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Nice To See AA 2x Daily On ORD-JFK!

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:33 am

AA4682 ORD 8:10A-JFK 11:24A ERD
AA4683 JFK 12:15P-ORD 1:46P ERD
AA4684 ORD 2:25P-JFK 5:40P ERD
AA4685 JFK 6:20P-ORD 8:11P ERD

Nice to see that one of these flights is designed for O&D traffic, specifically the first flight in each direction.
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:34 am

I would predict when/if the JFK operations begin to increase, these flights would move to mainline.
 
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RE: Nice To See AA 2x Daily On ORD-JFK!

Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:35 am

Additionally, at $216.90 roundtrip, the fares are pretty reasonable as well...
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:41 am

I am surprised there is even any traffic between these two airport....JFK is mainly international and most major international destination served from JFK are also served from ORD...I would see more traffic between ORD and LGA
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 7:40 am

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 3):
I am surprised there is even any traffic between these two airport....JFK is mainly international and most major international destination served from JFK are also served from ORD...I would see more traffic between ORD and LGA

I'm sure there is lots between ORD and JFK, there are millions of people that live around both ORD and JFK.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
I'm sure there is lots between ORD and JFK, there are millions of people that live around both ORD and JFK.

Yeah but like I said the traffic is bigger to LGA since more of a domestic flight......it makes no sense to me.....most people that fly AA from ORD-JFK make NYC their final destination and are not going international so why go throguh JFK hassel and not LGA
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:17 am

I wonder if this has to do with the fact AA will be starting their ORD-DEL flight also.....I think AA should also start a JFK-DEL flight too...
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
Additionally, at $216.90 roundtrip, the fares are pretty reasonable as well...

Apparently, my suggestion in the other thread that fares would make O&D impractical a la OH was incorrect...

[Edited 2005-09-26 02:22:53]
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:26 am

This seems like a good move on AA's part. I live on the South Shore, and JFK is the most convenient airport to me (and the million people that live within 15 miles from me). I want to go to Chicago next summer and now I actually have a flight from the most convenient airport.

I don't understand why people think that there is no demand for JFK-ORD. There is! Long Island is a HUGE area and LGA isn't the most convenient airport for most of us -- especially for those who live in Jamaica, Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Freeport, Merrick...the list goes on and on.

When B6 gets on this route they'll make a killing.

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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:30 am

Finally. Although LGA is preferable, the ORD-JFK market does need some passenger service as it is already hard and expensive to get to JFK from many midwest destinations. Also there will probably be some people continuing on to other international flights. There are a number of airlines that serve JFK but not ORD. Even if AA does not interline, it will still make connecting to these easier even if you do have to buy two ticket. I hope UA counters and adds their own service as well!
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 8):



Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 8):
This seems like a good move on AA's part. I live on the South Shore, and JFK is the most convenient airport to me (and the million people that live within 15 miles from me). I want to go to Chicago next summer and now I actually have a flight from the most convenient airport.

I don't understand why people think that there is no demand for JFK-ORD. There is! Long Island is a HUGE area and LGA isn't the most convenient airport for most of us -- especially for those who live in Jamaica, Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Freeport, Merrick...the list goes on and on.

When B6 gets on this route they'll make a killing.

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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:45 am

ORD & JFK are slot-controlled international hub airports. Maybe that's one of the reasons there is little demand for ORD-JFK.
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:47 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
I'm sure there is lots between ORD and JFK, there are millions of people that live around both ORD and JFK

Chicago-NYC is a business route, not leisure. They (Business Travelers) want to go to Fairfield CT, Westchester, Manhattan and Northern NJ.

There's no originating business in Queens or Brooklyn, and most of the Long Island Business traffic is along the North Shore (LGA) or closer to Islip.
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting September11 (Reply 11):
ORD & JFK are slot-controlled international hub airports. Maybe that's one of the reasons there is little demand for ORD-JFK.

Tokyo is slot controlled and Tokyo gets more flights from JFK than does Chicago (both ORD and MDW).
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:54 am

Quoting September11 (Reply 11):
ORD & JFK are slot-controlled international hub airports. Maybe that's one of the reasons there is little demand for ORD-JFK.

Factually wrong. ORD is not slot-controlled at all, however, there is an agreement between the DOT and certain carriers (the LCC's, plus United and American) to not have more than a certain number of flights, and to have some of their flights run outside of the peak afternoon hours. However, Continental, Delta, Northwest, US Airways, and the international carriers are not a party to this agreement, and are able to add flights at will, although obviously limited by real estate.

JFK is slot-controlled during the peak evening hours, however, during much of the day, JFK is not slot-controlled at all (and you can spot Norm Duke practicing his bowling on 13R/31L during the off-peak hours if you wait long enough).

The only two US airports that are slot-restricted around the clock for capacity are New York-LaGuardia and Washington-National, and LaGuardia's (sadly) go away on January 1, 2007.
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:59 am

Norm Duke placed 2nd in Tokyo today (Sunday).   I bet he will fly through JFK when returning to the USA.

I am sorry - your right - ORD is not slot-controlled. I could have say both ORD and JFK are time-controlled airports?



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Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:00 am

Never mind. Double post.

[Edited 2005-09-26 03:04:40]
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 6:09 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
I think AA should also start a JFK-DEL flight too

That may be in the works. I spoke to a sales rep from our NYC office (who is Indian herself and is a member of our Indian and South Asian Employees Resource Group) and she told me AA is less enchanted with serving BOM through BRU as has been considered, and is looking at a JFK-DEL nonstop that might continue on to BOM. American is trying to find routes where the 777s can be used for the highest possible yields.
 
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Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:15 pm

All I can say is it's about damn time. I wonder if they are doing this because Delta Coneection is about to add a second round trip on the same route. Mmmmm...  scratchchin 

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Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 17):
That may be in the works. I spoke to a sales rep from our NYC office (who is Indian herself and is a member of our Indian and South Asian Employees Resource Group) and she told me AA is less enchanted with serving BOM through BRU as has been considered, and is looking at a JFK-DEL nonstop that might continue on to BOM. American is trying to find routes where the 777s can be used for the highest possible yields.

Trust me, that is not happening. JFK-DEL would only serve to hurt themselves on their own ORD-DEL more than anything. AA will launch service to Bombay in 2006 via somewhere in Europe.
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:00 am

Only two AA flights ORD-JFK and back again a day?? that really surprices me!
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:04 am

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 3):
I am surprised there is even any traffic between these two airport....JFK is mainly international and most major international destination served from JFK are also served from ORD...I would see more traffic between ORD and LGA

JFK is better connected to the rest of NYC than LGA, and there are many who find JFK the closer airport

Quoting September11 (Reply 11):
ORD & JFK are slot-controlled international hub airports.

Neither airport is slot controlled. There is some ATC flow control, but no official slot controls

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 14):
The only two US airports that are slot-restricted around the clock for capacity are New York-LaGuardia and Washington-National, and LaGuardia's (sadly) go away on January 1, 2007.

Actually, both LGB and SNA are also slot controlled
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 5):
Yeah but like I said the traffic is bigger to LGA since more of a domestic flight......it makes no sense to me.....most people that fly AA from ORD-JFK make NYC their final destination and are not going international so why go throguh JFK hassel and not LGA

I don't get why you people think there is no domestic demand at JFK. There are millions of people that live around JFK. Why the hell have to drive to LGA when you can use JFK.

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 8):
This seems like a good move on AA's part. I live on the South Shore, and JFK is the most convenient airport to me (and the million people that live within 15 miles from me). I want to go to Chicago next summer and now I actually have a flight from the most convenient airport.

I don't understand why people think that there is no demand for JFK-ORD. There is! Long Island is a HUGE area and LGA isn't the most convenient airport for most of us -- especially for those who live in Jamaica, Valley Stream, Lynbrook, Baldwin, Rockville Centre, Freeport, Merrick...the list goes on and on.

When B6 gets on this route they'll make a killing

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Quoting STT757 (Reply 12):
Chicago-NYC is a business route, not leisure. They (Business Travelers) want to go to Fairfield CT, Westchester, Manhattan and Northern NJ.

I highly disagree, while there are a lot of business people using LGA (obviously) there are a lot of people that live closer to JFK then LGA and want to go to Chicago. These Eagle flights are timed for leisure and connections.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
JFK is better connected to the rest of NYC than LGA, and there are many who find JFK the closer airport



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22):
I don't get why you people think there is no domestic demand at JFK. There are millions of people that live around JFK. Why the hell have to drive to LGA when you can use JFK.



Quoting Iowaman (Reply 22):
I highly disagree, while there are a lot of business people using LGA (obviously) there are a lot of people that live closer to JFK then LGA and want to go to Chicago

Queens has no Central Business District, there are no large Corporations based there unless you want to count B6 but they are not large nor generating business travel.

Business Travelers want to go where there are busineses, Manhattan, Northern New Jersey, Fairfield County CT and Westchester is where the Region's business districts are located.

There is no demand for business travel to Chicago from Jamaica Queens, Howard Beach, the Rockaways or the South Shore of Long Island. These areas are mostly bedroom communities, Long Island has almost no corporate presence and what there is tends to be closer to Islip or the North Shore (LGA).

The immigrant populations of Myrtle Avenue and the retired teachers and fire fighters in the Rockaways do not need travel to Chicago, they want to go to Florida and Vegas which makes up the bulk of Domestic travel from JFK save the Trans-cons unable to operate from LGA due to range restrictions.

If there was demand for JFK-Chicago flights people would be serving the route, B6 thought JFK-BUF, ROC, BTV, FLL, SJU etc were in demand and they were right. If AA, UAL or B6 thought there was demand for JFK-Chicago flights they would have been on it years ago.

Fact is immigrant communities around Queens generate more demand for travel to Guyanna, Hati and Jamaica from JFK than Business travel from JFK to Chicago.
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:41 am

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 17):

That may be in the works. I spoke to a sales rep from our NYC office (who is Indian herself and is a member of our Indian and South Asian Employees Resource Group) and she told me AA is less enchanted with serving BOM through BRU as has been considered, and is looking at a JFK-DEL nonstop that might continue on to BOM. American is trying to find routes where the 777s can be used for the highest possible yields.

thanks for the info....right now, the ORD-DEL flight works pefectly for a DEL-BOM codeshare connection with 9W.....I wouldn't be surprised if AA does that for JFK-DEL flight also....

however, to really get these routes going, they need probably 2 flights a day or have 9W make better connections because besides 9W's DEL-BOM connection, there aren't any connecting flights to other parts of India yet....and I don't think I would want to overnight it @ DEL airport.... no 
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
Queens has no Central Business District, there are no large Corporations based there unless you want to count B6 but they are not large nor generating business travel.



Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
There is no demand for business travel to Chicago from Jamaica Queens, Howard Beach, the Rockaways or the South Shore of Long Island. These areas are mostly bedroom communities, Long Island has almost no corporate presence and what there is tends to be closer to Islip or the North Shore (LGA).

So what if there isn't demand for business travel to Chicago, there are millions of people that live there that want to go to Chicago as well as all the places you can connect to.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
Queens has no Central Business District, there are no large Corporations based there unless you want to count B6 but they are not large nor generating business travel.

LGA is in Queens as well
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:34 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 25):
there are millions of people that live there that want to go to Chicago as well as all the places you can connect to.

Obviously not otherwise AA (hubs in Chicago and JFK) UAL (Based in Chicago) and or B6 (based in Queens) would be serving their needs. Chicago is not a big tourist destination especially for NY'ers, NYC-Chicago is as busy as it is because of Commerce.

Chicago is the second largest Central Business District in the Country, however culturally there are almost no links between the residents of the two areas.

Chicago has strong cultural ties to the Mississippi river States especially, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi etc..

NYC has ties to the Carolinas and Florida.

If your not a business traveler or looking to vaction in the Windy City what reasons would you want to fly to Chicago if your from Queens?.. Catch a Mets vs Cubs game?..

It's not just Chicago, Denver, Atlanta, Detroit, Cleveland, Houston, Dallas, Boston, Washington, Toronto, Kansas City, St.Louis, Minneapolis etc all have far greater service from EWR and LGA than JFK.

The only Domestic routes that get any adequate service from JFK are the Trans-Cons (for obvious reasons), Las Vegas and Florida.

Besides LA and SF all the others are leisure routes.
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:52 am

It doesn't matter if there is very little business between LI and Chicago. I live on Long Island, and I want to go to Chicago! And so do others. You're forgetting that Long Island hosts Hofstra, LIU, Adelphi, Stonybrook and a plethora of other colleges and universities.

I'm sure if B6 serviced the route then it would pick up popularity...low fares on Long Island's most popular airline is certainly a winning combo. People no longer will have to drive there if they want to go...flying on B6 for $79 o/w would certainly pick up some traffic.

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Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:04 am

Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 28):
It doesn't matter if there is very little business between LI and Chicago. I live on Long Island, and I want to go to Chicago!

There are plenty of WN flights from Islip to MDW, but AA dropped their Islip-ORD flights recently.

Maybe that's the reason for the new AA ERJ JFK-ORD flights, the LI folks who flew AA from Islip will now have to drive further West to JFK.
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:07 am

Also, many individuals who work in Manhattan, or the North Shore of Long Island, have homes in Southern Long Island. They may also find JFK more convienent, when leaving their home first thing on the way to a business trip.
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:12 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 29):
Maybe that's the reason for the new AA ERJ JFK-ORD flights, the LI folks who flew AA from Islip will now have to drive further West to JFK

AA is most likely planning to start more JFK only European routes, thus they want ORD passengers to feed into this. I'm sure this is another reason for the flights, if not the biggest one. JFK is going from 1xdaily, to 4xdaily flights into ORD. Its a start..
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:19 am

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 31):
AA is most likely planning to start more JFK only European routes, thus they want ORD passengers to feed into this. I'm sure this is another reason for the flights, if not the biggest one. JFK is going from 1xdaily, to 4xdaily flights into ORD. Its a start..

I hope that this new route is also a harbinger for other future Eagle growth at JFK coming off the complete bottom around 2002-2003, when they cut virtually all Eagle flying from JFK beyond BOS, DCA, YUL and RDU. We've gotten CLE back, along with new flights to YYZ, YHZ and ORD. I think that, among others, 1-2 daily ERDs JFK-BDL/BUF/CMH/DTW would also be successful.
 
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:52 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
Actually, both LGB and SNA are also slot controlled

Long Beach and Orange County are slot-controlled, but because of NIMBY's who are afraid of too much noise, not because the airfield cannot handle the traffic.
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Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:13 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 9):
I hope UA counters and adds their own service as well!

There aren't any connection opportunities at JFK for UA, so while UA has a bigger hub at ORD, AA apparently needs the connections to make it work

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 14):

Factually wrong. ORD is not slot-controlled at all, however, there is an agreement between the DOT and certain carriers (the LCC's, plus United and American)

Who else is a party to that agreement besides UA and AA? DH got fingered for adding something like 10 RTs daily when they started, but afaik they never agreed to anything (besides suicide, like on most other routes with that kind of frequency).
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:18 am

This is once again a topic gone wrong!

How the hell can you tell me that service to ORD won't work from JFK??? You draw a 60 mile ring from JFK and you hit 16 million people. Give me a f*%kin break!!

If we are going to start a conversation, let's be reasonable with the facts we put in the posts!

QUEENS, NYC:
Queens, NY, Total Population in 2000 Census: 2,229,379
Female Population: 1,155,811 or 52%
Male Population: 1,073,568 or 48%
Median age (years): 35.4
Under 5 years: 142,716 or 6%
18 years and over: 1,720,155 or 77%
65 years and over: 283,042 or 13%
Population density (people per square mile): 20,409
Statistics courtesy of US 2000

BROOKLYN, NYC:
2,465,326 people live in Kings County (Brooklyn)
(2000 census, 2003 estimate: 2,472,523, 0.3% increase),
a 7.2% increase between 1990 and 2000.
Brooklyn remains the most populous of the city's five boroughs.


CHICAGO:

Total population
2,896,016

Male
1,405,107
48.5
49.1%

Female
1,490,909
51.5
50.9%

Do you realize that Queens and Brooklyn together are almost DOUBLE yes almost DOUBLE the size of Chicago?

And we are also assuming that everyone near LGA or EWR only uses those airports . . . WHICH COULDN'T BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

Also, lets look at new facts. The train from JFK is now THE QUICKEST WAY to reach Manhattan.

There is a demand for these flights and B6 will clean AA and UAs clock with them in the future.

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Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 35):
This is once again a topic gone wrong!

How the hell can you tell me that service to ORD won't work from JFK??? You draw a 60 mile ring from JFK and you hit 16 million people. Give me a f*%kin break!!

Thank you!! That is very true. I don't know how you people can say no one wants to go from JFK to ORD.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:37 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 35):
How the hell can you tell me that service to ORD won't work from JFK???

History, over the 60-70 years JFK has been around not one carrier has had success with JFK-Chicago, not one.

At their peak PA and TWA never had more than three flights total from JFK to Chicago, during the economic boom of the Nineties AA and UAL never attempted daily flights.

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 35):
How the hell can you tell me that service to ORD won't work from JFK??? You draw a 60 mile ring from JFK and you hit 16 million people. Give me a f*%kin break!!

Those statistics you give leave several imporant facts out, Human geography. The Growth in Queens and Brooklyn is totally Immigrant driven, mostly Carribean, Africa , Eastern Europe and Asian. None of these groups have cultural ties to Chicago, so leave them out.

Next Business Travel, Brooklyn and Queens have large populations but they have no Central Business Districts, no corporate presence, no Wall Street back offices. Queens and Brooklyn is not a destination for Business travel.

Next tourist, Manhattan is where they go not Queens or Brooklyn.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:11 pm

You keep implying that John F. Kennedy International Airport does not serve Manhattan. Again I ask you, what the hell are you talking about?

Kennedy Airport is largest and busiest airport serving New York City.

Numbers speak . .. so i'll start another thread dedicated more to domestic growth at JFK.

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RE: Nice To See AA 2x Daily On ORD-JFK!

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:57 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 37):
History, over the 60-70 years JFK has been around not one carrier has had success with JFK-Chicago, not one.

Airtrain makes a huge difference convenience-wise, and it's only been open 2 (?) years...
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RE: Nice To See AA 2x Daily On ORD-JFK!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:13 am

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 38):
You keep implying that John F. Kennedy International Airport does not serve Manhattan. Again I ask you, what the hell are you talking about?

When there are options people choose EWR or LGA, when they don't have LGA as an option because of it's perimeter rule JFK does well. Which is why JFK has good Trans-con service but poor service to PIT, STL, MCI, MSP, DTW, CLE, RDU, CLT, ATL, IAH, DFW, DIA, BOS, DCA etc.. compared to EWR and JFK.

The exceptions being Florida which is within the 1,500 mile perimeter and does well from JFK, mostly because of limited slots at LGA which airlines would rather use to fly RDU or Charlotte instead of FLorida.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Airtrain makes a huge difference convenience-wise, and it's only been open 2 (?) years...

It's making the trip more affordable than a cab, but the 55-60 Minute Airtrain-Subway or 45 Minute Airtrain-LIRR are not difference makers in people's decisions.

Last year the MTA raided the money allocated for a N Train-LGA rail link that was put aside during the Giulianni administration, that $680 Million was diverted to the LIRR's ESA project. HUGE Mistake, LGA would have ad the conveinence DCA has with Metro service right in front of the Terminal.

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RE: Nice To See AA 2x Daily On ORD-JFK!

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:12 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 40):
Which is why JFK has good Trans-con service but poor service to PIT, STL, MCI, MSP, DTW, CLE, RDU, CLT, ATL, IAH, DFW, DIA, BOS, DCA etc.. compared to EWR and JFK.

Except that RDU does have good service to all 3 NYC airports...

American Eagle flights to LGA (8 or 10x dialy), EWR (4-6x daily), and JFK (4x daily)

Delta Connections flights to LGA (4-6x daily), EWR (through codeshare with CO), and JFK (3-4x daily).

AND all flights allow some sort of connection opportunity..
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