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Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:31 am

Hi (and sorry Sören that I beat you to that topic )

Just recently Sören (Birdwatching) and myself (LH526) had the following discussion and thought we should shed some light on a little known fact:

Most of us know that the official name of Frankfurt airport is 'Flughafen Frankfurt Main'. Well, most english speakers refer to the term 'main' as 'first', 'highest' or 'most important'. So, as in 'main station', the name 'Frankfurt Main airport' gives hint to the fact that it leads the list of frankfurt airports with 'secondary' airports in it's wake (like Hahn SCNR)
So, how many actually know that 'Main' is the name of the river that flows through Frankfurt and that the official name of Frankfurt is "Frankfurt am Main" simmilar to "New York on the Hudson"? It's not the main airport, but 'Main' simply is a name, not a adjective.

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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:35 am

Well, Frankfurt-am-Main is in contrast to Frankfurt-am-Order.
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:35 am

Wow i actually didnt know that. I thought FRA as JFK and then the other airports like ISP and HPN. Thus the "MAIN" factor
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:38 am

Yup, basicly translated to Frankfurt on the Main River, and Frankfurt on the Oder river.

If I remember correctly.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:45 am

If we went by the same convention in the US it might be Newark Am Hudson and Newark am Delaware.
 
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:45 am

That's right..There are two Frankfurts in Germany. Main is the river
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:51 am

Quoting LH526 (Thread starter):
Most of us know that the official name of Frankfurt airport is 'Flughafen Frankfurt Main'.

As well as "Rhein-Main Air Base", located on the south side of parallel runways 7/25. Which by the way, Rhein-Main saw its' last military aircraft departure yesterday, a C-17 to Charleston Air Force Base.

With the turnover of Rhein-Main to the German government on October 1st, it will mark the end of U.S. Air Force flight operations at FRA/FRF, clearing the way for much needed airport expansion. With Rhein-Main being my first Air Force duty assignment many moons ago, this brings a few tears to my eye.. crying 
 
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:30 am

Kanebear,

It would be, except that AM, as used, here, is not an English word. AM in German means "on the".

This convention is frequently used in the UK, for example: Stratford-upon-Avon, Richmond-on-Thames.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:54 am

And it's not pronounced "main" like "Main Street, USA", but like the word "mine". As stated, it is the name of the river, as there is a Frankfurt on the Oder river.

"AM" is a contraction of "An dem", a particularly vicious little grammatical idiosyncracy of German that I never could master. The three words for "the", der, die, and das (Masculine, feminine, and neuter) as subject (nominative case) become den, die, and das in the accusitive (direct object) case, but become dem, den, and dem in the indirect object case (what's that one called?). As I gave up, certain words always take certain cases, so you just learn to deal with it.

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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:20 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
Well, Frankfurt-am-Main is in contrast to Frankfurt-am-Order.

Actually, it is Frankfurt am Main and Frankfurt an der Oder
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Frankfurt an der Oder

Not on my Atlas....I have Frankfurt-am-Oder too.

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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:03 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
but become dem, den, and dem in the indirect object case (what's that one called?).

Do you mean the dative case?
 
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:14 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 10):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Frankfurt an der Oder

Not on my Atlas....I have Frankfurt-am-Oder too.

Well, it is wrong. It is Frankfurt an der Oder
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:20 pm

I surely knew it's not good enough to be the main airport in Europe! I believe Fraport is not up the the German standard. There is no clear structure and it's partly old and messy. Dark corridors to the parking garages, dirty toilets.

IMO it's a big contrasts with airports like DUS and MUC. Those are very well structured and clean.

So for me it was always obvious: Main must be the dirty river....  twocents 
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:22 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Actually, it is Frankfurt am Main and Frankfurt an der Oder

And doesn't Oder translate to "other"? If so, what's the "other" river - the Rhine?

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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:43 pm

The two rivers are the Oder and the Main. Funnily the river Oder is feminin while the Main is masculin.

Therefore gramatically Frankfurt lies "an dem" river Main, what is usually shortened in German to "am". The other Frankfurt lies "an der" Oder. But for this combination is no short form.

The legal name for the greater Frankfurt area and also the official name for the airport is "Rhein-Main". Both are big rivers and the river Main runs through Frankfurt and runs into the greater river Main 20 kilometers down from Frankfurt near Mainz. The city where Bush met Schroeder the last time, but that is another story...
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:08 pm

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 6):
As well as "Rhein-Main Air Base", located on the south side of parallel runways 7/25. Which by the way, Rhein-Main saw its' last military aircraft departure yesterday, a C-17 to Charleston Air Force Base.

see also: Rhein-Main Air Base Closure (by PanAmerican Sep 27 2005 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 15):
the river Main runs through Frankfurt and runs into the greater river Main 20 kilometers down from Frankfurt near Mainz.

Correction: The river Main flows into the river Rhein (aka "Rhine" in English).

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
And doesn't Oder translate to "other"? If so, what's the "other" river - the Rhine?

Incorrect. The german word "oder" translates into "or".
BTW, the river "Oder" is called "Odra" in Polish language; it forms the border between Poland and Germany for quite a stretch (before the smaller river Neisse takes over that "honour" further away from the sea ...)

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 13):
There is no clear structure and it's partly old and messy. Dark corridors to the parking garages, dirty toilets.

Agreed for parts of FRA´s T1 only. T2 is totally different.

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Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:36 pm

Aside from all that, the word "Main" can also be used in it's English version: there's always that airport somewhere halfway between here (Frankfurt) and Cologne, out in (almost) the middle of nowhere, that's called Frankfurt Hahn...

So, technically, misunderstanding the name of the river for meaning that it's Frankfurt's main airport wouldn't be all that wrong... then again, in my opinion, Frankfurt simply only has one airport: Hahn isn't Frankfurt... not even close.

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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:23 pm

I have known Frankfurt am Main stands for, for about five years know.

Cause one day i typed Frankfurt am Main into a translater and it came up with:

'Frankfurt on the Main'

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Wed Sep 28, 2005 4:26 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 8):
And it's not pronounced "main" like "Main Street, USA", but like the word "mine". As stated, it is the name of the river, as there is a Frankfurt on the Oder river.

"AM" is a contraction of "An dem", a particularly vicious little grammatical idiosyncracy of German that I never could master. The three words for "the", der, die, and das (Masculine, feminine, and neuter) as subject (nominative case) become den, die, and das in the accusitive (direct object) case, but become dem, den, and dem in the indirect object case (what's that one called?). As I gave up, certain words always take certain cases, so you just learn to deal with it.

Not bad for twenty years since my last lesson, huh?

I'm am amazed... You can explain that better than some of the "born here" germans Big grin. You might even speak it better than some of the germans a have to listen to.

But it's rather easy.
am = an dem
im = in dem
Beim = Bei dem
vom = von dem

it's actually always the same rule.
But maybe now you can explain me the use of "albeit". Though i know what the word means i never seem to have a sentence where this word "works".

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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:26 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 13):
I surely knew it's not good enough to be the main airport in Europe! I believe Fraport is not up the the German standard. There is no clear structure and it's partly old and messy. Dark corridors to the parking garages, dirty toilets.

IMO it's a big contrasts with airports like DUS and MUC. Those are very well structured and clean.

So for me it was always obvious: Main must be the dirty river....

Seems you havn't been to FRA or Frankfurt at all or at least not in the last couple of years.
First of all, FRAPORT is not the name of the airport but the name of the airport operator. The old Terminal 1 is nearly completely renovated and not messy at all. Well, you can argue about the structure but compared to airports of this size (LHR, CDG, JFK) FRA imho is well structured. MUC and DUS are a lot smaller.

And last but not least, the Main river isn't that dirty. You can actually swim in it.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 5:39 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Actually, it is Frankfurt am Main and Frankfurt an der Oder

Yeah, it's a crazy language - both (Main and Oder) are rivers, but the river Main is male and Oder is female. Anybody knows the reasons for that?

I asume that the female Oder is (like women) incalculable , as we saw during Oder flooding in August, 2002  Wink

Any other reasons?

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 13):
I believe Fraport is not up the the German standard. There is no clear structure and it's partly old and messy. Dark corridors to the parking garages, dirty toilets.

At T1 there was a construction area for the parking garages which made the walk a little uncomfortable. Toilets are dirty when there are people who use them and don't behave and nobody cleans them minutes later.

As FraT wrote: it seems you haven't been to FRA for ages.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:03 pm

Another German lesson  Smile
As you can see the German language fails to be consistent concerning the gender of rivers, some being masculine others being feminine. All place names like X_am_river are situated on masculine rivers eg Frankfurt am Main, all those with names like X_an der_river are situated on feminine rivers eg Frankfurt an der Oder (due to he dative "am" and "an der"). There are in fact only 5 major rivers in Germany which are masculine, der Main being one. I'll leave it up to the geography experts to figure out the other 4.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:07 pm

Well, as far as the arrivals level is concerned, down where the McDonalds is near the railway station, this part of the airport is still pretty ugly.
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:54 pm

Quoting FraT (Reply 20):
Seems you havn't been to FRA or Frankfurt at all or at least not in the last couple of years.

How can I not have been there being Star Alliance gold? Last time was August, previous to that July. Both 2005..  Smile

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 21):
Toilets are dirty when there are people who use them and don't behave and nobody cleans them minutes later.

One of my last visits I had to wait pretty long for my connection to DUS. So, instead of just hanging out in the lounges I walked through some different piers and had almost the same impression in different parts.

Quoting FraT (Reply 20):
First of all, FRAPORT is not the name of the airport but the name of the airport operator.

I stand corrected.  footinmouth 

Quoting FraT (Reply 20):
Well, you can argue about the structure but compared to airports of this size (LHR, CDG, JFK) FRA imho is well structured.

Agreed, but a lot of others IMHO look better: to mention a few ORD, ATL, SYD, a lot of Asian airports, and hell, even AMS.... But my point was more that DUS and MUC are very beautiful and well-structured and that the main airport is not as good.

But don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of Lufthansa and Germany, I'm just not so impressed by FRA...  sorry 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 6:58 pm

Quoting CTRL_ALT_DEL (Reply 22):
There are in fact only 5 major rivers in Germany which are masculine, der Main being one. I'll leave it up to the geography experts to figure out the other 4

Hmm,
Rhein, Main, Neckar, Inn. But no idea abouth the fifth one...
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:06 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 24):
But my point was more that DUS and MUC are very beautiful and well-structured

DUS and T2 @ MUC are very new structures; T1 @ MUC was simply overcrowded before T2 opened.

T1 @ FRA needs to be considered an old structure (except the extension of pier A) with improvements / repairs being a constant factor, but it really have a number of corners that could see some further improvements. But to carry out all these improvements in a terminal (3 halls plus 3 piers) that handles tens of millions pax a year is a challenge ...

Quoting CTRL_ALT_DEL (Reply 22):
There are in fact only 5 major rivers in Germany which are masculine, der Main being one.

1. Main
2. Neckar
3. Inn
4. Regen
5. Rhein (okay, I peeked for this one)

P.S. If it weren´t for the "side discussion about FRA´s terminal" this thread would better be loacted in "non-av" ...
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:12 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 10):
Not on my Atlas....I have Frankfurt-am-Oder too.

It's definitely Frankfurt an der Oder, trust me!  Wink

If you read the amazingly elaborated statement about der, die, das und dem, den (which absolutely correct by the way!!), you'll find out that it would mean, the river Oder is masculine, "Der Oder", but in reality it's "Die Oder", that is feminine.

Unfortunately and to make things much much worse, this is not a general rule, der is River Rhine "Der Rhein", "Der Neckar", but "Die Donau", "Die Spree".

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Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:19 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 26):
But to carry out all these improvements in a terminal (3 halls plus 3 piers) that handles tens of millions pax a year is a challenge ...

Respect for that. But still the overall impression (also look at Airevents post) isn't very good.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:20 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 24):
How can I not have been there being Star Alliance gold?

Erm...you can even be Hon. Circle without ever touching FRA grounds! Funny argument, that...


How about "Der Eisbach" in Munich??? Some people swear it's a major river...sometimes during summer I tend to agree  Wink
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:32 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 28):
But to carry out all these improvements in a terminal (3 halls plus 3 piers) that handles tens of millions pax a year is a challenge ...

Respect for that. But still the overall impression (also look at Airevents post) isn't very good.

Still I do agree !

Quoting Andreas (Reply 29):
How about "Der Eisbach" in Munich??? Some people swear it's a major river...sometimes during summer I tend to agree

A "Bach" ( = "creek") does not qualify as a river ...  Smile
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:41 pm

Quoting HT (Reply 30):
A "Bach" ( = "creek") does not qualify as a river ...

I didn't say that, but a lot of Bavarians would disagree here...and I said "a major river" THE river so to speak....if you happen to be in Munich during the summer, just go there and you'll know IMMEDIATELY what I mean  Wink Big grin
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:33 pm

1. Main
2. Neckar
3. Inn
4. Regen
5. Rhein (okay, I peeked for this one)

P.S. If it weren´t for the "side discussion about FRA´s terminal" this thread would better be loacted in "non-av" ...
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Actually there could be 6, but my source does not count Der Regen as a major river. But there is one more, quite an easy one if you live in the South of Germany.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:28 pm

Quoting CTRL_ALT_DEL (Reply 32):
But there is one more, quite an easy one

"Der Fluss" ??  duck 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:42 pm

Oder=Odra=Lake otter  Silly
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:13 pm

Quoting CTRL_ALT_DEL (Reply 32):
Actually there could be 6, but my source does not count Der Regen as a major river. But there is one more, quite an easy one if you live in the South of Germany.

Der Lech !
This one slipped my mind !
So 3 of Germany´s 6 maculine rivers flow their water into the river Donau (aka. Danube like in LNZ´s "Blue Danube Airport" - or "Duna" in some countries downstream ...).
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:13 pm

It is similar to Shanghai.
In Shanghai it is called Pudong.. I think I heard it means something close to "on the other side of Dong" Dong should be the name of the river floating through Shanghai?
 
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:14 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
And doesn't Oder translate to "other"? If so, what's the "other" river - the Rhine?

"Oder" is the German word for "or"

Quoting HT (Reply 30):
A "Bach" ( = "creek") does not qualify as a river ...

"Bach" I know is a creek, in Freiburg they talk about "Baechle" (little creeks) that run through the streets of the old town.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:44 am

I was aware of this but only recently after I had booked a flight to FRA in december.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:45 am

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Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:36 am

To all of you: THANK YOU!! Big grin  Big grin

Finally I see people exchanging opinions and information in a mature way,without a childlike war.
And very informative.It make me thing twice if I should learn German...  Wink

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Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:54 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 15):
Therefore gramatically Frankfurt lies "an dem" river Main, what is usually shortened in German to "am". The other Frankfurt lies "an der" Oder. But for this combination is no short form.

Uhm.... "Frankfurt/Oder" is a common term... I think I have never heard some anchorman on TV say "Frankfurt an der Oder". They just refer to it as "Frankfurt Oder"...
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:12 am

Quoting NumberTwelve (Reply 21):
Yeah, it's a crazy language - both (Main and Oder) are rivers, but the river Main is male and Oder is female. Anybody knows the reasons for that?



Quoting FraT (Reply 25):
Quoting CTRL_ALT_DEL (Reply 22):
There are in fact only 5 major rivers in Germany which are masculine, der Main being one. I'll leave it up to the geography experts to figure out the other 4

Hmm,
Rhein, Main, Neckar, Inn. But no idea abouth the fifth one...

It is realy funny, some rivers are masculine but more are feminine. Here in Switzerland we have a lot of rivers:

Some examples:

masculine:

Rhein
Inn

feminine:

Rhone
Aare
Reuss
Limmat
Thur
Töss
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:29 am

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 40):
Finally I see people exchanging opinions and information in a mature way,without a childlike war.

That is only because this is not about Boeing or Airbus...

This thread makes me wonder: what would be the ratio of Airbusses to Boeings on FRABig grin This might just be the only main airport with an Airbus majority.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting Jush (Reply 19):
But maybe now you can explain me the use of "albeit". Though i know what the word means i never seem to have a sentence where this word "works".

English is a strange language, so don't expect it to make any sense. But here goes.

You would use "albeit" in a sentence such as the following:

I finally boarded my flight, albeit two hours late, to find that my luggage hadn't made it.

OR

He found the lavatories in the aircraft quite elderly, albeit clean.

Starting to get the picture?

Think of it as a "sidenote". I could write the same sentences in English the following way, but I would lose some of the meaning.

I finally boarded my flight two hours later, to find that my luggage hadn't made it.

OR, to keep the meaning

He found the lavatories in the aircraft quite elderly, although clean.

Hope that helps.

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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:45 am

al·be·it

Pronunciation: ol-'bE-&t, al-

Function: conjunction

Etymology: Middle English, literally, all though it be

: conceding the fact that : even though
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:50 am

Quoting A3xx900 (Reply 41):
Uhm.... "Frankfurt/Oder" is a common term... I think I have never heard some anchorman on TV say "Frankfurt an der Oder". They just refer to it as "Frankfurt Oder"...

just like they like to say Frankfurt Main... it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.

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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting A3xx900 (Reply 41):
Quoting JoFMO (Reply 15):
Therefore gramatically Frankfurt lies "an dem" river Main, what is usually shortened in German to "am". The other Frankfurt lies "an der" Oder. But for this combination is no short form.

Uhm.... "Frankfurt/Oder" is a common term... I think I have never heard some anchorman on TV say "Frankfurt an der Oder". They just refer to it as "Frankfurt Oder"...

Just like they say Frankfurt Main. Then again, a lot of times, they just say "Frankfurt" and everyone knows it is the one in Hessen
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 47):
Just like they say Frankfurt Main. Then again, a lot of times, they just say "Frankfurt" and everyone knows it is the one in Hessen

Indeed, Frankfurt/Main most often is called only "Frankfurt", while the other Frankfurt is referred to as "Frankfurt/Oder" - this is at least in the media and by those people not living in the vicinity of Frankfurt/Oder.
"Thankfully" there´s no commercial airport around Frankfurt/Oder - so there´s no potential for confusion.

Much more complicated is the situation with cities called "Neustadt" (translates into "new town") in Germany.
There are 30 of them w/o any additional words plus another 20 with additional words (mainly referring to regions and rivers). Very good for confusion (especially to foreign travellers !).
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RE: Frankfurt "Main", What's In A Name?

Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:17 am

Quoting Jush (Reply 19):
but become dem, den, and dem in the indirect object case

Actually I think it's dem, der, dem. Am I wrong ?

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