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Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:35 am

What airline has the smallest hub operation or focus city operation??? IT can't just be a one station operation, It has to be considered a hub or a focus city BY THE AIRLINE!!!!
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:41 am

Louisville, KY. It has a population of around 250,000 and is UPS's hub.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:08 am

What about CO and Guam?
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:08 am

Quoting Flydl2atl (Reply 1):
Louisville, KY. It has a population of around 250,000 and is UPS's hub.

No im sorry i meant a hub with like the smallest number of flights, not city population
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:09 am

For passenger service, I'll nominate CO at CLE or NW at MEM in the U.S.

CO calls CLE a "hub", US calls a similar operation at PIT "focus city". CO's CLE "thing" has been dwindling from a high of nearly 300 daily flights in 1999, long BEFORE 9/11. Mainline is down to around 50 I believe. Not sure ratio of NW mainline to express at MEM.

Off mainland, CO's Guam "hub" would seem to fit the bill.

Too bad for an airline kicked out of 5th place by the US/HP merger and constantly expanding service from EWR and IAH to anywhere.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:10 am

my guess would be SLC
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:15 am

Frontier at CUN?

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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:16 am

AS at ANC might be a candidate.
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 3):

In numbers, I would have to say Hooters at Myrtle Beach, since they are not high frequency.

In population, I would have to agree with Chugach that the smallest populated metro area with a hub is Anchorage. However, Maui has a smaller population with more flights than Anchorage. It is classified as a "medium hub", even though no carrier has a major hub operation using OGG.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:15 am

Who hubs at Anchorage? Alaska Airlines hubs in Seattle, regardless of the name of the airline.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:23 am

Horizon Air in BOI or GEG ??

Midwest in MCI ??

Cape Air in ACK ??
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:33 am

Papeete in Tahiti has to be a winner. It's the hub for Air Tahiti Nui which only has 4/5 (?) aircraft. It's definitely used as a hub for pax from Australia/New Zealand to points beyond.

Nadi in Fiji plays the same role for Air Pacific, which only has a handful of aircraft too. A couple of 747's, a 767 or two and some 737's.

Both airlines schedule flight times to capture transfer passengers.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:36 am

Quoting UncGSO (Reply 10):
Horizon Air in BOI or GEG ??

Horizon hubs at PDX (someone told me SEA but judging from the infrastructure QX has here I don't quite believe them). Their largest stations are SEA and PDX and also a good operation out of DEN where they fly for Frontier.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:38 am

According to Alaska their hubs are ANC SEA PDX. Although i do agree PDX and ANC are no hubs compared to other places. But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world. And AS does serve the whole state from there, north and south, and then some (DEN,ORD,LAS,SEA,PDX,LAX)... a hub in my mind

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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:39 am

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 12):
Horizon hubs at PDX (someone told me SEA but judging from the infrastructure QX has here I don't quite believe them).

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/allia/partners.shtml
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:09 pm

I see that the website says that. But 19 daily flights from GEG, 15 of which are to the REAL hubs at SEA and PDX should in no way constitute a hub. Merely a busy destination with high frequency of flights.

That is like calling LAX an HP hub, even though 21 of the 24 daily flights are to LAS or PHX with a couple other destinations.

BOI follows the hub definition much better than GEG, with 25 daily flights to a much higher number of destinations than simply SEA and PDX.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:22 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
That is like calling LAX an HP hub, even though 21 of the 24 daily flights are to LAS or PHX with a couple other destinations.

yeah i see what your saying....
i found this intersting...look on page 6...
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:30 pm

I found the entire thing very interesting. I never would have guessed Alaska had done the stuff they've done. But yes, While Boise does appear to be a hub GEG does not.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:41 pm

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 13):
But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world

And to the rest of the state.
Consider, the only way to other parts of Alaska besides Fairbanks is done by air. Not rail, not trucks, not automobiles.
Anchorage is the center for many smaller airlines getting essential goods and people to the smallest of cities.
If not the smallest, or the largest, it is without doubt, one of the most important.
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:05 pm

At one time it was probably UA @ MCO (early 1990s). Then it was HP at CMH (late 90s.)
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:07 pm

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 19):
At one time it was probably UA @ MCO (early 1990s)

really?? i never heard of that one before....

anyone remember Eastwind in GSO? They came in after CO pulled the plug on their hub here....
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:37 pm

Quoting Joeman (Reply 4):
Mainline is down to around 50 I believe. Not sure ratio of NW mainline to express at MEM.

As of August, NW was running 89 mainline and 142 regional (both Pinnacle and Mesaba) at MEM. 2-3 years ago, these numbers were probably reversed.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:44 pm

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 5):
my guess would be SLC

Way off.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:57 pm

I'm definately going to go with Eastwind in GSO. It was their main hub and referred to as a hub in all publications. During the course of the airline's it had a maximum of 10 flights a day and I believe a minimum of 4...at which time, all flights were 737-700s.

The two birds they had would come in from two northeast cities (Trenton and Boston?), passengers either stay onboard or connect to the other plane and then both would head to florida (Orlando and Tampa?). Then the reverse would happen later in the day. So, it truely was a hub with connection passengers. I doubt you can get smaller than 4 flights though or you wouldn't be able to have these required connection pax. So, I suppose Eastwind has to be it.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:03 pm

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 13):
According to Alaska their hubs are ANC SEA PDX. Although i do agree PDX and ANC are no hubs compared to other places. But if you think about it ANC is one of those natural hubs - connecting all of Alaska to the rest of the world. And AS does serve the whole state from there, north and south, and then some (DEN,ORD,LAS,SEA,PDX,LAX)... a hub in my mind

I think PDX is much more of a QX hub supplemented by a few mainline AS flights these days. AS nowadays is putting their focus on the Anchorage, Seattle, and Los Angeles markets. SEA as the main system/transcon hub, ANC as the hub for statewide Alaska operations connecting to the major cities in the lower 48 AS system that you mentioned (and that's not even counting the 7H and KS flights from ANC to the villages that are codeshared as AS flights), and LAX as a hub for the Mexico operation.

One thing about ANC: in terms of sheer number of passenger flights, it will never be a megahub (by AS standards) like SEA. Remember, there are only about 620,000 people in the entire state of Alaska. The Seattle metro area alone just about triples that number. But ANC will always be important to AS both as an O&D point and a connecting point (there's a reason AS runs about 15 flights a day between ANC-SEA in the WINTER months--the traffic is always there) because of the unique nature of the Alaska market. However, AS has recognized (correctly so, in my mind) that ANC and LAX are the two biggest cogs in the AS system that aren't named Seattle, even just as a connecting standpoint, nevermind O&D traffic. LAX is a natural connecting point for the Mexico operations (prime example: the ANC-LAX nonstop in the winter months exists primarily to connect to Mexico flights), and when you consider that Los Angeles is the 2nd largest city in the country, AS would almost be insane to not build up that market.

Now, don't get me wrong, PDX is a great town and a great airport. I was born there, spent a good chunk of my childhood there, and enjoy my frequent short visits there, but right now AS can simply make more money elsewhere with the planes they currently have. There is little doubt in my mind that, as the AS insiders on here have said, once AS gets some more planes that PDX will gain/regain additional AS service.
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:05 pm

Was DSM a considered a hub for AccessAir?
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:18 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 9):
Who hubs at Anchorage? Alaska Airlines hubs in Seattle, regardless of the name of the airline.

AS hubs at SEA, LAX, ANC and to a lesser extent, PDX
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 23):
The two birds they had would come in from two northeast cities (Trenton and Boston?), passengers either stay onboard or connect to the other plane and then both would head to florida (Orlando and Tampa?).

Actually right up till the end all BOS flights went through TTN...TPA and MCO were served throughout....other cities served at one time or another from GSO were FLL, ATL, RIC, and PHL....MIA and PIE were started but only lasted a week or two as Eastwind went belly up....they had a great following in GSO but due to horrendous delays and cancelled/combined flights the light was quickly dimmed so to speak...after Eastwind S5 picked up the GS0-TTN route that continued on to Boston-Hanscom (BED) for a while till they contrated with US...
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:26 pm

Commutair (Continental Connection) claims a hub in Albany - about 15 B1900Ds a day.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:43 pm

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
I see that the website says that. But 19 daily flights from GEG, 15 of which are to the REAL hubs at SEA and PDX should in no way constitute a hub. Merely a busy destination with high frequency of flights.

You're discussing a hub in terms of the FAA definition. Anchorage would be classified as a medium hub in that regard. In terms of Alaska Airlines, ANC is a major hub, since it is a major connecting point between Alaska and the Lower 48. It has somewhere in the vicinity of 50 flights a day on AS, 12-15 of which are to SEA (which is AS's busiest route, then SEA-LAX, then ANC-FAI {according to the 2004 Stockholders Almananc}). The rest go somewhere else...I'll let you figure that out, and how that constitutes a hub.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:26 pm

Not anymore, but how about the AA focus cities of SJC, RDU, BNA. They were all pretty small in the 1990's compared to where they were in the late 1980's, vs. where they are now in the AA heirarchy.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:20 pm

Gulfstream Int'l Airlines (Continental Connection) in FLL or TPA...

and didnt Reno Air have a hub in SJC?
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:05 pm

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 29):
I'll let you figure that out, and how that constitutes a hub.

I'm trying to figure out what I'm supposed to figure out. You're talking about AS, I'm talking about QX. I'm aware that ANC is a hub for AS.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:46 pm

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 23):
Eastwind in GSO.

...all flights were 737-700s

Not to nitpick here, but Eastwind also operated the 737-200 as well.


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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:42 pm

GQ at BIL.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:52 pm

Surpirsed no one has mentioned MYR with Hooters Air. How many flights do they have?
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:57 pm

Akron/Canton, OH (KCAK) for an Air Tran focus city.

Service: LAS, BOS, LGA, ATL, MCO, TPA and FLL.

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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:04 am

wouldn't the smallest city with a central hub for an airline with mainline and express aircraft probably be MKE with Midwest?
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting Flydl2atl (Reply 1):
Louisville, KY. It has a population of around 250,000 and is UPS's hub.

Actually, its nearly 700,000 now. Over a million in the entire area.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:22 am

Quoting BNAflyer78 (Reply 35):
Surpirsed no one has mentioned MYR with Hooters Air. How many flights do they have?

Uh....it was,

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 8):
In numbers, I would have to say Hooters at Myrtle Beach, since they are not high frequency.



Quoting GQfluffy (Reply 34):
GQ at BIL

We have a winner!

Billings, with a population of 92,000 (2004 census est.), no other "hub" or "focus" city listed here has been smaller than Billings.
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting BNAflyer78 (Reply 35):
Surpirsed no one has mentioned MYR with Hooters Air. How many flights do they have?



Quoting Stirling (Reply 39):
Uh....it was,

Guess it helps to read ALL the replies.

Thanks for pointing it out Stirling.  embarrassed 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:35 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 39):
We have a winner!

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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:49 am

Skyexramp...I'd agreee, CAK for AirTran. 13 flights I think and been acknowledged by FL as a focus city.

In reference to Alaska Air Group.

Alaska hubs are SEA,ANC,PDX,LAX. Horizon hubs are SEA,PDX,BOI

*Now PDX has truely become a QX hub no doubt. It is a pilot/flight attn base so it should be considered a hub for QX. AS no longer has anyone based there but considered a hub.

*Boise can also be considered a hub I would think,with multiple QX desinations and crews based there.

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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:57 am

Ill agree with you GQ.

GQ at BIL definately!


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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:06 am

According to Futurama (the cartoon) Atlanta was merely a city formed around a Delta hub.
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:28 am

Aerolineas Argentinas hub in Madrid.
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:30 am

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 44):


According to Futurama (the cartoon) Atlanta was merely a city formed around a Delta hub.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Is the same to be said about MSP, because it's too damn cold for any other reason to be there.  Smile
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:54 am

AA@DFW?

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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:11 am

I forgot all about Billings. Great town. Anyone who hasn't been there should check it out...thier airport is on a bluff overlooking the city.
 
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RE: Smallest Hub/Focus City

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 48):
I forgot all about Billings. Great town. Anyone who hasn't been there should check it out...thier airport is on a bluff overlooking the city.

I flew out of BIL once...it is amazing. You drive up a hill, at least 500 feet in elevation - to the bluff the poster mentioned. It is then totally flat up on top for miles and miles....an interesting airport to say the least and very clean!