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I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:40 am

Just sitting in my garden watching the planes stack at Biggin Hill. I noticed how most aircraft looked the same. Then absolute joy as an MD11 flew low over my house on approach to LHR.

What a beautiful aircraft this was!
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:41 am

Yes it is, I remember still back in '95 when I flew from JFK-FCO on AZ.
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:42 am

I have to agree with you here, from the days when i was at LHR every other week i used to love it when RG came in with the MD-11, such a nice aircraft and for me very photogenic.

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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:44 am

Indeed! The MD-11 is a real eye catcher. It's also one of the truly photogenic airplanes: there aren't too many bad photos of it in the airliners.net photo file.
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:20 am

Yeah, I miss them, too.

I am glad to have flown on them six (TG, KL, LX) times.

Let us praise Thai for painting HS-TMD into the new colourscheme and prominently sending it all over the world. I was lucky enough to finally picture her last Friday on its course to ZRH.

But, there is hope, even though they are gradually vanishing from passenger sevice, they are receiving a second life as freighters.

Frankfurt for example is a great airport to spot those nice three-holers (LH Cargo, FX, World Airways), and Memphis is probably the biggest MD-11F heaven in the world.

The day the three-holers stop flying, aviation's most gracious dignity dies...hopefully, it will not happen in my lifetime.

Cheers, on the MD-11 and the DC-10,too.


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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:24 am

I also miss the MD-11 alot!

AMS used to be a MD-11 hub, with KL, JL, BR, and RG operating there, now only KL and RG!

Quoting HBIHLtoEZE (Reply 4):
Let us praise Thai for painting HS-TMD into the new colourscheme and prominently sending it all over the world. I was lucky enough to finally picture her last Friday on its course to ZRH.

I agree Big grin well done TG!

Thanks also to AY for keeping the MD11 in their fleet Big grin

Rob!  Smile
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
AMS used to be a MD-11 hub, with KL, JL, BR, and RG operating there, now only KL and RG!

Don't forget to add Thai and Mandarin airlines to that list ...  Wink

The MD11 is a wonderful aircraft. I've spent so many enjoyable hours flying over the North Atlantic in her. An absolute breathtaking design, inside and out, one that just shouts long haul! Its just a real shame that the MD11 doesn't always get the respect she deserves. My two most favourite modern aircraft are the MD11 and A340, I just don't find twins appealing, they're so boring and look so much alike.

Of course, the DC10 and the magnificent L1011 are not to be forgotten. My very first flight was on board an AC DC8 (DUS-YYZ, YYZ-LHR, FRA-YYZ), but I don't remember too much of that as I was too young. Flying on a LH DC10 (YYZ-FRA-YYZ) a couple of years later was my first real aviation memory, I remember everything about that flight. A few years later, on board an AC L1011 (YVR-LHR-DUS-LHR-YVR), I went up front and got to sit in the captains seat as we were flying over Greenland, and that was the moment I knew that all I wanted to was fly! When I first flew on an MD11 (KLM PH-KCA / YVR-AMS) back in January of 1996, I fell in love with her right away and have since flown in the MD11 so often and can't wait to travel with her again.


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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:33 am

Definetly gotta love those MD-11's. I don't understand why there aren't more MD-11's still in service instead of those God awful DC10-30's......  Confused

Here it is in my favorite livery........  bigthumbsup 

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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:48 am

I remember mowing the lawn and seeing a Swiss MD-11 fly over (out of ORD). It was two weeks before they stopped service, so I felt pretty lucky!
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:05 am

Here's a shot taken from my last MD11 flight in May of this year. KLM / AMS-YVR / PH-KCB. What made this flight so enjoyable was when we were over Greenland the Captain made a series of banks to the left and right for about half an hour to allow us a better view. He also came back into the cabin and chatted with us for awhile, not to mention being able to go up front for a quick visit!

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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:35 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
AMS used to be a MD-11 hub, with KL, JL, BR, and RG operating there, now only KL and RG

Don't forget DL served AMS with the MD-11 as well.

I love the fact that I work for an almost all MD-11 carrier, minus our three DC10's, I've got enough MD-11s to go around  Smile
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:47 am

If you wanna see some MD-11s, SDF is a good place to go. UPS parks several of them on Ramp 11, right along side Runway 35L.
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:17 pm

I remember my first long haul flight was on a CP DC-10, HKG-YVR. I remember the plane quite well, in their old livery, of course, and that brownish interior, IIRC.....
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:27 pm

I flew the MD-11 the first time at age 15 in 1994. It was the brandnew PH-KCA from KLM; AUA-CCS-AMS.

Now as an employee for KLM I get the opportunity to non-rev a lot. As my station (Aruba / AUA) gets a daily MD-11, I'm on the aircraft practically everyday. I flew on all 10 MD-11's that KLM has.

I also flew on MD-11's by AA, DL and MP. In 1997 I flew a MD-11 from VASP (VP) AUA-MAO-GRU.... however that MD-11 was leased from KLM... the PH-KCI (Mother Teresa). I remember it well, because when the aircraft was returned to KLM after the lease, it did not have any personal video screens in World Business Class. Everytime the PH-KCI came to AUA, we had to inform the C-class pax of the lack of PTV's.

Here are my pics I took on a flight 2 weeks ago. KL0734 AUA-AMS (PH-KCF). Enjoy!


In-flight above the Atlantic


Over England


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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:02 pm

NGO has been lacking MD11s of late. It has been sad. RG, JL, TG, and DL all flew MD11s here until about 2000.

Now...none. But.....Happily Finnair will be coming in with MD11s starting in June.
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:02 pm

Quoting GlobeTrekker (Reply 13):
I flew on all 10 MD-11's that KLM has.

So far, I've been on:
PH-KCA
PH-KCB
PH-KCC
PH-KCD
PH-KCF
All of them on the AMS-YVR-AMS route and several times on each bird.  Smile
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 3:36 pm

Great looking bird I agree!

Never flown on one though.

AKL gets TG MD11's for a few more weeks saw one today in the old colours, then replaced by the A346!

Previously we have had scheduled service from, LH Cargo, KE, GA and BR. Think thats it. And some charters from WO, FX.
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 5:05 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
AMS used to be a MD-11 hub, with KL, JL, BR, and RG operating there, now only KL and RG!

And of course MP!
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 6:24 pm

Hi 

Here is a picture from my flight with RG AMS-CDG this summer. What a wonderful bird this is!!

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I was travelling Business Class on this ex LX aircraft:

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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:36 pm

Nice to see the rebirth as a cargo conversion and one of the most sought after airframes these days.
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:14 pm

The MD-11 was a great airplane for flight attendants- a roomy, comfortable cabin, big galleys in business class and coach, a quiet crew rest area. We had a lot of fun on that plane at American. But the mechanics didn't. It used to be nicknamed the MD-Lemon! And they used to joke around when we first got them in '91 and '92 that they were going to paint them blue to match AA's ground equipment!
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 9:32 pm

For a "MD-Lemon", there sure are many of the original frames still dependably and profitably flying to this day. And they will be flying around 20 years from now when most all of it's competitors will be resting in the desert. Cheers!!!  cool 
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 20):
The MD-11 was a great airplane for flight attendants- a roomy, comfortable cabin, big galleys in business class and coach, a quiet crew rest area. We had a lot of fun on that plane at American. But the mechanics didn't. It used to be nicknamed the MD-Lemon! And they used to joke around when we first got them in '91 and '92 that they were going to paint them blue to match AA's ground equipment!

About two weeks before an MD11 was going to be delivered to AA they'd send a team of their "quality assurance" inspectors to look over the aircraft, They'd proceed to write hundreds of specious "defect reports" that were designed to beat Douglas down on the price...whether the aircraft had anything wrong with it or not wasn't the issue because the people they sent were tasked to generate a blizzard of paper. The feeling was mutual...a lot of stuff got pencil whipped and your mechs got to fix it.

On the other hand....Swissair was a top notch organization from start to finish. Their reps were all master mechanics-working stiffs who'd practiced their chops a long time ago. They were with the aircraft from the time the first metal was cut at vendors facilities.

One night a Swissair rep walked up to me and wrote out a defect report (DISR) on a soon to be delivered MD11 that indicated that a certain cotter pin was improperly inserted in a castle nut inside one of the pylons. I asked him how he knew this because he was in street clothes. He said "Well, it was that way at Rohr when they built this pylon a year ago, I wrote this report then, they didn't do anything, and now we need it fixed."

It took removing a series of cover plates and panels and two mirrors to see where the castle nut was and it was exactly as described. I do not know how in the heck a mechanic was able to fix it but it did get fixed.

Another thing Swissair did was when a ship would get sent to Switzerland is they'd take it apart-all the panels and floors, remove all the FOD and debris they could find and crate it up and send it to Robert Hood, the CEO at the time...it was usually a pretty large box that had some interesting stuff in it-I have my own small collection of things I found during closeout inspections out on the flight line-several bucking bars and a bootleg right angle drill motor come to mind. I found a nice set of Wiss shears behind the main wiring bundle on a Delta ship one night. They belonged to Eli Green. Eli, Ive still got your shears.

So...if you were shopping for a used MD11, Swissair would be the way to go.

How do I know this? I was there.
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 21):

It seems most Douglas aircraft have a high life cycle. They are good work horses. I'm sorry to see the DC-10 as well as MD-11 pax planes go.
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:10 am

Actually I think I'm very lucky to see many of them everyday at MXP. Alitalia still flies two MD11 Combi (I-DUPO and I-DUPU) to BOM and IAD and it's always a breathtaking moment to see them take off at maximum weight and roar over my head. It is also great to see their cargo capacity in the all-freighter version as long as it's always a pleasure to talk about these machines with crews before and after flights.
Here at MXP also Fedex, Thai and Varig operates with M11, so everyday 4 or 5 of those beautiful birds can be easily seen.
For those of you M11 fans: come visit Malpensa!!  bigthumbsup 


Cheers
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:32 am

Indeed a great aircraft. I miss those Swissair, Swiss and JAL MD-11's too.
I hope still being able to go on a Varig, KLM, Thai and Air Namibia soon.
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:40 am

May I take this opportunity to ask something I've wondered since joining Airliners.net. The MD-11 seems not to be popular with airlines--why?
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:00 am

The original Asian airlines that wanted the airplane on trans Pacific routes gave up on the MD-11's when their requested long range and fuel economy came short of design specifications, it came out overweight and too heavy having a higher fuel comsumption and a shorter range of the design specified goals. Plus the fact that the McDonell Douglas fix for the problem was to install auxiliary fuel tanks in the cargo holds of the airplane; which was rejected by the airlines due to loss of cargo space in the lower holds.

AV757
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:11 am

I'm not sure who flies the MD11 here in Sao Paulo anymore, besides Varig. I miss seeing Delta's. Of course my hometown of Memphis is loaded with them via FedEx. KLM used to fly one each night from AMS/MEM but now wonder how long the DC10 NWA nonstop will keep flying. Huge plane and definately a bit more comfortable than a 767 I now fly GRU/ATL!
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:27 am

For me, this Finnair MD-11 was the surprise highlight of the NYC meet back in August. Nice shot by Joe Wagner.


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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting Tarheel (Reply 26):
The MD-11 seems not to be popular with airlines--why?

It seems not everyone wants a positive development of the share price.
AY trends (www.finnair.com)

 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:46 am

The MD11 is a beauty it's fact !!!

We will all miss this unique design.

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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:23 am

Alas, we at JFK area are still blessed with the daily AY MD-11, along with periodical Fedex and Gemini freighters. With their solid construction, I am sure we will still see the MD-11s as freighters for many years to come.
 
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:27 am

Hi there,

also in my opinion MD-11 is one of the best looking airplanes around, ever.

I had that honor and pleasure to fly three times on MD-11. First and second time was a round trip ZRH<->KIX on SR. Flight to KIX was in Dec 2000 on Swissair Asia HB-IWG, then flight back was in Jan 2001 on regular SR HB-IWO:

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My third and so far the last time on MD-11 was AMS->NRT on JL J-Bird JA8582 "Red Crowned Crane" (which later became the only MD-11 in new JAL livery and finally the last of this type to leave the fleet).

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I am so glad to see (ex) HB-IWO enjoy her second youth as RG's PP-VTK, also (ex) JA8582 spreads her wings again as N279UP freighter.

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Unfortunately, my "first" MD-11, HB-IWG, did not have enough luck to make it and currently slowly fades out parked at Mojave. Such a sad sight I can't really stand it.

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I wish all the best to all remaining pax/cargo MD-11s and hope to see them fly tens of years ahead.

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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:55 am

Hi!

I surely miss the MD11 around the world more and more! I only flew in a MD11 once, but I think in those 12:45 minutes I was in that plane I remember if not any minute most of the time of that incredible flight. First of all let me give you the details:

Date: 2002/12/16
Airline: LX
Registration: HB-IWM
Flight: ZRH/LAX
Duration of flight: 12:45 minutes


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This photo was taken 4 days after I flew IWM!!!

ZRH that morning was full of MD11's ready to leave, I still recall all the traffic and I didn't have any MD11 in mind to fly, the only thing I would like was to fly one with the SWISS full livery and I did it! I remember it was a quite cloudy day and I remember when I was pushing back that it was probably the last time I would see so many SWISS MD11's. I was on my way to California to study during one year and I would return back to Portugal via ZRH again!
When we took off I noticed the huge amount of power MD11 had, just unbelievable and something that I would never feel again!!!!
On the 16th. December 2003 I landed back to ZRH, it was 1 year latter. This time I was seated in a brand new SWISS A340-300, HB-JMC, and when I landed I saw some SWISS A330-200's, some A340-300's and no MD11's!!! I spent a few days in Saint Gallen until I returned to ZRH and pick my flight to LIS. This time I saw HB-IWA still with Swissair livery with SWISS stickers and then I saw landing and taxiing right in front of me HB-IWE with full SWISS livery. I took a picture of this MD11 and it was the last time I saw a SWISS MD11!
Last May I flew to AMS and among many A319/320/321/330-200/330-300/340's, 737-300/400/500/600/700/800/900, 767-300's, 777-200's, 747-400's that I took a quick look I remember everytime I saw a KL MD11 I would take some time and deliciously fully look, stop and see this amazing and elegant airliner.
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RE: I Miss The MD11

Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:11 am

Quoting Idlewild (Reply 23):
It seems most Douglas aircraft have a high life cycle. They are good work horses. I'm sorry to see the DC-10 as well as MD-11 pax planes go.

You have to go back to the way they were built...DAC used a truly antiquated system of building airplanes...all hand shot holes and fasteners....Of course, this produced its share of problems so the fuselage and structure were beefed up particularly in the skin splices-they were all butt joined with forged doublers, not clinker built with adhesives like the Boeings were....which also made them heavier. Every engineer was of the mind that there ain't gonna be any failures for lack of beef on my job.

The company bought back the 3d or 4th DC9 from Republic for failure analysis...it had an ungodly number of cycles on it...this was in the era of exploding 737s...they cut it to bits and it was good for a lot longer-the structure had held up very well.

Of course their hand fitted methods had their quirks..an MD80 was assembled with the tail clocked out one rivet hole...rotated about an inch.

I remember the exact moment I knew DAC was doomed...when I saw a video on PBS about the Airbus factory and I saw how they did a fuselage join...completely automated....that day I assisted in a hull section lineup and join....all by hand, they'd only recently given up using a level and transit for this type of work.
If you believe in coincidence, you haven't looked close enough-Joe Leaphorn