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Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:43 am

I've been trying to think about what kind of role ZW is going to play with the new US....I don't see that it's anything special right now.....anyone have any info on what we will be doing with the new carrier, besides the obvious flying.
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:51 am

Besides flying 70 CRJ-200s and maybe a few bigger CRJs? I dunno, you'll probably wind up ground handling a few stations. What else did you expect?
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:54 am

They should put ZW ground crews back into the mountain towns where they have experience.

On that note, why do I still have a hard time believing that the 146's are done and dead after this winter at ZW?
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:54 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
On that note, why do I still have a hard time believing that the 146's are done and dead after this winter at ZW?

What else are they going to do? They can't fly for US.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 3):
What else are they going to do? They can't fly for US.

I think UA is going to have strike a deal with ZW at ASE because UA doesn't have much choice. See past discussions:
Future Of ASE (by Apodino Sep 24 2005 in Civil Aviation) Aspen Problem For UA (by Jayspilot Aug 5 2005 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:01 am

Things will be fine. We don't have a lot to show right now except the fact that we were for many years the best partner that United had. We now have to transfer that to this other airline. Also, the management has not bankrupted themselves by whoring themselves to a new carrier, operating new airplanes while in dept up to their eyeballs.

Give it time. Things don't happen overnight. AWAC owns some 14% of the new company and has a seat on the board.

If the new US Airways survives we will have a stake in what happens.
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:10 am

Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 5):
we were for many years the best partner that United had.

Skywest?

ZW will get their chunk, most of which will be out east. Doubtful you will see any ZW ground handled stations.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:27 pm

DLKAPA,
not a betting man but the situation at nwa with mesaba would make a great opportunity for ual to pick up some low time avros, and continue the ase runs....
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:43 pm

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 7):
not a betting man but the situation at nwa with mesaba would make a great opportunity for ual to pick up some low time avros, and continue the ase runs....

Right you are, forgot about that. With XJ looking to pick up some flying I wouldn't be surprised to see them heading for Denver.

btw... DRO is pretty nice  Wink
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:52 pm

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 6):
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 5):
we were for many years the best partner that United had.

Skywest?

Saab2000 has said repeatedly that he works for AWAC.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:51 pm

NW has the leases on those Avros's and are electing to park them. I'm not sure if XJ has much of a choice in the matter.

As for AWAC, I'd love to see some ground work for the new US. You would think that with 14% of the company and a seat on the board that we could get a better deal. I know the RFP has been a big point of concern for some of the crews around here....they are wondering why we even have to bid, why aren't we just given the chance to do the flying? I'd like to see what the Express product is going to be like. Have you seen the Explus that UA is doing....nice but the flight attendants that I've had so far have been CRAP!!! Mesa and Chautauqua FA's act more like McDonalds workers rather than First Class FA's. I was on a 170 recently and the FA's gave us one drink in F class then went to the back and talked the rest of the flight....no refills, nothing. I'd like to see US Express offer a nice F class product where it's a snack basket, kind of like what HP/US are doing now on mainline....and on much longer fligths, like PHL - MSP, some kind of sandwich around meal time....just offer something! What does HP Express offer on it's fligths where there is F Class?
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:32 pm

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 9):
Saab2000 has said repeatedly that he works for AWAC.

From my experience at ZW and the feedback through Market Track surveys shared with us, Skywest consistently ranked #1 out of all the UA regionals.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:16 pm

You are right, they do rank number one on the market track surveys.....we put a few ghost riders on some of the flights to see what was going on and they would tell passengers that they would appreciate it if they would select "definitely" for question number 13 -- the only question that really matters. "Would you select United Express for a flight of this length in the future".......they ASKED if they would please select definitely. They also rank high up there for on time......but hell, when most of your flights are on the West from LAX and SFO I would hope you had great numbers. Now that they are flying a lot in DEN the numbers are lower....just wait till they fly out of ORD a lot...numbers will keep going down.
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting ATWZW170 (Thread starter):
I've been trying to think about what kind of role ZW is going to play with the new US....I don't see that it's anything special right now.....anyone have any info on what we will be doing with the new carrier, besides the obvious flying.

Hope we see ZW for US back in the springs soon. Good people at ZW.

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 2):
On that note, why do I still have a hard time believing that the 146's are done and dead after this winter at ZW?

Am very curious as to what UAL will do with ASE.

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 9):
Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 6):
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 5):
we were for many years the best partner that United had.

Skywest?

In my opinion skywest doesnt come close. Just when you get comfy with a regional, they switch carriers. Smile
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:35 pm

Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 13):
Am very curious as to what UAL will do with ASE.

That isn't the topic of this thread...
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:17 am

ZW is here in DEN until at least April. Then UA will have to strike a deal or lose that market. Groundhandling/CS will be done by SkyWest starting next week.

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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:28 am

Forgetting the whole ASE thing, and good luck Skywest with the ground handling.....

What form is AWAC going to take with US....there has to be something more. Do you think US wants to ditch their wholly owned in order to raise cash...ZW could buy PSA, same equipment, and allows ZW to obtain larger planes. I'm afraid that ZW is going to be passed by for flying larger planes.... !!!!
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 10):
As for AWAC, I'd love to see some ground work for the new US. You would think that with 14% of the company and a seat on the board that we could get a better deal. I know the RFP has been a big point of concern for some of the crews around here....they are wondering why we even have to bid, why aren't we just given the chance to do the flying?

Er...maybe because ZW does not own all of US? Why should US pay ZW above-market rates when that would just be wasting other investors' money?

Yes, ZW invested money in US. In return, they got a JSA for 70 airplanes, at a rate equal to what US is paying its other contract RJ providers.

They will very likely also be handling some stations for US, in particular some Express stations currently handled by Mesa (above- and below-wing) and some current mainline stations that will be outsourced (below-wing only).

If ZW and Mesa or SkyWest or someone bids on new flying, and the bids are the same, ZW would almost certainly get the push in that situation. But why would US give ZW flying when it could be accomplished cheaper elsewhere, other than to satisfy some employees' sense of entitlement?
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:54 am

Do you really think that the money was invested just for the 70 jets? If you want to pay Mesa to handle stations, great. I'm not saying that we at ZW are the best, we have a few agents that just aren't great, but we have a great training department, new agents get about 12 weeks of training when it's all said and done. If you want Mesa agents who are dumb as dirt...go for it.
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 18):
Do you really think that the money was invested just for the 70 jets?

No, it was obviously for 70 jets plus a sense of entitlement for line employees.  Silly

Seriously, the money invested ($125 million) was for 8,333,333 shares of stock, plus a JSA for 70 jets.

Oh, by the way, that stock is now worth over $170 million. That's why lots of other investors bought stock, and they didn't even get a JSA thrown in.  Yeah sure

If you'd like to point out to me where you're entitled to more than 8,333,333 shares of stock and a JSA for 70 jets, please do. The investment agreement is available at http://www.donlinrecano.net/dr201/mwc/04-13819/dk003263-0015.pdf, and the redacted JSA is available at http://www.donlinrecano.net/dr201/mwc/04-13819/dk001868-0000.pdf.
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:55 am

I'm not saying that we as AWAC employee's are entitled to anything....but wouldn't you agree that as an investor in the new US with seat on the board, don't you think that ZW is going to play some role, besides the 70 jets, with the new US? The owners of this company won't be satisfied with that.
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:15 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 20):
but wouldn't you agree that as an investor in the new US with seat on the board, don't you think that ZW is going to play some role, besides the 70 jets, with the new US?

I do think it's likely ZW will have more of a role. I've already said above twice that they will likely be handling some stations in the near future. I also think they'll probably get some more jets at some point, maybe soon, maybe not. Depending on how the EMB-190 thing goes, US might be looking to place a lot of CRJ-900s in the near future. But to suggest that US just hand them over to ZW without a bid is ridiculous.

And, again, plenty of other investors only got stock, and some of them didn't even get a board seat. And yet they're quite happy.

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 20):
The owners of this company won't be satisfied with that.

I think the owners of the company should be quite satisfied. They found a place for their planes, and they have already made a heck of a return on their investment.
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:38 am

Quoting Flypdx (Reply 14):
Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 13):
Am very curious as to what UAL will do with ASE.

That isn't the topic of this thread...

wasnt the topic, but question was answered! Smile
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 10):
What does HP Express offer on it's fligths where there is F Class?

There is no F class on HP express aircraft. No food on board other than pretzels and peanuts, and the beverage selection is much more limited than on mainline.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:01 am

Quoting UAcosCS (Reply 13):

In my opinion skywest doesnt come close. Just when you get comfy with a regional, they switch carriers.

I'm not saying UA drops their best best performing regionals, what I did say was that through market research Skywest was always ranked higher than AWAC and ACA at the time.

Regardless, AWAC will be operating all 70 crj for the new US Airways by early 2006 and probably not handling any field stations unless they can get their costs below that of third parties such as DGS and FSS to name a few...
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:32 am

I flew on a CRJ900 from PHX - TUS and there were F Class seats??
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:29 am

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 25):
I flew on a CRJ900 from PHX - TUS and there were F Class seats??

The YV CR9s used to have, I think 6 F seats but they were taken out earlier this year (not exactly sure about the date though) in favor of an Y86 layout.
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:09 pm

I agree with A330323X on that some of the outstations currently handled by YV will go to ZW. SBA for example is a great place for ZW it is almost entirely ran by CR2's except for a couple of CR9's. FSD would be a easy transition to ZW also.Even though Mesa is cheaper ran company, I believe we will slowly see ZW move into the western US network.
 
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RE: Air Wisconsin And It's Role With The New US

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:39 pm

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 24):
I'm not saying UA drops their best best performing regionals, what I did say was that through market research Skywest was always ranked higher than AWAC and ACA at the time.

I agree with you about skywest. But like ZW UAL wore them to thin, and even their ORD ops suffered. Now look at OO, they have become the regional they dogged and poked jokes at. ZW is a good regional, and now OO is in their same boat. Wish UAL and ZW would have worked it out.

Good luck to ZW Smile
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