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"Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:02 pm

The worst international airports in the world according to Mr. Chris Elliot, Microsoft's Travel Analyst. I don't agree with his coments. In Mexico, our government spend $400 million USD (326 million euro) to remodel MEX international. Hopefully after the project is complete, the bashing of MEX airport will stop.


http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusine..._worst_international_airports.mspx
 
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Wed Sep 28, 2005 9:26 pm

You have to admit though, his comments about LHR are spot on!
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:05 pm

While I agree on the bad design of CDG airport (just consider that all terminals, made by the same architect, have totally different designs), I would prefer Microsoft to use its money for improving its systems (there is work to do!) and not for criticising other activities.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:12 pm

Quoting TGV (Reply 2):
I would prefer Microsoft to use its money for improving its systems (there is work to do!) and not for criticising other activities.

But it is OK for you to spend time criticising Microsoft. So clearly everything in your world is perfect. Congratulations!
 
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:24 pm

I have to disagree with the comments about LHR. It's quite simple to get around and not get lost, you follow these big yellow things with black writing on called signs. Strange I got bussed to an aircraft at YYZ last week and I didn't think what a disgraceful airport YYZ was. As for the staff I think the writer should look more closely at US airports for humourless beareaucrats, particularly the security and immigration staff.

All the years I've flown out of LHR I've never encountered any major problems, yeah some of the building are showing their age, but BAA is building a brand spanking new terminal which will be followed by renovation of the older terminal buildings.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:29 pm

Microsoft just carries Elliot's column, they don't employ him. He's seen quite a few other places as well. As for his airport assessments, I'm surprised BKK, BOM and CAI weren't mentioned. Any were worse than LHR!
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:35 pm

Just did a trip JFK-IST-SVO-IST-JFK and I have to tell you SVO is one of the worst airports I have ever seen. Just my opinion
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 3):
But it is OK for you to spend time criticising Microsoft.

I am not a firm, I am an individual. Nobody pays me for the time I spend criticising Microsoft.

But if, as mentioned by Kanebear, Elliot is not employed by Microsoft, then it is another story.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 10:52 pm

Am a bit surprised by this... as much as I dislike CDG, I have no recollection of "lingering smoke odor" -I do not know whether it is still legal to smoke inside-; also, the criticism of MEX is a bit overstated.

LHR... well is it not that much hell is it?

Had I not known this was the result of an inquiry (?), I would have thought this was just hearsay.

I'd prefer a study involving the questioning of an important number of travelers, am not sure this was done in this case.
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:14 pm

None of them are as bad as Jeddah airport (JED) , or the goat market as it is known locally (lots of shouting, lots of hearding).
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:24 pm

I guess he's a StarAlliance flyer due to the comments regarding CDG. I have to say CDG1 is a horrible place but the rest is fine.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:31 pm

In my opinion LHR most be the worst airport. It’s the only airport, where I constantly hit my head at those yellow and black signs hanging from the ceiling, especially in terminal 2. (Poor design). At an international airport like LHR they should be able to accommodate people with my height (only 192cm).

Further it doesn’t seem like cleanliness have a high priority at LHR.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:36 pm

I had no clue that Microsoft had their own travel review, but whom other than a company that has a choice of many airlines and has offices throughout the world.

I have to agree with the following statement

“It's a dark, confusing maze blocked with security checkpoints staffed by humorless bureaucrats. And just when you think you've found your gate, you're forced to board a rickety bus that takes you to yet another dark, confusing maze of a terminal.”

This explains my LHR experience exactly . . . Entering the tunnels was like entering a cave wondering if I were to see day again. . Although the people are very helpful.


As for CDG/ORY I agree as well . . escalator center . .

"It loops round and round and round, forcing you to walk up and down crisscrossing escalators. When you finally find the way to the next terminal — with no help from Parisians — you realize that you have to take a 10-minute bus ride to get there." Sacre Bleu.”




I also noticed they had “five worst flights to take in the US” http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusine...ricas_5_worst_flights_to_take.mspx

Quoting Juventus (Thread starter):
Juventus

Thank You For sharing the article . .
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:45 pm

LHR aint all that bad imo. and they are in the (slow) process of remodelling, or at least hopefully will be once T5 comes on line. And the buses arent all THAT rickety. but i guess us brits are just used to them!!
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2005 11:51 pm

I love CDG; it's got charm, particularly T1 with the hardcore 60s styling. However I haven't been there at rush hour...
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 12):
I also noticed they had “five worst flights to take in the US” http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusine....mspx

Washington Dulles to Newark. Agree. That flight has never left on time.
 
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:20 am

Since TXL now has international flights, I would rate this small province airport into that list... I hate it.

About FRA, it is true that you have to run extremely long. What I find even worse is the fact that you can (have to) use the escalators with your baggage trolleys. Surprisingly this works, but I fear every time that I will kill everybody ahead of me because my baggage will fall down. Since I have never been to CDG or LHR, I cannot comment on them, I only know that Schiphol is better than FRA, although you also have to walk endlessly
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:30 am

SVO and MEX are horrible.
CDG is too complicated for passengers,beautiful and futuristic OK,but you can get lost trying to connect to other flight.


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Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:31 am

Having been to most of these I have to agree that SVO is probably the worst, although at least it is completely unapologetically so. It makes no pretenses as to being absolutely awful!
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:36 am

I don't much care what airports look like; the only things I really mind are long waits for baggage and any kind of bus involved in the embark/debark ordeal.

I'd rate SFO worst for baggage delays and NRT as most likely to involve a long, crowded bus ride.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:41 am

Yes, SVO is very bad, but I think it a neat historical building from the communist Russia days, I LOVE IT... and the ceiling of the international terminal looks really cool, lol.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:15 am

In my opinion, the guy is biased and nuts. CDG is beautiful and functional. Everytime I have been there, I have had no problems. And what is it that he has against Parisians?

I don't know about FRA or SVO but if they are qualified by this guy's same criteria, I don't think his comments are valid

If you follow the signs in LHR, you will have no trouble. Plus, if you need help, just ask. The staff in this airport is very nice and approachable

MEX, on the other hand, is a functional, efficient airport. Yes, at certain times in the day you might feel crowded but that happens everywhere. It is undergoing a huge renovation program, so I don't see how it can be evaluated. There is no constant on his analysis.

I'm not a smoker, but this guy is a Fascist-Antismoker. Get over it. People will smoke, you can't rate an airport based on this.

An airport requieres many economic resources to be built, and sometimes, designers and arquitects do the best they can with their limited budgets. Considering the amount of people moved by these airports, I'll say they have nothing to do on these list.

This guy should start making more productive evaluations, rather than getting out his personal grudges under the cover of a company like Microsoft
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:50 am

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 12):
I had no clue that Microsoft had their own travel review, but whom other than a company that has a choice of many airlines and has offices throughout the world.

They do own controling shares in a couple online travel companies, Hotels.com most notably, so in a way it makes sense.

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 12):
I also noticed they had “five worst flights to take in the US”

True the business travelers are generally whiny, self-righteous bitches, but there's no way I would ever eschew a flight from L.A. to San Francisco for opportunity to fight traffic up I-5 just to avoid them. He's absoultly right about flying instead from John Wayne or Long Beach, though.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:59 am

Yeah, what's with the smoke thing? Smoking has been prohibited in MEX (other than inside the special designated areas) since, at least, 1995, so I don't understand why he complains about smoke.

As for CDG, I have been there three times (1990 flying PA to JFK; 1996 with AF flights incoming from and departing to MEX and ABJ but no connections; and 2005 with connections between terminals) and I think that in order to get lost at CDG one needs to have an I.Q. close to that of an invertebrate.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:17 am

I certainly agree about FRA being on the list. The one thing he missed that I found most annoying -- the overwhelming smell of BO in their main checkin area (I was checking in at LH at the time, and no! it was not from me or any other single person -- it was "in" the whole terminal).
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:40 am

I disagree about FRA - it's not as bad as he claims... though I do agree that it's not anywhere near perfect.

But...

Quote:
I couldn't even find the luggage claim area for my flight and ended up having to re-enter the secured area after making several wrong turns.

... well, guess what, Mr. Elliot: you quite possibly didn't make any wrong turns, because you actually do leave the secured area before getting to the luggage claim: you go through immigration, get into the landside-part of the terminal and then walk down stairs/escalators to get to the luggage claim - on leaving that, you pass customs.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 21):
I'm not a smoker, but this guy is a Fascist-Antismoker. Get over it. People will smoke, you can't rate an airport based on this.

Actually, I've been called everything from a moderate to violent non-/anti-smoker; but, to be honest, I prefer airports with designated smoking zones to ones without any smoking zones... if you ended up falling for that habit, you've got that as enough of a problem already - there's really no need to make smoker's lives even more miserable by not even permitting them to light up anywhere.  Wink

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 16):
I find even worse is the fact that you can (have to) use the escalators with your baggage trolleys. Surprisingly this works, but I fear every time that I will kill everybody ahead of me because my baggage will fall down.

Well... incidentally, the baggage trolleys are specifically built to go onto the escalators - and in hundreds of trips up and down those escalators, I've only once seen bags fall off, and that was from a trolley loaded up to about 1.5m high... no real surprise there, except that only so few things fell off...

But I agree that it always seems a bit scary, at least when going downwards...

Regards,
Frank

P.S.: I fully agree with his LHR comments, including that about the very friendly and helpful employees all around the airport.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:29 am

I just flew LH longhaul last week outbound via Frankfurt, and return via MUC - and what a huge difference.

FRA: International transit passengers in FRA beware!!! If you have to get from the B Pier to the A Pier, it is quite easy to miss the signs to the Airtrain because most of the arrival/transfer signs direct you to the central core of the B Pier, where there is a very large sign indicating arrivals & transfers. If you make the mistake of following this sign, you find yourself entering immigration control, then making the long walk over to the A pier (because the moving walkway is always out of service) and then having to go back through immigration control again to leave for non-schengen destinations. Unfortunately, the signage for the Airtrain is much smaller and very discreetly placed all the way to the right of the central meeting area. You really need to be looking for it, otherwise it is very easy to miss.

MUC: Outstanding in every way. My inbound flight from SOF ended up with a remote parking position. The bus brings you to a central arrivals lobby where you take lifts to either the G level (for domestic Germany & Schengen counties) or the H level (for non-Schengen). The long terminal has lots of shops and moving walkways that actually work!!! making the long distances very easy to negotiate.

Just FYI... an LH staff member told me that when the U.S. vacates Rhein-Main airbase next year, LH intends to build a brand new Star Alliance terminal on that side of the runway. I hope this is true.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:51 am

Post new things!!

That sure is a VERY OLD report...

MEX...

A new state-of-the-art extension of the east end of the airport recently opened, relieving some of the congestion.

Which was opened in late 2001.


Unfortunately, it's not enough and now there's talk of building another airport to take the pressure off of Benito Juarez Airport..

There's talk... yada yada... that was back in 2002.


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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:55 am

I agree with the list more or less. But BOM and DEL need to be included!

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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:06 am

OK, I guess I'm gonna get in on this one.

As far as LHR is concerned, I do agree that it is somewhat of a maze and I also find that many UK airports have a "old" feeling/impression about them. But the bus ride between the terminals is an absolute blast! How often does one get up close to the action around the airport like that? True, if one has a tight connection, it is troublesome, but still, I enjoy it.

As for FRA, where in the world is there a long walk in FRA? It's never seemed a long walk any where in that airport to me. Cigarette smoke, different country, different rules ... deal with it. I've also never seen just one security screening post open there, it could happen, but I have a feeling that Mr. Elliott's friend who complained about that just wasn't looking hard enough. The only complaint I have about FRA is the sign layouts, still kinda confuses me. But luckily I've been through there so often I don't need the signs for the most part since I know where I'm going.

[Edited 2005-09-28 22:26:08]
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:19 am

Obviously this guy is not a smoker. Anyway...

One thing that gets me is that, in my limited experience, JFK is not that bad. You can take the AirTrain to any terminal and the walks are not that long. Of course if you go to and from an airport often enough, you start to see more of its flaws than its advantages, I guess.

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Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:17 am

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Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:30 am

TOTALLY agreed on SVO. Yes, I have been there, so no flaming please.
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:46 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 29):
As for FRA, where in the world is there a long walk in FRA? It's never seemed a long walk any where in that airport to me. Cigarette smoke, different country, different rules ... deal with it. I've also never seen just one security screening post open there, it could happen, but I have a feeling that Mr. Elliott's friend who complained about that just wasn't looking hard enough. The only complaint I have about FRA is the sign layouts, still kinda confuses me. But luckily I've been through there so often I don't need the signs for the most part since I know where I'm going.

Believe me, you can walk long. I only took Fra twice, and as I live near cologne, I took the ICE train. First the positive thing: It takes only 39mins to get to FRA, something which is absolutely great and incredible. But then the nightmare starts... The way from the train station to T1 is long. You could say, of course, that it exists, at least. True. But still it IS a long walk. Then you have to decide where to go. I do not really find FRA very easy to find around, maybe thats because I have not been there often and I usually don't fly from big airports (CGN is heaven in terms of convenience). But still, it is a long walk, and if you want to go to T2, you have to use the escalators, and although these trolleys are designed to be used on the escalators, I always felt very uncomfortable with that... It worked fine, though...

When we came back, it always seemed like an endless walk to get to the bagage, and after leaving customs it again was such a long walk to the train station.

So I would disagree with people claiming you don't have to walk long ways in FRA. On the other hand, I always found the gate and came to the place where I wanted to come, in time. So I don't really have to complain, still I prefer smaller airports...
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:19 am

I have to totally disagree with the MEX award. I flew into MEX on Thursday and of it on Monday and it was one of the most delightful airport experiences I have ever had.

Immigration was easy, customs easy, it was clean, check-in was a breeze (and the new F zone areas are very nice).

My nomination is DUB. Even SVO is better than that place.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:21 am

Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 8):
also, the criticism of MEX is a bit overstated.

MEX is one of airports most in need of an implosion that I've seen. No offense, Eddie.

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 5):
I'm surprised BKK, BOM and CAI weren't mentioned. Any were worse than LHR!

I agree about CAI, though it is improving, slowly but surely. CAI T1 is not so bad, and a new T3 is under construction. T2 and the domestic terminals are atrocious. Worst of all, though, is the signage. Never have I ever seen an airport with worse (or nonexistent) signage as Cairo International. When you drive in there from the highway, and are given signs for CAI 1 and CAI 2, with two sets of int'l terminals and two sets of domestic terminals, you need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out where you have to go, because the signs sure don't help you.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 21):
CDG is beautiful and functional. Everytime I have been there, I have had no problems.



Quoting AR385 (Reply 21):
MEX, on the other hand, is a functional, efficient airport

AR385, my friend, I don't know what world you live in. Next to MEX, CDG is one of the world's worst. This has happned to me a few times, and others as well, but last time I was there, it took me 20 minutes on a shuttle bus, just to get from the point of deplanement to terminal 2E. Then climb two flights of stairs, go down a cramped hallway, up another flight, to catch a shuttle bus to 2C. Totally unacceptable.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:29 am

I am a Russian, and I'm not afraid to say that SVO is by far the worst! Especially when it comes to passenger comfort...there is none. The airport is very inconveinient and hardly anyone speaks normal English! Although lately its getting better. Everything is faster, including customs, which time a lot less time now. Employees are more efficient. The ceilings have been replaced, so they aren't as bad as they were before. Hopefully we will see Sheremetyevo 3 around soon. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Nonetheless, traveling to CDG this past July I wasn't too happy either. No doubt the airport is beautiful, but its extremely confusing.

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Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:39 am

LAS's A/B terminals are the worst i've seen in the US, smoke in the gate areas (due to the smoking lounge having no doors to keep the smoke in, pretty stupid) I almost passed out due to the smoke there. I'd also rate BOS's B terminal on the AA's "ghetto" side as pretty bad.
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:46 am

Sorry to all the Mexican Amigos, but the airport ranks as the worst I've visited. The long, long, long walks; the barriers that prevented you from using trolleys outside the baggage claim area and it took me over 30 minutes to find an exit door once I'd got into the crowded public areas. I've never felt so lost and confused in an airport, and believe me, I've been to quite a few.
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:57 am

Quoting Slarty (Reply 24):
The one thing he missed that I found most annoying -- the overwhelming smell of BO in their main checkin area (I was checking in at LH at the time, and no! it was not from me or any other single person -- it was "in" the whole terminal).

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Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:31 am

I have not yet been to any of the international airports listed, but for domestics, I have always disliked ATL. If you are not a Delta pax, you have miles (or so it seems) to walk.
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:55 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 35):
AR385, my friend, I don't know what world you live in.

I live in a world, "friend", where you can give your opinion and not have some condescending... person (Rules can't let me use another word, but you get my drift) tell you why you are wrong, on something that is completely empirical, has absolutely no base on data and is biased and prejudiced. You disagree with me on something that frankly, is a worthless study, so stick to that, and don't make it personal.

By the way, I live on Planet Earth, but I occassionally spend my weekends and holidays in other places using CDG, which I find very functional, clean and architecturally innovating. Granted, some parts of certain terminals may collapse once in a while but overall, I do not believe it has a place on this list

[Edited 2005-09-29 04:01:48]
 
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:02 am

WHAT ABOUT THE DREADED LAX!!!!!!

COCKROACH infested GETTO dump from hell! The worst welcome to America you could ask for, Especially in the AA and UA terminals.
 
AM
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:14 am

I strongly disagree with this guy, especially about FRA. I've been there making connections with LH, and it's by far one of the best airports I've known. If this Microsoft guy had to re-enter the security area to find his baggage claim area, it means he really wasn't paying any attention at all to what he was doing.

And about MEX, Ricardo is right, this guy really needs some updates. The only smoke there could've been is the one generated by the temporary work which took place in the main hall, which is now over by the way and made it all so more spacious. Other improvements that have taken place have made passenger walks from the international gates to immigration a lot faster, same thing with the walk from the brand new, state-of-the-art check-in area at the international terminal to the gates. A whole new immigration/baggage claim/customs area is being finished, so now there will be THREE such facilities for international passengers: one for Central/South America and Caribbean arrivals, another one for North American arrivals, and the last one for European arrivals. That should really be alleviating congestion a lot.

And LHR is not that bad. Actually, in my opinion, there's nothing so wrong about LHR. But I guess there must be reasons why people complain so much about Heathrow. I haven't been to either CDG or SVO, though.

So... don't believe everything this guy says in his articles.

Cheers,
AM
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:37 am

It's good to hear nice things about YVR! I agree with his comments about FRA, but for spotting, I have not been anywhere better. I think FCO should also be added to the list. Cramped, busy, dark and smoky.
 
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:07 pm

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 35):
MEX is one of airports most in need of an implosion that I've seen. No offense, Eddie.

None taken Jay, I really hope that this whole renovation and expansion project will result in a better airport. It is still a long way for the reconstruction of a brand new Terminal 2 across the runways from T1 for AM and its SkyTeam partners. Anyway, according to what fellow Mexican a.netter AM wrote, it seems MEX is indeed getting better. I will be able to tell you on a first person basis in November, over beers in Manhattan.
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:09 pm

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 37):
I'd also rate BOS's B terminal on the AA's "ghetto" side as pretty bad.

I would have to agree, it is pretty damn bad. The US side of terminal B is MUCH better than AA's sad side.
 
Brooklyn787
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:13 pm

I didn't find terminal 2 at FRA that bad. It's better than terminal 1. I also have fond memories of terminal 1 when I passed through the terminal twice a year to see my "Oma" (German for Grandma) & sister who lived 30 minutes away by car on the A3 (Aschaffenburg). Maybe I'm just used to "bad" airports since my home airports EWR & JFK are #1 on Elliot's domestic (USA) list. I also agree that the train connections at FRA are excellent. We took the 3rd Gen ICE train from Essen to Aschaffenburg last year & our train stopped at the airport.

My point is there are much worse things to complain about out there than "bad" airports. That doesn't mean you can't complain since there's always room for improvement, even for better airports. Sometimes, there's only so much you can do with what you have and it may not be practical to tear it down & replace it. I'm sure LH doesn't like terminal 1 either and hopefully they will build terminal 3 on the other side of the field.

[Edited 2005-09-29 06:16:07]
 
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:19 pm

I prefer FRA over LHR, though I admit I don't connect there.

LHR sucks, period. The one thing I hate the most (I was last there in late July 2004) is in T3, when you get through security and you walk right into a store...how tacky. Worse yet is the crowded lounge while you wait for your gate to open up.

My only complaint about FRA, and it almost isn't a complaint really, is the long hike from the gate (B concourse) out to the Fernbahnhof (long distance train station).

I'm looking forward to my next flight to FRA! I also want to get back to MUC, which is a beautiful airport.
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RE: "Terminally Bad" LHR, MEX, FRA, SVO, CDG

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:27 pm

OK MY comments about the article


I do not agree with the smoking parts, cuz at least the last 1000 times i've been at MEX at least inside the terminal there's absolutely no smoke from cigars. I think he has this serious trauma with smoking or he just smokes alot and doesn't realize that he's the one that smells to it. At least that's the only conclusion i could get, apparently the smoke follows him everywhere.

OTOH, I don't think MEX is unefficient and has CONFUSING TERMINALS. To my knowledge, MEX has just one big terminal consisting on a very long hall clearly separated on domestic and international flights. I don't think he used Terminal 2, which is on the other side on the airport. That might probably be bothering, but stil... not the case.

On what I agree is arriving to MEX from a long haul flight. The problem is RG, IB, KL, AF, LH, BA, AM arrive at almost the same time, so you share 5 or 6 luggage bands with 5 arrivals from planes that go from 747s to 777s. Besides that i don't think they are too small, the space is small.


CDG well, an arquitect on acid... different opinions i think. I enjoyed alot using Terminal 1 and 2. Specially the one with the tubes that goes up and down. Plus the arquitecture is amazing. Besides that i had no problems using CDG. But I agree on the bus problem without the help of the french. Probably I don't mind cuz I like challenges when I travel for leisure.


Anyway, just my 2cents


Cheers


Alonsou


MEX is a great airport even Mr. Elliot doesn't agree with me. He's just too... picky for my opinion.
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