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DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:06 am

Daily Orlando-Tulsa service begins 01Nov05:

DL 4880 MCO 1045-1240 TUL CRJ Daily
DL 4884 TUL 1415-1755 TUL CRJ Daily
Delta Connection is adding three new destinations from Orlando. I believe all the flying is being done by Mesa.

Daily Orlando-Oklahoma City service starts 01Nov05:

DL 4894 MCO 1855-2055 OKC CRJ Daily
DL 4895 OKC 0730-1115 OKC CRJ Daily

Twice daily Orlando-Dallas service starts 01Nov05:

DL 4901 MCO 1205-1405 DFW CRJ Daily
DL 4904 MCO 1830-2030 DFW CRJ Daily

DL 4869 DFW 0640-1015 MCO CRJ Daily
DL 4901 DFW 1430-1805 MCO CRJ Daily

They were also planning on announcing Orlando-Kansas City and Orlando-Toldeo with these routes, but I guess that has been put on hold. In addition, for those who missed the news, three of the six Orlando Mesa routes announced last month - Charlottesville, Chattanooga, and Fort Wayne - will not start as planned.
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Twice daily Orlando-Dallas service starts 01Nov05:

DL 4901 MCO 1205-1405 DFW CRJ Daily
DL 4904 MCO 1830-2030 DFW CRJ Daily

DL 4869 DFW 0640-1015 MCO CRJ Daily
DL 4901 DFW 1430-1805 MCO CRJ Daily

What type of market are they anticipating MCO-DFW? They just abandoned that hub/focus city and now they plan to go against AA's mainlines? Curious decision.
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
What type of market are they anticipating MCO-DFW? They just abandoned that hub/focus city and now they plan to go against AA's mainlines? Curious decision.

Well Orlando is a focus city of types for DL, so maybe they're hoping to snag some loyal Delta members in the DFW area? If this isn't their reasoning, then maybe there's something we haven't been told, because I agree. It is a pretty odd route to be starting out of the blue.
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:18 am

FYI these new flights are ASA flights. This will be the first time ASA will be flying out of MCO.

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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:04 pm

These seem like interesting choices for service! I would have thought this service was possible 6 months to a year ago when Delta was adding service to Orlando, Lauderdale and Tampa left and right, but at this point in time I do not know. While obviously there will be plenty of passengers, will the yield be high enough to warrant these flights. After slashing other Florida CRJ flights, can these flights really make it, especially with the much longer stage length? Will be interesting to see...

What about adding flights to FLL or TPA from these cities? If they think MCO can make it, what about those...
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:20 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Daily Orlando-Oklahoma City service starts 01Nov05:

DL 4894 MCO 1855-2055 OKC CRJ Daily
DL 4895 OKC 0730-1115 OKC CRJ Daily

I live in Oklahoma, so this is good news, thanks for the info MAH4546

P.S. now this is 96 scheduled daily departures

Cheers,
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[Edited 2005-09-25 07:23:01]
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:39 pm

Quoting Drewwright (Reply 3):
FYI these new flights are ASA flights. This will be the first time ASA will be flying out of MCO.

Actually ASA did serve MCO once about 1-2 years ago with one daily roundtrip from SDF Louisville (I think) but they have been in MCO in the past. But it's great news!
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:16 pm

These are ASA. Great...50 seaters too...not 40.

It's crazy for Delta to operate these with CRJ200s...these routes are NOT suited for the CRJ200s. OKC-MCO distance is over 1000 miles. This is going to be the longest CRJ200 flights ever operated by ASA. How would they expect to take a full payload on this? Maybe on the CRJ700s...I thought delta did away with these long flights on the RJs?

I have had to work plenty of SAV/CHS/JAX-DFW flights on daily basis in the past and the flight would often encounter serious weight/range issues. And MCO is even MORE distance compared to JAX-DFW. One of the good things that came out of Delta pulling ASA out of DFW was getting rid of all of these long ass CRJ routes from DFW. Not good for the passengers.

Mostly during the summer, not to mention TS would be all over the place, or sometimes just for traffic, Fort Worth Center would give these flights horrendous reroutes via IAH and worst case scenario they would stick them out to the west of DFW and come in from that side of the airport....oh and also RJs must be planned within 50 NM from land so it can't go over Gulf like American's B757 on the route. During the winter, it's the strong headwind over 100 knots going westbound.

Carrying an destination alternate and complying with all of these reroute is sometimes very difficult and impossible with high payload. I often had to bump significant amount of payload, planned a fuel stop or simply just divert immediately. This is not smart. I HATE to see ASA operate this...I sure hope I won't see it on my desk. Planning on MCO-MCI? That's nuts! Gotta be a joke.

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[Edited 2005-09-25 15:49:26]
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:23 pm

Do not be surprised to see DL announce MCO-LGW in the next few weeks. This move would be part of their 25 percent INTL increase and would put pressure on VS and BA. Not to mention it would allow DL passengers greater connection through MCO rather than ATL or CVG.

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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:22 pm

While it seems strange for DL to put RJs up against AA 757s and FL 717s, DFW-MCO is a huge market, and DL does still have at least a somewhat sizeable FF presence in the DFW area (those that haven't jumped ship for AA). I think they can fill up 100 seats each way per day. (Sidenote: ten years ago, DL carried 100 seats each way with one of their three daily mainline flights DFW-MCO. My, how times have changed!)
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:15 am

Does DL even have the authority to fly MCO-LGW?
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:26 am

Delta won't announce MCO-LGW. That market is full of leisure passengers (mostly British) that book packages with Virgin and British Airways. It's not a high yield market.

BA and VS make money on the route because of the volume, and the vacation packages they sell.

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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:33 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
(Sidenote: ten years ago, DL carried 100 seats each way with one of their three daily mainline flights DFW-MCO. My, how times have changed!)

IIRC, DL used to operate this route, at one time, with L1011's.
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:35 am

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 11):
Delta won't announce MCO-LGW. That market is full of leisure passengers (mostly British) that book packages with Virgin and British Airways. It's not a high yield market.

BA and VS make money on the route because of the volume, and the vacation packages they sell.

Rob

And that doesn't count all those flights from the UK to Sanford across town (and through all those f***ing toll booths).
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:02 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 12):
IIRC, DL used to operate this route, at one time, with L1011's.

They did. IIRC, over the years, this route saw CRJs, MD80s, MD90s, 727s, 757s, 767s, and L1011s, among perhaps others.
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:41 am

I would also imagine there are a lot of Delta Frequent Flier Miles still sitting around DFW. Taking a trip to Orlando (or taking the whole family) would allow some of those to also be used and get them off the books.
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
I think they can fill up 100 seats each way per day.

I don't think they'll ever fill up 100 seats per day westbound... because I don't think the CRJ has the legs for it.
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
DL does still have at least a somewhat sizeable FF presence in the DFW area (those that haven't jumped ship for AA).

Guilty as charged!  Wink There are a decent group of us left who refuse to leave mother Delta.
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:33 am

I really have to scratch my head on the RJ DFW-MCO decision. As it has already been pointed out, they are competing against mainline service with American and Air Tran on the same route. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that the long distance RJ routes did not work very well out of DFW before the hub was pulled. Why would anyone sit in an RJ for 2 1/2 hours or more when you can take a mainline jet? It is just strange that the hub would be pulled due to competition with AA and then you begin to creep back in with those same routes deemed to be unprofitable. True, there are some diehard DL fans in DFW, but a great many former DL customers have found alternative ways to fly out of here. I fear this may be a mistake....
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:13 am

I'm wondering why DFW-MCO wasn't started with Song instead - it would be a great way to head-off B6. Of course, I'm sure B6 will start the route in a few years, then the route would switch over to Song.

Why not start DFW-MCO/LAS/FLL, DL, and give those FF's some options, and give DFW a good LCC??
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:59 pm

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 5):
I live in Oklahoma, so this is good news, thanks for the info MAH4546

P.S. now this is 96 scheduled daily departures

And now we finally have nonstop service to Florida.
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:15 pm

As a skymiles/skyteam member going from OKC or DFW to MCO, I'd rather connect in MEM or ATL on two mainline flights than sit in a CR2 for 2.5+ hours.
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Mon Sep 26, 2005 5:08 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Does DL even have the authority to fly MCO-LGW?

I thought I heard an announcement for this flight while I was waiting for a lay-over in LGW in May, I could be wrong.
 
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:07 am

Quoting Db373 (Reply 2):
maybe they're hoping to snag some loyal Delta members in the DFW area

If they want the loyal Delta FF folks, they need to put an aircraft with business seats in the front. My company sends people to MCO ALL the time - no one flies the no-upgrade option. I am still a DL elite, but it probably wont be for too long.

This route will probably do well if Delta goes with a mainline aircraft. They could probably even do well with 3 dailies, there definitely seems to be the traffic based on my few trips on AA. Song might work better too.

It would certainly be nice to see a route or two for Song out of DFW. I think LAX, and JFK (and perhaps FLL) would do well under the song banner, but I know that is not about to happen either. Oh well...
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RE: DL Adds Service From MCO To Oklahoma, Dallas

Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting Ejmmsu (Reply 21):
As a skymiles/skyteam member going from OKC or DFW to MCO, I'd rather connect in MEM or ATL on two mainline flights than sit in a CR2 for 2.5+ hours

It will be interesting to see if passengers opt out for a layover at ATL (hub & spoke) vs a 2.5hr+ flight (point to point) in an RJ. The upside I see here is early morning out, late evening return in relation to OKC. Looks like a RON for the aircraft at OKC.

The downside is using a high seatmile airplane on a long flight, FF miles being used to take families to see the mouse, dumping loads to deal with weather, all chipping away at the yield.

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