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New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:31 am

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

New Runway Unveiled At MSP Airport

Video Report Included

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_268103104.html
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:13 am

Interesting, thanks for the link. I wonder how many planes per hour this new 3rd runway will be able to take on?

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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:46 am

Depends on the aircraft size of course....

But I'd say around 20 to 30 is a good estimate.
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:08 am

WTF was MSP thinking? From the little picture on the side of the article, it looks like someone had an airport diagram on their desk, closed their eyes, took a pen and randomly drew a line somewhere, and said, "That's where we'll put it!" rotfl 

And I thought that the new runway at STL was cockeyed!  eyepopping  We've got a 9000' strip being built off to the side of the current airfield with no consideration to the taxiing times and distances. Oh yeah, there was "supposed" to be a new terminal built in the narrow strip of land between the new runway and the 11000' strip. The thing about it is that the new runway is staggered by about 10000' from the closest existing parallel with a lateral separation of less than 2000'. Lateral separation of 4100' from the other parallel. Airport officials say that this layout will permit simultaneous landings in all weather, but they didn't say it would also allow for takeoffs while two planes land. Some ATC say that it won't. Don't suppose it will matter since we don't have that many flights here anymore.
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:47 am

If the new runway is used as an arrival runway most airport acceptance rates will be 40/hr....if used for both arrival and departures figure on arrival about 32/hr. The simultaneous thing currently requires 4,300' between centerlines and with high update radar which I doubt MSP has you can reduce that down to 3,400'. The PRM approach putting requirement on flight crews to monitor 2 separate frequencies is not the optimum and some operators do not train crews for that so they can't accept it. Just get someone in the FAA and industry to push hard for RNP separation standards to reduce the criteria used when nav systems were not so precise and get it into the fast lane, FAA terms that probably means 4-5 years rather than 5-6 years.
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:31 am

Anyone who was there (at the runway event)have any thing to say about it? I was there, it was a good time. I think NW could have cleaned up the A319 that was on display. Goes to show the moral around NW. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. I will add however, I was a bit discusted at some of the T-shirts some folks were wearing. Black shirt with "Scab hunter" printed on the back, with an image of a revolver hand gun pointing towards the reader. Uncalled for if you ask me. Sun County I will add had a wonderfull display. The 738 was awsome!!! What a cool plane. Thier displays shows that they have thier ducks in a row......... Good job Sun Country!!!
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:48 am

Some pictures from the event are now on mspupdate.com. Click here to check them out.

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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:01 am

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 4):
If the new runway is used as an arrival runway most airport acceptance rates will be 40/hr....if used for both arrival and departures figure on arrival about 32/hr. The simultaneous thing currently requires 4,300' between centerlines and with high update radar which I doubt MSP has you can reduce that down to 3,400'. The PRM approach putting requirement on flight crews to monitor 2 separate frequencies is not the optimum and some operators do not train crews for that so they can't accept it. Just get someone in the FAA and industry to push hard for RNP separation standards to reduce the criteria used when nav systems were not so precise and get it into the fast lane, FAA terms that probably means 4-5 years rather than 5-6 years.

MSP already runs PRM. And the 12's/30's are not 4300' apart, that was the point of installing PRM. Also, they arn't able to arrive on the 12's along with 17. And they can't depart on the 30's with 35. Only departures on 17 and arrivals on 35. MSP also has quite of few of RNAV/FMS procedures, the FMS arrivals haven't really caught on there yet. We'll see what happens.
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 7):

MSP already runs PRM.

Yup, MSP was the first completely operational PRM approach system.

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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:02 am

Quoting Toering (Reply 5):
Anyone who was there (at the runway event)have any thing to say about it? I was there, it was a good time. I think NW could have cleaned up the A319 that was on display. Goes to show the moral around NW.

 rotfl  Did you see the state of the Skyteam decal? Simply incredible. On the one end you have a pretty, shiny brand spanking (<1 year) new 737-800, the doors open, the flight attendants are swarming it, letting you look in the cockpit, this, that, sit in the seats... etc. Sitting next to it is the filthy and dirty A319 with a locked door, yellow tape around it, and no NW reps. It was quite hilarious.
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:27 am

Hilarious....... Ya, I can see where your coming from. I thought it was sad. Ya, Sun Country is a Minnesota company too, but please NW...... put a little more pride in your aircraft........ Show us Minnesotans, and the world that your a little more that a diry, junky, locked up airbus. I was hoping to see a new A333 or a 753, something cool anyways.
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting Toering (Reply 10):
Hilarious....... Ya, I can see where your coming from. I thought it was sad. Ya, Sun Country is a Minnesota company too, but please NW...... put a little more pride in your aircraft........ Show us Minnesotans, and the world that your a little more that a diry, junky, locked up airbus. I was hoping to see a new A333 or a 753, something cool anyways.

I saw a mechanic at the event, "Don't Gamble on NWA". Pretty much sums it up.

As to a widebody from NWA, they can't find a 747 for two days to get paying passengers out of MSP. I doubt they could find a half presentable plane to sit and not make money.
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:59 am

Quoting AviatorTJ (Reply 11):

As to a widebody from NWA, they can't find a 747 for two days to get paying passengers out of MSP. I doubt they could find a half presentable plane to sit and not make money.

All they had to do was spray it with the fire trucks on hand......
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:07 pm

That would be a photo opportunity if I had every seen one. Maybe after the runway opens, the first commercial flight will get one.
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:08 pm

Loved the articles first line.

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The Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport has added a new runway to increase capacity and perhaps lure new airlines to the Twin Cities.

 rotfl 

New airlines....? That must be a misprint.
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:58 pm

Why does an 8,000ft runway cost $785 million! Thats $98,125 a foot. Astounding! Never new they cost so much!

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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:33 am

Yeah, I was fairly disappointed to see N303NB blocked off by yellow tape, whereas N807SY was quite inviting. I think though that with Northwest's recent entry into bankruptcy, and with its mechanics on strike, a lot of people would bomabrd them with questions. There were plenty of people wearing shirts like "NWA Mechanics On Strike" to probably cause tension if Northwest were present at the event...
 
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RE: New Runway Unveiled At MSP-Video

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:39 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 14):
New airlines....? That must be a misprint.

Agreed.

Quoting NASOCEANA (Reply 15):
Why does an 8,000ft runway cost $785 million! Thats $98,125 a foot. Astounding! Never knew they cost so much!

Well considering they had to acquire a neighborhood or three (on and off airport property), a golf course, and improve the infrastructure. I hope to get down to Minni to see them shoot some planes off of it soon. I also hope they did not forget an observation area.  Wink

Quoting N808NWatMSP (Reply 16):
Yeah, I was fairly disappointed to see N303NB blocked off by yellow tape, whereas N807SY was quite inviting. I think though that with Northwest's recent entry into bankruptcy, and with its mechanics on strike, a lot of people would bomabrd them with questions. There were plenty of people wearing shirts like "NWA Mechanics On Strike" to probably cause tension if Northwest were present at the event...

I'm sure the number one reason for the yellow tape was because if some stupid kid broke something by standing in an engine or ripping of a pitot tube, no one would know how to fix it.

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