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Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:45 am

Photo's from on the runway:







Click on the photo's !!

Hope you like them !!

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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:46 am

that is mental!!! pure damage or what!!!
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:43 am

When did that happen to united? and i thought it was canyon blue not blue bird? although it does look like it's super imposed!

any help?
 
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:44 am

What is up with the A320 nosegear anyway, are these incidents caused by some design fault or what is up? I am not trying to bash Airbus in anyway, i am an Airbus buff all the way, i am just curious to what have caused these almost identical incidents.  boxedin 
 
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:45 am

At first, I catch myself looking for the red ribbon with "Remove Before Flight" in white letters on the gear. LOL!

Looks like that scrape across the runway really created some heat with all the melting!
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting BMIbaby733 (Reply 2):
When did that happen to united? and i thought it was canyon blue not blue bird? although it does look like it's super imposed!

N503JB (Bluebird) had a similar incident to that of N536JB (Canyon Blue). It is not super imposed.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:59 am

Thanx for the pictures!

Quoting BMIbaby733 (Reply 2):
When did that happen to united? and i thought it was canyon blue not blue bird? although it does look like it's super imposed!

As BMIbaby733 asked when did this happen to UA?
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:27 am

It appears as though the resulting damage to the nose gear is exactly the same for both incidents. Pretty amazing although maybe it is to be expected. Amazing that the gear held up so well.
 
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:42 pm

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 6):
Quoting BMIbaby733 (Reply 2):
When did that happen to united? and i thought it was canyon blue not blue bird? although it does look like it's super imposed!

As BMIbaby733 asked when did this happen to UA?

November 21, 2002 in Chicago, IL

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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:44 pm

And Bluebird was back in service a few days later....
 
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:54 pm

Quoting Midway2AirTran (Reply 4):
At first, I catch myself looking for the red ribbon with "Remove Before Flight" in white letters on the gear. LOL!

I'm going to guess that is going to be the gear pin which was installed after the landing. Even if it was in, it wouldn't cause the gear to not turn, no? I thought the gear pin prevented the gear from retracting.

As to the JetBlue,

Even the stairs have JetBlue so I'm going to guess that it is not false.

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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:36 pm

Fantastic Pictures.
Wonder what happened to the Runway surface.Was there severe damage.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 4:05 pm

So, this has happened to JetBlue twice now, and United once? I seem to remember MSNBC quoted a similar incident with HP also in the late 90's. How many other nose gear failures are there that we don't know about???? I suppose the problem is benign enough not to raise flags with the media (people have die anymore it seems) but how soon is it going to be before it happens in a location with a poor runway or harsh weather conditions and someone does get hurt? Sounds to me like airbus has some recall work to do.
 
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:33 pm

I've seen reports that have said this type of nose gear incident has occured seven times. But that comes from the good 'ol media here in the states, so take it for what it's worth. The photos really are amazing... nice to see some close ups to truly understand the damage.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:07 pm

Quoting BMIbaby733 (Reply 2):
When did that happen to United..?, I also thought it was Canyon Blue, not Blue Bird?

The JetBlue event at LAX kast week was the 7th time that has happened. It was not a one time event and is being investigated.

Quoting Mika (Reply 3):
What is up with the A320 nosegear anyway, are these incidents caused by some design fault or what is up?

The Airbus A320/A319 Nose Gear are 'designed' to do that if the computer system fails to prevent the retraction of the gear.. Call it a design fault or not, it's pretty stuiped...!!
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:14 pm

Real powerful photos. "Investgative photos"

Yeah, the FAA ought to start investigations on A320 nosewheels.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:29 pm

This has ctainly happened a number of times. It's a maintenance fault, known by Airbus and civil aviation authorities.
And also in defence of the 320, like the 737, its one of the most widely used aircraft inthe world (2nd I believe after the 737), so satistically speaking, indicents will occur more often.
Anyway, I hope and am confident the Airbus will be doing there best to sort this out (they already issued bulletins back in 99), and I feel that unfortunately the wonderful mass media has now got their dirty hands on these recent incidents, and will blow it out of all proportions.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:33 pm

In the words of Usher:

"Somebody's got it bad"

Has this problem happened outside the United States?

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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:38 pm

Go to Captain Myrel Getline's column in "USAToday" in which she discussed the A 320 nose gear incidences and also provides a link to a very thorough analysis of what may have happened.
 
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:51 pm

Hey, found another one:



It's supposed to be the tube that goes inside the wheel...

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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:13 pm

The Airbus A320/A319 Nose Gear are 'designed' to do that if the computer system fails to prevent the retraction of the gear.. Call it a design fault or not, it's pretty stuiped...!!

This has been discussed in the Tech Ops forum. As nearly as we can figure out, the A320 nose gear is not designed to turn 90 degrees in a failure.

Check out this thread for a discussion of some of the technical issues:
A320 Nose Gear Incidents (by DALMD88 Sep 22 2005 in Tech Ops)
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:23 pm

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 16):
and I feel that unfortunately the wonderful mass media has now got their dirty hands on these recent incidents, and will blow it out of all proportions.

Especially Now that they have one on vodeo.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:55 pm

Quoting 797 (Reply 19):
It's supposed to be the tube that goes inside the wheel...

Oleo Strut.  Smile
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 16):
And also in defence of the 320, like the 737, its one of the most widely used aircraft inthe world (2nd I believe after the 737), so satistically speaking, indicents will occur more often.

I definitely agree.

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 16):
and I feel that unfortunately the wonderful mass media has now got their dirty hands on these recent incidents, and will blow it out of all proportions

Yes, but airliners are held to a extremely high standard, and to a large extent by those in the industry themselves. I hate media sensationalization but...

777s should not be stalling at 41,000 ft.
A320s should not have nosegear stuck sideways.
A300s should not have their tails breaking off.
737s should not have rudder issues that causes them to auger into the gound.

(This last one hits close to home as my father knew and had flown with the pilot who was in command of the UA flight that crashed at Colorado Springs.)

I'm an engineer, and know all about "stuff happens," but excellence in aviation should be the standard by which all are held.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:04 am

Well, I guess that the beloved A320 has a design flaw, plain and simple. Maybe it rears its ugly head soon in the airframe's life and maybe later. It shouldnt rear its ugly head at all...Granted, its better than a collapsed gear but imagine all the structural stress to the front end of the surronding areas in the wheel well area, that cannot be too healthy for the plane.
I think its strange that these incidents only start coiming up after one is highly publicized. Could airlines be trying to keep this "flaw" out of the public's eye or did they just hope that people wouldnt hear about it? Did the airlines think that it was an acceptable "glitch" that just came as part and parcel with the A320??
Does this same phenomenon happen on the A318/319/or 321 or is it isolated to the 320? Could this sort of thing happn on an A330 or 340 or even worse, the A380???
Just some thoughts...

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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:23 am

I agree that more incidents are bound to happen with 320s and 737s becuase they are flown so much around the world every day. Like with the 737 classic rudders, this needs to be investigated. If the gear actually gave out on one of these landings...could create a huge disaster.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:25 am

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 24):
Does this same phenomenon happen on the A318/319/or 321

The picture of the United plane shows that the belly has A319 written it.

[Edited 2005-09-29 19:26:20]
 
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:39 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
N503JB (Bluebird) had a similar incident to that of N536JB (Canyon Blue). It is not super imposed.

Yes, notice the JetBlue tug next the the plane. AFAIK, JetBlue doesn't keep a spare at LAX just in case...  Wink

Quoting United787 (Reply 26):
The picture of the United plane shows that the belly has A319 written it.

Yes, so it is not just the A320, but also the 319, and maybe the 318 and 321, but they are newer designs, so who knows.

There's also a pic in the database of a 747 with a similar issue for all you B haters.
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:02 am

Where were these struts last overhauled? We've heard that Airbus has issued an AD for this problem and that the maint on both UA and jetblue was done south of the boarder.
 
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RE: Jetblue & United Nosewheels Photo's

Fri Sep 30, 2005 5:24 am

Thanks for sharing the pics....great photos
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