daron4000
Posts: 604
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:17 pm

Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:47 pm

What is the difference between Austrian and Lauda Airlines? They both seem very nice, although from Austrian's website, it seems like they are more normal and Lauda is more charter oriented. Still, the meals on both, even on short European flights, look great, and on airlinemeals.net, there is a feature on Lauda that makes them look like they have great catering. Also, do they fly to Male, and do either of them fly to the US? Thanks for your input.
 
md90fan
Posts: 2798
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:15 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 12:55 pm

OS and NG are part of the OS group and bthey both operate service from VIE, OS/NG flies to the US IAD,JFK,ORD and then NG has charter they have a pretty diverse group : A32X,A33X/A34X 73G,738,76S,772 (and recently 737 classics and MD-8X) and Fokker 100 and then there is OS Arrows or OS Regional but that is something else. I hoped that helped you out.

-Devan   

[Edited 2005-09-28 05:56:45]
http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
 
VORFMD
Posts: 325
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:32 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:19 pm

Quoting Daron4000 (Thread starter):
Also, do they fly to Male, and do either of them fly to the US? Thanks for your input.

VIE - MLE up to 3 x weekly via Colombo with B763ER

OS has Flights to JFK and IAD, both daily
 
Leskova
Posts: 5547
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:39 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 3:48 pm

They used to be separate carriers, quite fierce competition, actually.

Nikki Lauda used the money he earned as Formula 1 champion to start up his airline, but OS, back then, tried just about everything to get him out of business; they partly succeeded, which led to Lauda returning to the Formula 1 circuit to earn more money (I also think this was the phase in which he had his big accident, but I'm not sure there) to prep up his airline.

While OS kept doing just about everything to get him out of business again, he succeeded this time around. He offered great service at good fares and routes that, either for the most part or completely, weren't offered by OS. The airline started growing.

I remember reading about his ways of getting around red tape on some issues - while I'm not absolutely sure if this is just an urban legend, there's the story of his first flights to Australia: the airline didn't have the authority to fly into Australia yet on scheduled services, but the flights were already booked quite well - so he simply sold those tickets as flights from Vienna to Bangkok with a complimentary continuation to Sydney (or was it Melbourne?) - that way, he didn't have to wait for the permission but could start flying right away. He, obviously, lost some money doing this, but it worked as great marketing.

Over the years, Lufthansa started investing in Lauda - and that was the point where it had become somewhat clear that OS would not manage getting them out of the market anymore.

At some point, OS and NG started moving closer together, but I'm not sure about the inital reasons - I guess it would have been something along the lines of Austria being too small for two longhaul carriers, even if they're non-overlapping. At some point, OS took over the investment that LH had in NG, and the integration into OS began.

Then, of course, there was Nikki Lauda's departure from NG - after using company money for currency speculation, which went bad, he was forced to resign; around this time, OS gained either majority or full control, basically in the form of a bailout.

Hope I listed the short history of OS and NG correctly...

Regards,
Frank
Smile - it confuses people!
 
Ozair
Posts: 1344
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:38 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 7:46 pm

That's a great summary Leskova, I never knew that Austrian and Lauda were now so interconnected.

What is the relationship with Star Alliance and Lauda? Austrian is a committed member, will Lauda be admitted in the future or will it simply become Austrian in the future?
 
OHLHD
Posts: 2903
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:02 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:45 pm

Quoting Leskova (Reply 3):
At some point, OS and NG started moving closer together, but I'm not sure about the inital reasons - I guess it would have been something along the lines of Austria being too small for two longhaul carriers, even if they're non-overlapping. At some point, OS took over the investment that LH had in NG, and the integration into OS began.

NG was about to breakdown. They run out of money. OS took them over and than "fired" Lauda as a pilot. OS is still suffering because od the differnt A/C they took over.

Now they are phasing out the 737 classics. They cancelled an outstanding order for the 4th 777 and instead took delivery of 3 738 which OS likes a lot as the ordered one more not long time ago.

Simply to say. There is no LaudaAir anymore. It is just OS. They only use the logo and brand for charter flights.
They are also painting the ex-NG A/C in OS colors, and in the end only 2 or 3 A320 will remain in the old LaudaAir colors.
 
Glareskin
Posts: 1001
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:35 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:26 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 5):
and in the end only 2 or 3 A320 will remain in the old LaudaAir colors.

Do you know why? Doesn't make sence.
There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
 
OHLHD
Posts: 2903
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:02 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:13 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 6):
Do you know why? Doesn't make sence.

It is the brand that makes money for them. They even have some charter flights still with NG flightnumbers.
A huge amount of people in Austria simple just want to fly LaudaAir and they feel good and safe when they step into a LaudaAir painted A/C.
I must admit that I am everything else than a Lauda fan as for me N.Lauda is a ...... but I cannot deny that the service was good. But as they started to struggle the service went down as well.
 
Paul
Posts: 514
Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:59 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:51 pm

Lauda are part of Star Alliance however they are chanelled through OS. The airline is fantastic, I flew with them in C Class from VIE-SYD and the service and food was just unreal.

Great airline but need to replace their Business Class seat, they are not very comfortable. Does anyone know when they plan to update the 777 seats?

regards

Paul
Veni, vidi, vici.
 
OHLHD
Posts: 2903
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:02 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:06 am

Paul: NG is not existing anymore. It is OS. From the pilots to the ramp agent all are OS Staff.
 
DH106
Posts: 592
Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:32 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:07 am

Did Lauda's loss of 767 OE-LAV in the horrific May 1991 'thrust reverser' crash have any bearing on events in the above story - did it weaken Lauda at all or cause loss of public perception?
...I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate....
 
OHLHD
Posts: 2903
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:02 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:38 am

Quoting DH106 (Reply 10):
Did Lauda's loss of 767 OE-LAV in the horrific May 1991 'thrust reverser' crash have any bearing on events in the above story - did it weaken Lauda at all or cause loss of public perception?

Yes they lost it after dep from BKK. Instead of avoiding NG people started to support Lauda actually. Also with the help of the media.

NG was always the loved airline by the media where as OS gets kicked in the ass every 2nd month for doing something bad.

There was even an interesting artile when a B738 returned to VIE after sudden preassure loss in the cabin and the newspaper said that it was only OS fault because MX were not as good as the NG MX back than.

Funny part: The MX who take care of the Boeing fleet is still the old NG MX`s.
 
AwysBSB
Posts: 450
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:58 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:15 am

Quoting Leskova

Maybe if Richard Branson had acquired the Nikki Lauda’s carrier the NG situation would be better now.
The marketing purpose of Lauda seems to be very similar to the Virgin Atlantic’s.
 
N1120A
Posts: 26467
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Ozair (Reply 4):
What is the relationship with Star Alliance and Lauda? Austrian is a committed member, will Lauda be admitted in the future or will it simply become Austrian in the future?

Lauda is part of STAR as they are part of OS Group

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 5):
NG was about to breakdown. They run out of money. OS took them over and than "fired" Lauda as a pilot. OS is still suffering because od the differnt A/C they took over.

Actually, the different aircraft are one of the best things to happen to OS. OS is getting rid of the aircraft that were their's originally and ordering more of the types that flew for NG. As part of the settlement with Niki Lauda, he was able to keep a corporate jet that belonged to NG, along with a nice sized severence package
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
OHLHD
Posts: 2903
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:02 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Actually, the different aircraft are one of the best things to happen to OS. OS is getting rid of the aircraft that were their's originally and ordering more of the types that flew for NG. As part of the settlement with Niki Lauda, he was able to keep a corporate jet that belonged to NG, along with a nice sized severence package

That is true. Well they started quite a while after the takeover to order new 738.
Now they are getting rid of the 342 in favor for a new 772ER. In my opinion they could even go for a 773 as the demand for seats on their OS1/2
(VIE-KUL-SYD) route is there as those flights are virually full every day. But thats my personal opinion but one is not a good number, and they just need one 772 at this time.

The 772 was/is the best thing that could eventully happend to OS.
 
bongo
Posts: 1783
Joined: Sat Oct 04, 2003 5:32 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:10 am

LESKOVA: great summary of the situation...but I also would like to know in which moment Niki airlines appeared


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © T.Laurent

MDE: First airport in the Americas visited by the A380!
 
N1120A
Posts: 26467
Joined: Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:40 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:17 am

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 14):
In my opinion they could even go for a 773 as the demand for seats on their OS1/2
(VIE-KUL-SYD) route is there as those flights are virually full every day. But thats my personal opinion but one is not a good number, and they just need one 772 at this time.

Actually, to run that route, they would need 3 773ERs

Quoting Bongo (Reply 15):
...but I also would like to know in which moment Niki airlines appeared

It is actually known as flyNiki and Lauda started it when he took over the mess that was Aero Lloyd I do believe
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
 
daron4000
Posts: 604
Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2005 12:17 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:01 am

I was also wondering, when starting the post, what the service is like, and how it compares and differs. I know the seats aren't great, although they looked good in C on the Airbus for Austrian from airliners.net search. Still, from airlinemeals.net, there is a feature in the behind sections if you click the link and click Lauda, you will see. http://www.airlinemeals.net/indexBehindthescenes.html
It looks quite delicious and wondered if anyone had info on the two's catering styles. Also, on the official website, their menus, even for short flights, looks great in C so if you have info, please post it. Thanks for the many replies already.
 
Leskova
Posts: 5547
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:39 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:30 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
It is actually known as flyNiki and Lauda started it when he took over the mess that was Aero Lloyd I do believe

And, not surprisingly, you believe correctly; well, almost...  Wink... it was Aero Lloyd Austria.

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 17):
although they looked good in C on the Airbus for Austrian from airliners.net search

Those on the A340 (haven't flown on their A330s yet) actually always were quite comfortable, though I have to admit that it's been ages since I've flown OS on longhauls - must have been somewhere around 1998/2000...

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 12):
Quoting Leskova

Maybe I missed it - but where did you quote me?

Regards,
Frank
Smile - it confuses people!
 
Glareskin
Posts: 1001
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:35 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:52 pm

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 7):
It is the brand that makes money for them.

But the question is: why do they only keep a few under the Lauda brand. I flew VIE - SYD a couple of times with them and I'm very impressed by the service.
There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
 
OHLHD
Posts: 2903
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:02 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:56 pm

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 19):
But the question is: why do they only keep a few under the Lauda brand. I flew VIE - SYD a couple of times with them and I'm very impressed by the service.

Thats a good question but I do not have an answer.  Smile
 
FrancoBlanco
Posts: 382
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:38 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:18 am

Quoting Leskova (Reply 3):
Nikki Lauda used the money he earned as Formula 1 champion to start up his airline, but OS, back then, tried just about everything to get him out of business; they partly succeeded, which led to Lauda returning to the Formula 1 circuit to earn more money (I also think this was the phase in which he had his big accident, but I'm not sure there) to prep up his airline.

NIKI Lauda (Niki being short for Andreas Nikolaus) quit his F1 career in 1979 mostly because of personal problems with Enzo Ferrari. One of those problems was that Ferrari never accepted the fact that Lauda had surrendered the Grand Prix of Japan 1976, giving away the world championship to James Hunt. Lauda had his terrible crash earlier that year, at the Grand Prix of Germany (Nürburgring) on August 1st, 1976 and was still a bit shaky in Japan.

Later in 1979 he founded Lauda Air. They only had two Fokker 27 at the beginning and because of several problems Lauda Air went down in 1982.
Niki Lauda returned to Formula 1 (not only because of the money) and in 1984 he became world champion for the third time (after 1975 and 1977), thus becoming one of the most successful racers ever.

Niki Lauda quit F1 for good in 1985 and only a few months later he resurrected Lauda Air, this time being more aggressive. The planes were two leased BAC 1-11 and an old 737-200, but in 1986 the airline´s first new A/C arrived, the 737-300s OE-ILF and OE-ILG.

NG´s problems with OS started by the end of the 80s when NG started to fly scheduled flights and long-hauls to Asia and Australia.

For more info see the following thread or PM me: Niki Lauda Flies His Latest A320 From TLS (by Beaucaire Sep 25 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Sebastian
'Pointless!' - NY Times
 
HKGKaiTak
Posts: 971
Joined: Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:48 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:00 am

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 19):
But the question is: why do they only keep a few under the Lauda brand. I flew VIE - SYD a couple of times with them and I'm very impressed by the service.

I think they've kept it on the SYD route because of the brand that Lauda had built up, no-one here in Oz has ever heard of Austrian.
4 Engines 4 LongHaul
 
AwysBSB
Posts: 450
Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:58 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:59 pm

Quote:
Quoting Leskova (Reply 18):
Maybe I missed it - but where did you quote me?



The summary of NG’s situation you wrote reported the sad end of a great airline.
If I replied it suggesting a solution which NG could have followed, I did it to enrich your discuss and to unavoidably quote you.
 white 
 
Leskova
Posts: 5547
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 3:39 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:55 pm

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 23):
to unavoidably quote you.

Ah, ok... don't worry, no need for a white flag...  Wink

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 21):
NG´s problems with OS started by the end of the 80s when NG started to fly scheduled flights and long-hauls to Asia and Australia.

Thank you for adding the missing pieces!!! There were some parts of the history that I just wasn't able to locate in my brain anymore... Big grin

Regards,
Frank
Smile - it confuses people!
 
Glareskin
Posts: 1001
Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:35 pm

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:59 pm

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 22):
I think they've kept it on the SYD route because of the brand that Lauda had built up, no-one here in Oz has ever heard of Austrian.

If this was the case I would have unterstood, but this was OHLHD's quote:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 5):
in the end only 2 or 3 A320 will remain in the old LaudaAir colors.

I figure they are not going to do VIE - SYD with 2 or 3 A320...  Big grin
There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
 
FrancoBlanco
Posts: 382
Joined: Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:38 am

RE: Lauda And Austrian

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:23 pm

@Leskova:

No problem! Here in Austria we don´t have that much national heroes so it is easy to remember each one´s curriculum!

Sebastian
'Pointless!' - NY Times

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Aesma, Alexpaok, Baidu [Spider], CANPILOT, ChristopherS, concentriq, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], jaybird, jetblastdubai, jfk777, Miami, PA515, Stitch, Sylus, tcaeyx, TK787, unusualattitude and 259 guests