?? wasn't that a Dornier? and DL doesn't have those...
And the 727's have gone away long time ago.Are you sure you are talking about DL?


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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 13):
uhh? what's frj 328?? wasn't that a Dornier? and DL doesn't have those...

Although the 328s were operated by a regional, the leases were in Delta's name.
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:38 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 13):
uhh? what's frj 328?? wasn't that a Dornier? and DL doesn't have those...

As per their contract with ACA, they were forced to take over the leases for the 328s when they dropped ACA as partner due to ACA restarting as FlyI.

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 13):
And the 727's have gone away long time ago.Are you sure you are talking about DL?

While I also suspect it was simply a typo, just because a plane type is retired doesn't mean the leases are also over. DL had to pay all leasing costs for their 7 leased MD-11s, despite them being retired, and those leases have now been rejected, and the MD-11 is finally gone from DL's portfolio.
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:00 pm

How does this fleet reduction work with a possible NW fleet merger?
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:09 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 16):
How does this fleet reduction work with a possible NW fleet merger?

Let's see:

DL has 738, M88, M90, 757, 763, 777
NW has D9, D10, 319, 320, 330, 757, 747

I believe for NW D9s and D10s will go out the door as planned. Still there is plenty of overlap.
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:25 am

Plenty of overlap? I'm hoping you mean conflict. The only commonality between NW and DL fleets is 757, and even then, I'm not sure they have the same engines. (Do they?)
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:32 am

quote=Pbiflyer,reply=0]In addition it states that they plan to reduce the mainline fleet by another 80+ aircraft[/quote]

What about the MDs? Together they have 79 MD-88s and MD-90s. I It would make sense to retire those aswell.

I can see this fleet for DL soon:

737-800
757-200
767-300ER
767-400ER
777-200ER
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:05 am

Problem with dumping the MDs is they are dumping 79 jets with good capacity. Not sure that if they dump these along with the 732s and 733s they would have adequate coverage.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 7):
DL will be accelerating disposal of all their older 737's - most of which are scheduled for expensive corrosion inspections in the next 12 months.

Age will have much to do with what they retire/reject.

Anything coming up for a heavy check will be rejected to save cash, unless they just can't live without it.
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:10 am

Maybe UA can do a single-aisle swap with NW and give them their old 733 and 735 and get NW's new A319 and A320 in return  Big grin

The fleets of DL and NW may be a little closer than; engines?
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:22 am

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 19):
What about the MDs? Together they have 79 MD-88s and MD-90s. I It would make sense to retire those aswell.

Just to clarify it is 136.
120 M88's and 16 M90's.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 12):
Which a/c will be the additional 40 or 80?

The 80 are the active 732's, 733's and 762's. The 40 are the FRJ's and M11's.
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:34 am

Aren't the MD11's with World Airways??
And is ship 802 in active duty again?
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:49 am

I am surprised that they are keeping the small fleet of M90's. Are they
just too valuable on their hot and high SLC routes, or is it that they
would have a hard time selling them due to the low number of M90's
built and they are no longer in production?
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:21 am

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 19):
I can see this fleet for DL soon:

737-800
757-200
767-300ER
767-400ER
777-200ER

Sure would make sense when CO buys them...  stirthepot  Big grin
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:19 am

According to the AJC..... DL is changing from 11 to 7 types of aircrafts and increasing international frequency, while at the same time cutting CEO pay by 25% and other executives by 15%.
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:57 am

With so many aircraft retiring or being taken out of service, how many pilots are going to get furloughed?
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:17 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25):
Sure would make sense when CO buys them...

And inherits DL's $28 billion in debt.  Yeah sure

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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 28):
And inherits DL's $28 billion in debt.

Give or take a billion...and besides, that's why they're in CH11 - to reduce their debt!
 
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:17 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25):
Sure would make sense when CO buys them

With what money?
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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:46 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 25):

I agree with this as well. Since they will be reducing a lot of service according to all the news reports on this topic, it just makes since this is how their fleet will look but at the same time I can't see them getting rid of all the M8X series. They have a lot of them and though I can see them removing from service, they will still need some of them until and if they get more 73G series a/c.

Since DL will be focusing much more on international services I see them adding more long haul aircraft eventually.

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RE: Delta Mainline Fleet Reduction

Sat Sep 24, 2005 10:05 am

Quoting United787 (Reply 21):
Maybe UA can do a single-aisle swap with NW and give them their old 733 and 735 and get NW's new A319 and A320 in return

UA has different engines, non-containerized A320's. Also UA would have to spend a lot of money on training for their fuelers. All UA baby buses can be fueled under wing with the gauges next to the nozzle.

All NW buses are fueled by the belly with the panel under the wing.
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