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Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:07 am

What airlines have hubs in another country like what PA had going on at FRA ( but doesnt have to be on that scale). And there is some modern ones like IB at MIA even though they are oulling out in favor of n/s flights and using SAL. What are some other ones and they can be mini-hubs to, but I cant think of any other one's right now except for TG's India hub (??) and AF MIA operation which has some flights to the French Carribean.

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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:12 am

Well currently NW at NRT i can think of...

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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:13 am

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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:15 am

Both UA and NW operate self-proclaimed hubs in Japan at NRT.

DL had a hub in FRA (old PA??) in the late 90s and UA arguably had a hub at LHR, offering connecting service to continental Europe from the mainland US.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:15 am

UA-NRT
NW-NRT
QF-SIN
BA-JNB
EZY-BSL

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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:16 am

Frontier at CUN?

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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:17 am

F9 at CUN LOL they have been expanding from there recently.
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:17 am

Air New Zealand- LAX.
Qantas- Auckland, New Zealand.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:56 am

DL flies 2X BOM and 1X MAA daily from CDG

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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:54 am

According to NW - AMS is one of their hubs as well, but i think we all know whose hub it really is.

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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:11 pm

The only acceptible answers in this context are NW and UA at NRT. Evreything else seems a little bit far fetched.

NZ flies 5th freedom from LAX to LHR and feed this flight not only from AKL but also from CHC and various Pacific island destinations. But a hub?

LH flies from FRA and MUC to BKK and onward to SGN/KUL and CGK. But that is not a hub in my mind.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:30 pm

JoFMO. A hub is where an interchange of passengers occurs and the airlines schedule flight times to facilitate a smooth as transfer as possible. Hubbing often entails changing aircraft types as well. The LH services you listed are merely stopping services and don't hub.

Hubbing definitely happens at LAX with NZ. You will often see 3-4 aircraft, a mix of 744's and 767's, parked at the terminal. They are channeling pax to/from the London flight. NZ has a small international operation and a substantial proportion of its international fleet can be parked at LAX at one time. I've seen photos of up to 4 NZ 747's parked at LAX, about half the total fleet. Just because it's small, doesn't exclude it from being a hub.

The QF hub at AKL links their international services with the domestic flights operated by their subsidiary, Jetconnect. They also use it as a hub from South America and selected USA flights where inbound and outbound pax from places like BNE or MEL connect instead of going via SYD.

QF's SIN hub operations are huge, they are the second largest airline flying out of SIN after SQ. They (including Australian Airlines) take up a whole pier with flights to/from 7 Australian destinations to London, Frankfurt and Bali.

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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:24 pm

How about Alaska At YVR they have lots of flights in and out
 
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:29 pm

Quoting UALFAson (Reply 3):
DL had a hub in FRA (old PA??) in the late 90s

Yes, DL's hub at FRA was all ex-PA routes

Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
QF-SIN

Not really, just a stop off.

Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 7):
Air New Zealand- LAX.

Not really. I mean, they have at the most 4-5 flights a day.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:47 pm

United has quite a large hub in NRT. NRT-HKG, BKK, HNL, PEK, TPE. I may be forgetting a few.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:00 pm

How about the cargos?

Fedex has hubs in Subic Bay and NRT

UPS.....Clark (NCP) which will move into Guangzhou; TPE, CGN, etc.

UPS schedules are not listed in OAG. Anybody knows a website that has its schedules?
 
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:07 pm

Ryanair at Stansted.

Otherwise it'll mostly be alliance hubs rather than airlines themselves.
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:25 am

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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:34 am

IBERIA in MIAMI flying to the caribbean and central america with A319.

AEROLINEAS ARGENTINAS in MADRID flying to LGW,CDG,MUC and ZRH with MD-88.

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Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:44 am

PA @ GUA in the 70's
CO had a 2 plane "hub" in PTY before they became CM-part owners.
In the 90's UA also had a "hub" in MEX when they got PA Latinamerican routes.
Rightnow CM does offer CM-CM connections @ MGA, but I'd hardly call it a CM hub.
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:54 am

Would AI at FRA be considered a hub?
 
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 18):
IBERIA in MIAMI flying to the caribbean and central america with A319.

IB quit MIA a long time ago.

Other I can think of is PIA in MAN.
 
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:02 am

both LAN and TACA groups have groups in other countries through assimilating and acquiring other airlines.

LAN Chile
LAN Peru
LAN Argentina
LAN Dominicana
LAN Ecuador (??)

TACA
TACA Peru
LASCA ( Costa Rica)
AVIATECA (Guatemala)
NICA (Nicaragua)

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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:03 am

Some more historical hubs:

TWA at CDG

Braniff at LIM
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:18 am

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
Frontier at CUN?

They can't issue connecting tickets through CUN, can they?
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:10 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 18):
IBERIA in MIAMI flying to the caribbean and central america with A319.

Yea this hub has been gone for a little while now  Sad

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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:11 am

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 23):
Some more historical hubs:

TWA at CDG

Braniff at LIM

Then you could say Braniff had a hub at Panama City (PTY) as well.
Both LIM and PTY had roughly the same amount of weekly flights.

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Bogota/BuenosAires/Guayaquil/LaPaz/LosAngeles/Miami/JFK/Panama/Santiago/SaoPaulo

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Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:04 pm

LH Cargo in SHJ comes to my mind.


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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:42 pm

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 20):
Would AI at FRA be considered a hub?

Sort of, a scissor hub, if AI really wants too, they should

1. Discontinue LHR-JFK sector, too many flights on his sector and yeilds are poor, check the fares online AI is often the cheapest on JFK-LHR, with 2 slots used on this daily flights, they could free up and add 2 daily flights (14 wkly) to many other cities (ATQ, CCU, BLR, HYD, MAA, even COK) serving O & D markets, this is subject to BAA approval of course.

2. Add extra flights to Eastern US/Canada through FRA, ideally through HEL but this will reduce the ability for AI to pick up local traffics, all non-stops to FRA from India, instead of current circuitous BOM-XXX-XXX-Europe routes, it can have 5-6 flights a day each direction, with 3 A380 from BOM, DEL, CCU to EWR, JFK, YYZ and remaining 3 A744 or 773 from HYD, BLR, MAA, AMD, ATQ (not all have to be dailies) to YUL, IAD, ORD.

To Western US/Canada a similar scissor hub at ICN or PEK should be used if more flights are added (SFO, YVR). CCU routes can also be ued to connect passengers to CGP and DAC.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:55 pm

Cathay Pacific at TPE with non stop service to HKG ICN NRT KIX NGO and FUK,
and to a lesser extend
Thai Airways at ICN with non stop service to BKK HKG and TPE.
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 28):
Add extra flights to Eastern US/Canada through FRA, ideally through HEL but this will reduce the ability for AI to pick up local traffics,

Just as HEL is a great hub for Europe to Asia (just ask Finnair), HEL could be a great transit hub for the Sub-Asian Continent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, SriLanka) to North America.

That is geographically speaking....

Those Fifth-Freedom passengers; or lack thereof isn't so great however.
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:59 pm

Ryanair has bases in:

Ireland (DUB, SNN and ORK)
UK (STN, LTN, EMA, LPL and PIK)
Spain (GRO)
Italy (BGY, CIA and PSA)
Germany (HHN)
Belgium (CRL)
Sweden (NYO)

There will certainly be many additional bases in the forthcoming years.
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 31):
Ryanair has bases in:

Ireland (DUB, SNN and ORK)
UK (STN, LTN, EMA, LPL and PIK)
Spain (GRO)
Italy (BGY, CIA and PSA)
Germany (HHN)
Belgium (CRL)
Sweden (NYO)

There will certainly be many additional bases in the forthcoming years.

Ah but these are bases not hubs.
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:26 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 30):
Just as HEL is a great hub for Europe to Asia (just ask Finnair), HEL could be a great transit hub for the Sub-Asian Continent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, SriLanka) to North America.
That is geographically speaking....
Those Fifth-Freedom passengers; or lack thereof isn't so great however

If AI would venture to have a hub in HEL (ARN, Stockholm Svaksta, Tallin ?) they should at least try to get traffic from Estonia, Latvia, LED, Moscow, Minsk, ARN..
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 14):
United has quite a large hub in NRT. NRT-HKG, BKK, HNL, PEK, TPE. I may be forgetting a few.

UAL no longer does the NRT-PEK
UAL chose to fly non-stop to the mainland. This flight is now SFO-PEK, But another one you missed was SEA,SFO,LAX,ORD.

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Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:54 am

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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:59 am

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 9):
According to NW - AMS is one of their hubs as well, but i think we all know whose hub it really is.

Well both UA, and AA call ORD a hub, NK and NW at DTW, so whats your point? NW offers connecting opportunities at AMS and has non-hub routes. AMS and NRT are both hubs.
 
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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:08 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
QF-SIN

Not really, just a stop off.

Not really.... Actually one of the largest of all QF international hubs, serving SYD, MEL, DRW, PER, BNE, CNS, ADL connecting to LHR and FRA with codes shares to the all Europe and the Middle East. Hub enough for you?


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RE: Airlines With Hubs In Other Countries

Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:16 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 30):
Just as HEL is a great hub for Europe to Asia (just ask Finnair), HEL could be a great transit hub for the Sub-Asian Continent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, SriLanka) to North America.

That is geographically speaking....

Those Fifth-Freedom passengers; or lack thereof isn't so great however

As AY ever looked at the map and considered tapping into India/Bangladash/Pakistan to Eastern US/Canada markets? They can easily have 6 daily flights from the subcontinent, stop and refuel at HEL, then all going to US/Canada simultaneously aka FI style. Getting the traffic rights would be major hurdles as it seems.