atco2b
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Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:34 pm

Euromanx and Air Berlin have both announced they are to pull out of Southampton Eastleigh.

Euromanx which recently reinstated the Ronaldsway service is pulling out due to rising fuel costs.
Air Berlin, which serve Paderborn 3x weekly have not confirmed why they are to finish after 10 months of service.

A quote now from the website source - An airport spokesman said: "We will be looking for an airline to take over the routes to the Isle of Man and Paderborn."

I could see BE taking over IOM...

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:37 pm

SOU is owned and operated by the BAA, that's why the charges are high.

BOU is only a stones throw away and gagging to attract more airlines.
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:37 pm

Yes I too can see BE making a BEline for IOM, especially considering they already operate to IOM from quite a few destinations.

I think Paderborn may remain unserved and I can well imagine Air Berlin has had problems filling the aircraft on this route. It seemed an unusual choice to me when it was launched.
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:40 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 2):
It seemed an unusual choice to me when it was launched.

Ive heard the route was very popular with Army personnel from Wiltshire/Hampshire/Dorset, seeing as there is some kind of 'big barracks' next to Paderborn Big grin
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting Atco2b (Reply 3):
Ive heard the route was very popular with Army personnel from Wiltshire/Hampshire/Dorset, seeing as there is some kind of 'big barracks' next to Paderborn

Maybe Ryanair will step into the void left by Air Berlin ex BOU.
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:47 pm

Air Berlin is moving from SOU to BOH.
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:47 pm

Atco2b, If I had know Paderborn was near a big army barracks, I might have been tempted to be a regular on Air Berlin myself. I like a man in uniform.
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:51 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
I like a man in uniform.

I bet you do Big grin

I can see FR/EZY moving more a/c to BOH anyway so it was only time unti it takes over, if not already. SOU doesnt have the space for an LCC to move in...
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:55 pm

Actually, BE only have one flight a day to IOM, from Birmingham. The Q400 is too big for the SOU-IOM market, they will not take the route up.

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:03 am

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 8):
The Q400 is too big for the SOU-IOM market, they will not take the route up.

Eastern ? , with a J31 ?

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:08 am

Yes the SOU-IOM would suit Eastern and the J31/J41 would be the right sized aircraft.

Watch out though, ex Euromanxs passengers, Eastern can not in any way, be considered Low Fare!!
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:13 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
Watch out though, ex Euromanxs passengers, Eastern can not in any way, be considered Low Fare!!

As has been explained to you previously - by several others, and myself - Eastern targets particular market segments, i.e. those who travel for business and those who have no option but to fly. Sure, its airfares aren't cheap, but then they don't need to be.

Furthermore, Euromanx's airfares are certainly not cheap - a day-return to Belfast will cost £174 for two 35-minute flights; to Liverpool £124 for two 30-minute flights; to Manchester for £173 for two 45-minute flights - yet one could argue that they do, in general, target slightly different market segments than Eastern. Nevertheless, if people must pay the price, i.e. due to a lack of alternative (A2B, for instance, also flies IOM-Belfast) or preference or whatever, then they will pay it.

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:16 am

On the good side, BE is adding Palma next summer.

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:24 am

Eastern would also provide a far more reliable service than Euromanx.
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:06 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
Furthermore, Euromanx's airfares are certainly not cheap - a day-return to Belfast will cost £174 for two 35-minute flights; to Liverpool £124 for two 30-minute flights; to Manchester for £173 for two 45-minute flights

Have you seen how much Eastern charge???? EMA - ABZ day return costs £357.00 for just over an hour each way. thats a mid week fare. weekends i have seen £500.00 + rtn. that is why we love fr sooooo much eh  Wink

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 2:35 am

Quoting BDRules (Reply 14):

My Dad flew Eastern Airways from EDI-Norwich on business and it cost the company £680 return.

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:01 am

Whilst £0.99 each way fares are great for you, me and many others, as Pe@rson quite rightly said, Eastern Airways cater for a completely different market to the LCC's and it would be inaccurate to try and compare them with the likes of FR,U2, et al. T3 is a successful niche player as it has targeted routes which have a modest yet regular business customer base. It's customers are prepared and able to pay for the convenience of flying T3's routes. Remember that time is money! Some of the fares quoted here by others I suspect are the ones with very few restrictions, hence £680 for EDI-NWI, which can otherwise be purchased for a much lower price.

I agree with others that T3 are the ideal candidate to take over SOU-IOM since they already have a sizeable operation at both airports and there is a proven, steady, regular demand for a J41 sized aircraft on the route.

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:37 am

Aer Arann could be interested in IOM-SOU. They already serve SOU from ORK and are currently focusing on IOM for future growth.
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 4:38 am

AE have just announced IOM-MAN as well, almost like a final push to get rid of EuroManx!
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:35 pm

Hey

Tickets are on sale for Bournemouth-Paderborn,

Times are:

PAD-BOH 0700 0720
BOH-PAD 0805 1030

Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday

Flights start December.


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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:26 am

Euromanx is a gimmick airline, they were supposed to start Southampton flights to Eindhoven, Dusseldorf and Vienna aswell!! SOU can live without a fly by night operation. The loss of Air Berlin is a bit of a worry though, especially as it's moved along the coast to BOH with the same ferquencies. Given time i'm sure AB could have offered a few flights a week to the likes of Berlin, Hamburg and Munich from Southampton.

Flybe will hopefully offer a few new routes next year to complimiment PMI. Faro is a possibility.
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 18):
AE have just announced IOM-MAN as well, almost like a final push to get rid of EuroManx!

Lets hope they suceed.
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:19 am

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 19):
Tickets are on sale for Bournemouth-Paderborn

Is this still Air Berlin 'cos you can book through Lauda Air (www.flyniki.com) or is this on codeshare?
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:20 pm

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 19):
Flights start December.

I heard November 1st...
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:00 pm

Quoting Drinkstrolley (Reply 22):
Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 19):
Tickets are on sale for Bournemouth-Paderborn

Is this still Air Berlin 'cos you can book through Lauda Air (www.flyniki.com) or is this on codeshare?

AB owns 24% of HG.
HG uses AB´s booking engine.
Flights to BOH are AB 8116 and 8117.

EDIT:

Quoting Atco2b (Reply 23):
Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 19):
Flights start December.

I heard November 1st...

According to AB´s website: 17-DEC for days 1 and 6.
Day 4 only during holiday season and then from 16-FEB onwards.

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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:31 pm

The problem with Air Berlin in the Manchester area - where the announced a raft of new services - is that they do not appear to have done very much local advertising.

As a result some of the services have had more schedule changes that any other routes that I have known in a quite short space of time.

Manchester has/is also losing some of it's Air Berlin routes and this can really only be put down to the airlines own marketing policy. If you compare with Jet2 - whose adverts you see all over the north of England, Air Berlin have become a 'who are they' airline because they have not sold themselves to the English public.
 
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RE: Airlines Pull Out Of Southampton, UK

Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:36 pm

Quoting Scottiedog (Reply 25):
As a result some of the services have had more schedule changes that any other routes that I have known in a quite short space of time.

Manchester has/is also losing some of it's Air Berlin routes and this can really only be put down to the airlines own marketing policy. If you compare with Jet2 - whose adverts you see all over the north of England, Air Berlin have become a 'who are they' airline because they have not sold themselves to the English public.

Over the winter, they're maintaining 3 a week to Hamburg and 4 to Paderborn from MAN. I expect the return of TXL next summer........?

They've done a fair bit of advertising in the Manchester Evening News since they started.