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A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 4:55 pm

Did a search for this, but couldn't find it. If it's been posted already, my apologies.
Anyway, according to Airwise News (article dated Sept. 23rd), according to Airbus, the A380 is back on track:

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1127485039.html

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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:46 pm

It has been posted before, with a german link, but proved to be a misquote. It said there are to be no further delays.
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:55 pm

Last week someone on A.Net described the A380 programme as "a fiasco"...  sarcastic 
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:03 pm

This was being discussed but apparantly the original topic has been deleted
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:45 pm

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?id=10397

Luchtvaartnieuws is reporting that after Airbus hired extra personnel they have solved the issues surrounding the delay. Whether this indeed means that they have caught up on the 6 months delay or that there just won't be any more delays is unclear from the article. The article does say that the solution has been found without further exceeding the budget, which according to the article has been exceeded bij 1,45 billion euros.
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:28 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
Last week someone on A.Net described the A380 programme as "a fiasco"...

It was NAV20 most probably. He also said that Airbus was heading to bankruptcy. 2 or 3 years more and that will be over .  Smile
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:03 pm

So have they recovered the lost 8 months or are they simply looking good for the revised schedule?
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:09 pm

On a related note, Building the A380 is airing on Discovery UK at the moment.

They said the breakeven was 250, but I think that figure is out of date.
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:22 pm

Airbus hope to avoid any further delays on the A380. However, delivery date to Singapore Airlines is now quoted as 'November or December. 2006, which is later than the October date previously stated.

"The first plane due to be delivered commercially is one of five A380s taking shape under an undercoat of green paint in the assembly plant, with only the livery on the tail giving away its future owner -- Singapore Airlines, which will receive the plane in November or December 2006.

http://today.reuters.com/investing/f...TRIDST_0_TRANSPORT-AIRBUS-A380.XML

[Edited 2005-09-25 16:28:01]
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 5):
It was NAV20 most probably.

Not on this occasion. It was someone with a US flag.
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:29 am

"Airbus new Chief Executive Gustav Humbert told French reporters last week the cost of these would be less than 100 million euros but rowed back on Thursday, saying the final figure needed to be negotiated."

If it's "back on track" how come they still talk ~ 100M Euros for late payments???

Are they pre-announcing that they intend to still be 6 months late?

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 8):
Airbus hope to avoid any further delays on the A380. However, delivery date to Singapore Airlines is now quoted as 'November or December. 2006, which is later than the October date previously stated.

Does this make them 8 months late?
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:34 am

Yes, once again an A booster posts a misleading topic title. The A380 program is clearly NOT "back on track" but is "experiencing no further delays based on their new delayed delivery schedule" and anyone who tries to claim that is the same thing is fooling themselves.

Why must pro A people post misleading titles and anti-B people do the same? The truth is interesting enough, no?
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:49 am

7-8 months, Slarty.

That will be especially bad news for SIA. The November/February period is 'summer high season' in the Southern Hemisphere. Up to now, Singapore will have been hoping to have a free high-season run at the 'Kangaroo Route' - given that their competitors, like Qantas and Emirates, were definitely going to have to wait till 2007 for their A380s.

Now it looks as if they'll miss out on most, if not all, of the 2006/7 high season, like the rest. If they don't even take delivery of the first aircraft till November, there seems no way they can get enough into service to service the Christmas rush.
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:50 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Yes, once again an A booster posts a misleading topic title.

I know you like to attack me, whenever I say anything about Airbus but this time I didn't make the headline but the author of the article where the link points to. I mearly copied it, but I guess you couldn't see that. If you have a beef with that, take it with them. I'm sure there's a contact e-mail at the end of it.
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:07 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Why must pro A people post misleading titles and anti-B people do the same? The truth is interesting enough, no?

All those people you speak of must have learned it from the pro-B anti-A people who do the same!!!
  
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:22 am

Quoting Kappel (Reply 4):
The article does say that the solution has been found without further exceeding the budget, which according to the article has been exceeded bij 1,45 billion euros.

Interestingly, the $1.77Bn cost "growth" was mis-reported on here as actual growth, but was determined by Airbus at the time as "Cost growth RISK".

One assumes that there was already some idea of the programme delay due to harness re-design when the risk review was done.
Hence the comment "no further cost growth"..

I side with Ikramerica on this one - "back on track" means the programme is back in full swing with no FURTHER delay....
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:47 am

Sorry cheerleaders, but that article could equally read that the particular aircraft being painted in SQ colours is to be delivered at the time stated.

As it is prt of the test program then there may well be another frame delivered to SQ prior to that. Line number 5 could be the first to be delivered, not 3 which is now being built and will join the test flying.
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
Yes, once again an A booster posts a misleading topic title. The A380 program is clearly NOT "back on track" but is "experiencing no further delays based on their new delayed delivery schedule" and anyone who tries to claim that is the same thing is fooling themselves.

Why must pro A people post misleading titles and anti-B people do the same? The truth is interesting enough, no?

Shut up already. The first article of them all, the one in the Spiegel magazine, clearly stated that they where back on track (read: no 6 month delay any more). It was later revised, as has been stated here before.

And yes, this posts topic title is the exact title of the quoted article. So where's your problem? Obviously you can't do without a 'lil A. vs. B. retoric. That's nothing else but piss-poor.
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
I side with Ikramerica on this one - "back on track" means the programme is back in full swing with no FURTHER delay....

But a FURTHER delay, it appears *was* snuck into the announcement ... as per NAV20's post:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 8):
However, delivery date to Singapore Airlines is now quoted as 'November or December. 2006, which is later than the October date previously stated.

So delivery to SQ could now be 7-8 months late now, rather than the 6 months that had been officially reported before? If so, the title for this journalistic blather is even more inappropriate ... LOL
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:03 am

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 5):
It was NAV20 most probably. He also said that Airbus was heading to bankruptcy. 2 or 3 years more and that will be over .

Total Hogwash. Airbus has a good 5 years left. Give or take 20 weeks.
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:10 am

There was also an article on that website saying that Air Canada had reached an agreement with it's pilots regarding the 777s and 787s. Does this mean the order will soon be back on?
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 17):
Shut up already. The first article of them all, the one in the Spiegel magazine, clearly stated that they where back on track (read: no 6 month delay any more). It was later revised, as has been stated here before.

And yes, this posts topic title is the exact title of the quoted article. So where's your problem? Obviously you can't do without a 'lil A. vs. B. retoric. That's nothing else but piss-poor.

The problems are that news out of Toulouse these days is no different than 346 revenue performance figures. Or, to say, "The Twilight Zone."  Smile

Every airline knows it as well. Oh, by the way, anyone heard form Mr. Leahy latey? He is the reason Airbus is in it's current position with all his wild hype and fiction during the lead up to the 380.

Of course one cant blame him for the redesigns of the (F) & (R) Fuse, Wing Structure, Gear, and Horizontal Stab Harmonics.

I'm sure things will be relatively ok at some point. However, SQ taking delivery in 7-8 months is a dream as of today. They will wait though. As the airframes will be mostly cost free by the time they take delivery.  Smile
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:28 am

Quoting RJ777 (Reply 20):
There was also an article on that website saying that Air Canada had reached an agreement with it's pilots regarding the 777s and 787s. Does this mean the order will soon be back on?

Yes. Air Canada has been burning the midnight oil behind the scenes to keep what is left of their slots.

Kudos to Boeing for leaving the door slightly open for them. Boeing could have easily done away with all the slots.
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:35 am

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 14):
All those people you speak of must have learned it from the pro-B anti-A people who do the same!!!

Pardon me, I mistyped and was not trying to start a flame war by any means, but trying to STOP such wars for maybe one thread.

I meant to type:

"Why must pro A people post misleading titles and anti-A people do the same? The truth is interesting enough, no?"

I was not implying it was only one sided, only my typo did result in that coming out.

Quoting Milan320 (Reply 13):
I know you like to attack me, whenever I say anything about Airbus but this time I didn't make the headline but the author of the article where the link points to. I mearly copied it, but I guess you couldn't see that. If you have a beef with that, take it with them. I'm sure there's a contact e-mail at the end of it.

Sorry, but that's no excuse. You can quote anyone you want, but that doesn't make what they say true or your motivations neutral.

But if you must quote misleading headlines, you also MUST use quotes yourself. If those are not your words, you MUST use quotes to reflect that, or you are seen to either agree with the words, or worse, you are attributing someone else's words to yourself.

Next time you quote somebody else, especially in a topic heading, and don't want to take any responsibility for it  Wink you should try this:

"A380 Back On Track After Delays" says article

Anyone who read that title would not have the right to think you had any personal bias nor that you were taking someone else's words.

And as my typo shows, mistakes are made all the time. But when I notice a mistake, I don't get all bitter and defensive, but correct myself. So now you know that in the future, words that are not your own need to be attributed.

Oh, and movie titles should be in quotes or italics as well. Big grin
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:56 am

Quoting Milan320 (Thread starter):
Anyway, according to Airwise News (article dated Sept. 23rd), according to Airbus, the A380 is back on track:

Thank you for posting that, Milan320.

I plan to book myself on an early flight, so, at my age, when it enters service is of considerable interest to me.  Smile

If SQ or QF don't bring it to AKL, I'll just have to go to where the plane is.

Odd that so many people here don't find this exciting - or even interesting, it seems.

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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:33 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 24):
If SQ or QF don't bring it to AKL, I'll just have to go to where the plane is.

Odd that so many people here don't find this exciting - or even interesting, it seems.

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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:02 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
try EK, I'm sure you'll get on theirs.

I'm not sure that Emirates have plans for the A380 at AKL yet?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 25):
I don't like to fly on the 747 as it is

I love the 747, especially the 400. It give me a sense of "going somewhere", not just puddle jumping.

Mind you, once I also flew from Melbourne to LAX via Brisbane, Noumea, Nauru, Guam and Honolulu.

The journey is everything for me, I really don't care what sort of plane it is - I wish Frontier would buy some Tupolevs.  Smile

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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:14 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 26):
I'm not sure that Emirates have plans for the A380 at AKL yet?

not sure myself..I wouldn't think there would be a market for that route justifying The WhaleJet...

Quoting Mariner (Reply 26):
I love the 747, especially the 400. It give me a sense of "going somewhere", not just puddle jumping.

last time I flew on a 747-400 was in Jan 2004 BA-LHR-PHL.........I prefer their 777-200ER's any day... yes 

Quoting Mariner (Reply 26):

Mind you, once I also flew from Melbourne to LAX via Brisbane, Noumea, Nauru, Guam and Honolulu.

Last month, I flew KHI-DXB-CDG-LHR-JFK-DFW-SJC......I could have flown KHI-LHR-SFO...that probably would have been easier...

Quoting Mariner (Reply 26):
The journey is everything for me, I really don't care what sort of plane it is - I wish Frontier would buy some Tupolevs.  Smile

Though the journey is important for me, I still prefer getting to my destination comfortably....

Some how I got the feeling that's (F9 and Tupolevs) not happening anytime soon!  no 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:41 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 27):
I still prefer getting to my destination comfortably.

You can only be comfortable in a 777? Gosh.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 27):
Some how I got the feeling that's (F9 and Tupolevs) not happening anytime soon!

I agree. How sad is that?  brokenheart 

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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:02 pm

Quoting Mariner (Reply 28):

You can only be comfortable in a 777? Gosh.

quite honestly, I'm not sure what I meant by that statement.... confused ...maybe I shouldn't be watching American football while typing responses on A.net... no 

Quoting Mariner (Reply 28):
I agree. How sad is that?

umm..I don't think I'll lose sleep over it....... Wink
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:19 pm

This paragraph in the original story caught my eye:-

"Airbus new Chief Executive Gustav Humbert told French reporters last week the cost of these would be less than EUR100 million but rowed back on Thursday, saying the final figure needed to be negotiated."

I recall him making the 'under E100M.' comment. On the face of it, it looks as if he made a mistake, and someone had to take him aside, tell him that he'd got the figure wrong, and persuade him to set the record straight.

Thing is, relations with the A380 customers (particularly Qantas and SIA, who have extensive RFPs out for numerous additional new aircraft at this moment) has to be (or SHOULD be) among Airbus' top priorities at the moment.

One would expect that the President and Chief Executive of Airbus would have known the exact, up-to-the-minute position on compensation negotiations with key customers of that kind. The fact that he didn't makes you wonder who at Airbus is running things, if he isn't?
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:52 pm

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 22):
Kudos to Boeing for leaving the door slightly open for them. Boeing could have easily done away with all the slots.

Oh yeah. It was an act of pure altruism...  sarcastic 
 
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RE: A380 Back On Track After Delays

Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:31 pm

So does anyone know when and where the A380 will make her UK debut?
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