Continental777
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Valujet Loss

Fri May 12, 2000 7:36 am

Today, 5-11-2000 is the mourning day for the 592 Valujet crash.   I liked that critter, and I would have seen a Valujet B717-200 if Airtran Airways would not have been their new name.  
 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Fri May 12, 2000 7:42 am

Unfortunately Shit happens in this world. A lot of it.

RIP.
 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Fri May 12, 2000 9:11 am

Valujet would've been good if they had a good management team like Legend, Pan Am 3 or JetBlue. Then we would see them around today. But the VJ management screwed up along with Sabre tech (the oxygen canisters belonged to them and they didn't pack it right and VJ should've inspected it before it came aboard the aircraft before accepting the cargo) and alot of innocent men, women and children died including a family of 5 (husband, wife and three kids below age 13) and an NFL football player. As a result Valujet owed a lot of people compensation for their loved ones and the Valujet name was disgraced so in 1998 Valujet bought Air Tran leaving the Valujet name behind. You can say it's sot of like a wolf in sheep's clothing.
"FUIMUS"
 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Fri May 12, 2000 11:14 am

This is a tragedy that I would pay to forget but it will still be seared in my memory. I remember the day I heard about it on the radio....R.I.P. to the deceased and sympathy for the families of the lost loved ones.

 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Fri May 12, 2000 9:31 pm

No one other than the families of the lost feel the pain like the employees. I spent several sleepless nights wondering if I was responsible for one hundred and ten lives. It is something that I wouldn't wish on anyone. You can imagine my relief when the truth of the tradgedy came to light, but it still didn't cause my grief to subside. Today I still ponder thoughts of that day four years ago and my deepest sympathies go out to all of the families who lost loved ones.

Just remember that the management of Valujet was not all that dumb. If they were dumb they would never had enough money to survive the ensuing shut down and followed FAA scrutiny. There were many very hard lessons to be learned from that incident that have forever changed the course of aviation.

May God Bless,

critter
 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Sat May 13, 2000 12:11 am

The ValuJet crash was indeed a horrible, horrible tragedy. While media pundits were throwing around their theories and opinions, they rarely stopped to think about those souls who perished aboard the ill-fated flight and the sorrow their loved ones will have to bear. Most appalling was a New Jersey radio show that asked listeners whether they would fly aboard an aircraft piloted by a woman. The (female) captain was in no way at fault; neither her competence (which was acknowledged among peers as excellent) nor her gender played any role. Let's not forget all the fine people who were killed and those who will be affected for a long, long time.
The aeroplane has unveiled for us the true face of the earth. -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
 
FrontierMan
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RE: Valujet Loss

Sat May 13, 2000 1:25 am

The Valujet tradgedy was very sad, but there were two people to blame for the shutdown. The media and Valujet's management were the two people who shut Valujet down. Valujet was crucified by the media. It was unfair towards Valujet, however those canisters should not have been there. If you all notice, we remember the Valujet accident. Not because of how horrible it was, but how terrible the coverage was. How biased the news coverage was, and how the newspeople targeted the low-fare airline. There are hardly any people who remember the ComAir crash in Ohio, but we can all remember the Valujet crash. I really don't believe that the FAA was to blame for Valujet's name-change. I believe that it was the media. I have their last timetable from Akron-Canton. Valujet was a good company, and I believe they had learned their lesson from the crash. I miss the planes with Critter. I remember one day a Valujet DC-9 flew really low over my house. I was so happy, and I'll never forget that day. I'll never forget how revolutionary Valujet really was, and how far they sank fares. I really miss Critter. I also think that those people on that plane should have had to die. Sabretech should be liable, and not Valujet. There should be a memorial for all those on board placed in Florida.
May Valujet and those on board 592 rest in peace.
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RE: Valujet Loss

Sat May 13, 2000 1:36 am

I heard on what trash the radio announcer had said. I called the station and complained to the man on the phone who turned out to be one of the executives at the station and i told him on how incensitive you people were to the captain and her family. It was bad enough that their mom,daughter,wife had died in such a horrible tragedy with alot of other people but the families don't need people like you to tarish the reputation of a woman who's efforts to save her passengers and crew went in vain. It's because of people like you that females in all professions get a bad name from their male counterparts and they get the impression from others that they're not up to the job. Women have come along way. Just give them a chance to succeed. After I had said what I said the man apologized for the radio station's behavior. I would've called during the show but I heard the last few minutes as I had just tuned in to the topic on it's final minutes and I couldn't get through.
"FUIMUS"
 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Sat May 13, 2000 7:57 am

Unfortunatly, to those who love Critter (and this is no offence), the people who worked there worked there out of lack of choice. Management had convinced itself that by paying very low wages, they could find pilots who "just wanted to fly", but that's not how the pilots saw it, they felt defeated. ValuJet was a convinience, but far from a good idea. But I mourn greatly for those who died at the hands of one idea gone horribly, horribly, wrong.
 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Sat May 13, 2000 8:40 am

I was watching the MSNBC special on why airplanes crash and on Valujet592, they said the airline was already in hotwater with the FAA.the oxygen cannisters should have been inspected, i personally think Valujet would have stayed in buissness if the media had not critizized them as much, if it had been an airline like BA or some other world class airline, the media would have definately not critisized them as much. I remember more than anything the fun color scheme of Valujet and that flying was safe and fun, unfortunately,that wasn't the case for 592 and it crashed in the everglades. unfortunately no one survived the fatal crash and all was lost, it was sad that it happened, unfortunately, the media did not see it that way but they saw it to critisize a small airline. many people's lives were lost in a very sad way and many loved ones and relatives and friends were lost. I mourn for the families who lost loved ones, the friends who were lost and and the people who's lives were lost. may God bless them. 
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FrontierMan
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SWA

Sun May 14, 2000 12:00 am

SWA, Valujet would have crushed Southwest in the Florida Markets (no offence). Their fares killed southwest's. $30 to Florida from New York City. Valujet was way to scrutinized by the media. I would not be surprised if other airlines paid off companies like NBC and CBS to make biased coverage towards the crash. Look at the coverage versus the Alaska Airlines crash. The workers were still negligent. People still died, but they didn't make such a big deal as with Valujet. AirTran still continues to crush SWA in the Forida Markets. I wouldn't say Valujet was an idea gone terribly, terribly wrong. After the crash the company had a near perfect safety record. That proves that Valujet still worked. The fares were just as low, but thanks to the media, Valujet couldn't get the load factors. Spirit, AirTran, and Frontier are beating Southwest at their own game. Spirit reported a 75% load factor. The dumbest thing Southwest did was go to Cleveland Hopkins. They should have picked Canton-Akron. Cleveland has nothing but delays, and Akron-Canton still puts out Cleveland's load factor for companies like AirTran. I hope Southwest has some incident like Valujet's. Then, I would like for you to see the media's coverage. Then if the FAA grounds Southwest, and they change names or go-away. I'd like to see what you say when you lose your favorite airline. You are showing no respect for those of us who liked Valujet. It would be the same way if I showed disrespect for your favorite airline. In the future try to show a little respect.
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RE: Valujet Loss

Sun May 14, 2000 12:53 am

FrontierMan,

I can't agree with you more on the comments you made with the exception of one. you were absolutley correct about ValuJet's strong presence in the Florida markets, and how the media just ripped ValuJet apart. I do have to say that I wouldn't wish an accident or incident on anyone. I was with Valujet at the time of the accident and much grief was spent by all of the employees over the loss of our co-workers, loyal passengers and friends. It is not something that I would wish on anyone. As far as Southwest, even the mighty and proud Pan Am and Eastern fell. Every airline eventually has hard times, and Southwest will too. For the Employees of Southwest's sake, I hope that it doesn't demorilize them. The people at Valujet have proved that they were strong and have overcome and adapted to their deficencies. Kudos to them!

critter
 
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Critter

Sun May 14, 2000 1:46 am

I agree with you totally on everything you said Critter. I don't wish that people die. I was just saying how SWA737-500 shouldn't come in and bash my favorite airline. I was going for a "how would you like it if you were in my shoes" motif. I did come off a little too strong. I'm sorry , I don't wish a crash on SWA. I do wish that they would get busted on something like predatory practices or something like that. Then, SWA would see my point of view. Critter I like where you're coming from and I agree with you totally. Yes Kudos for the people who worked for Valujet they had to go through a lot of grief and hard times.
FrontierMan
 
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RE: Critter

Sun May 14, 2000 3:52 am

Oh come off it FrontierMan, you only said that because you dislike SWA so you dislike me. But what I said was not an opinion, it's a fact. Employees of ValuJet were paid much less than those at American, or United, etc. That doesn't mean it caused the crash, I never said it did, but it was not a good idea. The last link in the crash, the last possible point when they could have been saved was when the copilot, Richard Hazen, accepted the oxy canisters, and placed them in the forward cargo hold, which has no fire detectors.

FrontierMan, please don't bring SWA into this just because of my name. May I remind you that 110 people are dead? You show a little respect.

Oh, and one more thing, doesn't it seem a little hypocritical for you to ask me to not bash YOUR favorite airline? Just thought I'd give you something to think about.
 
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RE: Critter

Sun May 14, 2000 9:53 am

The difference is that this is that I'm on the Defensive side. Yes 110 people are dead and I've been showing respect. I was talking about the airline and not the crash in particular. Well perhaps I was a little wrong in bashing Southwest. Just because someone pays less than someone else does not neccesarily mean its low. The people to blame are Sabretech. I've got news for you SWA, 10 percent of planes have cargo hold smoke detectors. It won't be mandated until 2003.
 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Sun May 14, 2000 12:50 pm

Speaking if cargo hold smoke detectors only FedEx and UPS has them in their aircraft. Only DelTa airlines is the only passenger carrier I know that started instalation in late 1997. EL AL probably has them too Hey they even have Missle dectections radars as well as chaffs which deply if a missle is coming toward the aircraft. EL AL has this on all of their aircraft.
"FUIMUS"
 
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The Critter Is In Movies

Sun May 14, 2000 1:07 pm

today i was watching fear and loathing in las vegas and i saw a value jet dc-9 in the backround when they are at the airport in las vegas. its kind of funny that a movie based in the 70's would have a value jet airplane in it.
 
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RE: The Critter Is In Movies

Sun May 14, 2000 1:59 pm

What's even funnier is that it was in LAS  
 
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RE: Valujet Loss

Sun May 14, 2000 2:05 pm

yeah, it must have been filmed while they were shut down and had the planes sitting in the desert to avoid corrosion.