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SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:01 pm

Here's a link from the Puget Sound Business Journal:

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/seatt...005/09/26/daily27.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Suspended now, most likely cancelled for good next Spring. They used to fly Illuyshin (sp?) aircraft in here (A340 ripoff) and then the T7. They operated for approximately 10 years, if memory serves correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Due to language issues, there was almost a near disaster here several years ago...the pilot almost mistook 1st Ave. South in Burien (also north/south, parallel to 16/34) as the runway.
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:08 pm

That would be too bad. I believe there's quite a Russian population here in the Seattle area. Hopefully, SU will decide to continue the nonstop flights on a seasonal basis.

Also, maybe this will open a door to another Russian contender. I'm allowed to dream, aren't I?
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:12 pm

Well i think SEA has had a long history with Aeroflot - in the mid 1990's they operated from Khabarovsk via ANC to SEA with an IL-62 (later Magadan Airways - but originally Aeroflot), after that it was combined with Aeroflot's SFO flight, and operated 777 SVO-SEA-SFO-SVO and later SVO-SEA-SFO-SEA-SVO, right over the north pole. more recently the SFO tag-on was dropped.

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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:14 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 1):

Also, maybe this will open a door to another Russian contender. I'm allowed to dream, aren't I?

Not too far fetched an idea. Both TransAero and Domodedovo Airlines have set their sights on expanding in the US market, especially given Aeroflot's dwinlding pressence. TransAero is flying to Montreal and Domodedovo will soon be flying to Miami, both filling gaps that Aeroflot left behind. Seeing one of the two flying DME-SEA would not surprise me if Aeroflot decides to leave permanently. Seattle has a large Russian community, and, while that doesn't always warrant service, they keep very close business and social ties with Russia, which does

Aeroflot is really dwindling down in North America. As recently as 1999, they were flying to Chicago, Miami, Mexico City, Montreal, Seattle, San Francisco, and Anchorage. Now they will be down to five: Toronto, Dulles, New York City, LA, and Havana. And service to Dulles is via JFK, not even non-stop!
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:26 pm

Curious if we won't see more US airlines entering the Russian market. DL's new ATL-SVO to complement JFK-SVO; the rumored CO EWR-Moscow. Could an AA ORD/MIA-Moscow be on a drawing board somewhere?

I guess it just goes to show you that the population size of a metro area in of itself doesn't necessarily warrant frequent non-stop intercontinental service. If I am not mistaken, the Moscow metro area is the most populous in Europe however there is very limited non-stop service to North America compared to much smaller metro areas.
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:29 pm

SEA used to have all kinds of service to the Russian Far East, as well as SVO via SU obviously. AS even operated several one-stops via ANC for many years. If this goes away it will be sad, as it would be the end of a long history of service from SEA - Russia.  crying 
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:39 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
And service to Dulles is via JFK, not even non-stop!

in the winter its via JFK. in the summer it is nonstop.

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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:46 pm

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Thread starter):
They used to fly Illuyshin (sp?) aircraft in here (A340 ripoff) and then the T7.

While the IL96 did run the route some of the time, they started with the IL62

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 5):
SEA used to have all kinds of service to the Russian Far East, as well as SVO via SU obviously. AS even operated several one-stops via ANC for many years

Actually, AS' flights were more than just one-stops. They usually went SEA-ANC and then to 2-3 destinations in the Russian Far East
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:11 pm

Reply 11, posted Sat Apr 17 2004 20:20:02 UTC+2 and read 318 times:

Look for SU to drop Seattle sometime in the Fall.



Sorry to say, I called this one back in April 2004. Too bad I was one year off .  Smile
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:25 pm

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Thread starter):
They used to fly Illuyshin (sp?) aircraft in here (A340 ripoff)

The IL96 is based on the IL86 which debuted before the A340--so A340 ripoff isn't too accurate. If a statement like that could be made it would be that the IL86 is an AB3 ripoff--which I don't agree with either.
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:08 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
Actually, AS' flights were more than just one-stops. They usually went SEA-ANC and then to 2-3 destinations in the Russian Far East

They used to do Magadan, Khabarovsk, and Vladivostok. IIRC those flights used to go out pretty full.
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:45 pm

AS flew to another Russian Far-east city that I can't pronounce "P-K."

It would be nice if Mavial Magadan would reinstate SEA with their TU-154M service. The TU-154M is stage III compliant, I think. I thought I had heard on this forum that the TU-154M met Stage III rules.

Finally, didn't Transaero serve the US west coast with DC-10-30's at one time?
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:52 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
AS flew to another Russian Far-east city that I can't pronounce "P-K."

I think it was Irkutsk (IKT).
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:56 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
Finally, didn't Transaero serve the US west coast with DC-10-30's at one time?

They did in the mid 90's. I want to say it was service into LAX. We used to sell it wholesale when I was with Jetset.
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
The TU-154M is stage III compliant, I think.

Yes it is, here in MUC we still get a good number of those beauties.
If it hadn´t stage 3, in the EU-15 countries it would need a special permission which won´t be issued for scheduled flights.
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
The IL96 is based on the IL86 which debuted before the A340--so A340 ripoff isn't too accurate. If a statement like that could be made it would be that the IL86 is an AB3 ripoff--which I don't agree with either.

I agree with you, it isn't an A300 ripoff. The IL86 is FAR too inefficient to be that  Silly

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 10):
They used to do Magadan, Khabarovsk, and Vladivostok. IIRC those flights used to go out pretty full.

At the time, adventure travel was a big thing and they were filling it with young, well off yuppies who wanted a bit of the Siberian wild. They were generally part of big, expensive tour packages. It was on these routes that they really found out the issues the MD-80 has in the cold

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 13):
They did in the mid 90's. I want to say it was service into LAX. We used to sell it wholesale when I was with Jetset.

Yes, Transaero did go to LAX
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:54 pm

the P-K city you are thinking of is off the kamchatka peninsula. The city, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatka. AS used to have flights there from ANC. I don't think Irkutsk was ever served by AS. IRK is about 6 - 7 hours east of the pacific coast. It's very far interior.

SU may drop SEA in the near future, but I see extremely high growth potential with them. Once SU joins Skyteam in March, and they receive their six new IL-96's I think SU may begin service to destinations that dropped. Look for new services to skyteam hubs if anything. According to SU, Aeroflot is a profitable airline, and their passengers carriage is increasing every month.
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:55 pm

Perhaps Aeroflot could fly into Anchorage from Moscow and code-share with AS onwards to LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, PHO, DEN and ORD on their red-eyes'.
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:38 am

When I was at JFK eons ago, I remember seeing Uzbekistan Airways, Air Ukraine and Kras Air were there.

Does anyone know if Uzbekistan Airways, Aerosvit, etc. still serve JFK?
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:46 am

Uzbekistan Airways and Aerosvit still operate there. HY on Thursday and Sunday and VV on Tuesday, Friday, and Saturday.
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 17):
Perhaps Aeroflot could fly into Anchorage from Moscow and code-share with AS onwards to LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, PHO, DEN and ORD on their red-eyes'.

Good point...I know there's a large Russian/Eastern European population that lives in the Willamette Valley south of Portland, so AS/QX would pick up some revenue that way.
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:09 am

Any idea what the flight time between Moscow and Anchorage is?
 
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:11 am

Perhaps not Aeroflot, but I wouldn't be surprised if air travel between ANC and the Russian far east starts to pick up again over the next few years as oil and gas reserves are developed. As some of you may know, Russia Jet Direct just recently started flying IAH-ANC-UUS (Yuzhno).

Now here's a pipe dream: what if CO started flying to the Russian far east via ANC to connect Houston with the Russian oilfields.
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RE: SEA-SVO On Aeroflot On Thin Ice..

Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 9):
The IL96 is based on the IL86 which debuted before the A340--so A340 ripoff isn't too accurate. If a statement like that could be made it would be that the IL86 is an AB3 ripoff--

One has four engines, the other two....I don't get it.
Is the IL62 a VC10 ripoff? The TU154 a 727/Trident ripoff?

There's only so many places to put engines.....there's bound to be some similarity in configuration.....taking the analogy one step further into the ridiculous....cannot then all cars be a ripoff of each other since they all have four wheels? or 4-cyl, 6-cyl, 8-cyl engines etc.....
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