cslusarc
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Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:05 am

Over in this topic Bad News for Mesaba... we learned that NW is terminating its lease of 35 ARJs to Mesaba.

What will happen to these 35 ARJs, when 25 are returned [early] to lessors and the other 10 are grounded?

Is there any speculation out there?

[Edited 2005-09-25 01:06:22]
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:08 am

Quoting Cslusarc (Thread starter):
Is there any speculation out there?

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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:23 am

They'd make a cool skydiving planes.

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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:41 am

Always thought with 4 engines and stol type performance they would make excellent aircraft for intra-carribbean service
 
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:45 am

Well Lufthansa seems to be swooping up ARJ's for City Line ops
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 3):
Always thought with 4 engines and stol type performance they would make excellent aircraft for intra-carribbean service

Carib Air of Barbados tried that. I flew them once ANU-DCF-BGI and return. The route stopped a few months later when someone found out that the 146 was not certified to land at DCF due to lack of runway length.
 
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:39 am

Here's More.....Spanjers is in denial phase.....
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 4):
Well Lufthansa seems to be swooping up ARJ's for City Line ops

would be cool for LH....
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:11 am

Does Mesaba still operate it's CVG hanger and domicile? If so, what happens when the ARJ's go? I have always thought they were created because of that airplane.
 
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:16 am

LH/LX group those seem to be the only carriers interested in it or maybe Asian Spirit (Phillipines) or Hemus Air(Bulgaria).
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:20 am

Just as in the other thread you have to remember that these MAY get terms of leases refinanced and then Mesaba's contract with NW reworked as well. Don't bury them till they're dead.

Northwest will have to definitely decide just which routes with which fuel efficient/inefficient aircraft a profitable load can be made. Likely you will see any new leases possibly be short term as pilot contract limitations will be targeted as well to allow newer second generation planes when they can be purchased.

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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:35 am

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 5):
Carib Air of Barbados tried that. I flew them once ANU-DCF-BGI and return. The route stopped a few months later when someone found out that the 146 was not certified to land at DCF due to lack of runway length.

Whats the runway length at DCF and whats the minimum a 146 needs?

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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:24 pm

Rumour has it some of them will be flying in AF colours next year.
 
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:15 am

They will not go to LX, as these are the ARJ85. Swiss is looking to add more ARJ100s.
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:18 am

Just out of curiosity how do you get an RJ from the United States to Europe?
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:23 am

You fly it through Greenland.
 
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:25 am

Doesn't NW lease the Avro, and then sublease the aircraft to Mesaba? In rejecting (or attempting to reject) the aircraft, is NW saying that leasing the planes to Mesaba isn't done at a profit? I would figure that even a small profit on the sublease is better than nothing.
 
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:54 am

Cityjet (operating as air france) will be sure to want a few.

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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:02 am

How about SN? They have a large fleet of ARJ and seeing that they like the lease-rates on them might pick up a few of those? I don't really know if they need any more though.
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:03 am

Indy Post 14, You stop at Halifax, Atlantis, Greenland and over to the British Isles.
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:49 pm

I think they'll end up with NW. This is just a game of chicken...the planes will end up spending a few days in the desert, then everything will be re-negotiated and they'll go back into service.

Look for a lot of NW aircraft to take short "vacations."

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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:54 pm

Maybe NW will try and trade them in for Emb 170s?
 
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:54 pm

They certainly won't be going to ASE anymore...
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:27 am

Hopefully the wounded duck sounds on landing will be re-installed on other equipment  Wink
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:06 am

I've never found any specs regarding fuel consumption on the AvroRJs. Are they big fuel guzzlers?
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 14):
Just out of curiosity how do you get an RJ from the United States to Europe?

Same way cessnas, pipers, canadairs, embraers, etc. get there. Throw some fuel in the cabin and make a stop in Greenland or Iceland.
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RE: Where Will NW's 35 ARJs Go?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:46 am

Quoting Nordair (Reply 24):
I've never found any specs regarding fuel consumption on the AvroRJs. Are they big fuel guzzlers?

I know on a trip from OKC-MEM we have put as little as 12000lbs and as much as 20600lbs of fuel. The 12000lbs being when it was VFR all the way and not a cloud in sight and the most when there was weather issues. If I remember I will look at one of the Flight Releases and see what the fuel Burn is from OKC-MEM?
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