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FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:07 pm

Just heard on the local radio this morning here in the Chicago area that the Chicago Sun Times is reporting that the FAA is set to approve the ORD expansion. They are saying that the FAA will have an announcement tomorrow approving Mayor Scandle, I mean Mayor Daley's ORD expansion plans.

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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:09 pm

Once the FAA approval is given what other steps are needed before they finally start work at ORD?
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:32 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
Once the FAA approval is given what other steps are needed before they finally start work at ORD?

Step 1. King Richard unleashes the houndsbulldozers on Elk Grove Village in the middle of the night.
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:49 pm

Does anybody have a link to the plans for the expansion?
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:57 pm

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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:57 pm

Here's the article:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-hare29.html

Quoting Csturdiv (Thread starter):
They are saying that the FAA will have an announcement tomorrow approving Mayor Scandle, I mean Mayor Daley's ORD expansion plans.

While I don't particularly like Daley, nor agree with just about any of his politics, I personally think that ORD expansion is one of the single most important economic issues for the Chicagoland region, and the U.S. The chronic delays that plague O'Hare -- the nation's only dual-hub airport -- are causing economic ripples across the nation for not only the airlines (American and United in particular, of course) but also for businesses and business travelers who are forced to endure delays, ATC holds, etc.

Expanding O'Hare simply makes sense. It does not make sense to build another airport for Chicago, in Peotone or anywhere else, that would even further segregate air service in the region. O'Hare is a global hub and, with this expansion, will remain this way.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
Step 1. King Richard unleashes the houndsbulldozers on Elk Grove Village in the middle of the night.

Yeah. Let's hope that Daley doesn't pull another Meigs and just creep in under the darkness of night!

[Edited 2005-09-29 16:58:37]
 
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Thu Sep 29, 2005 11:59 pm

O'hare Expansion website

Sorry, duplicate post of the link.

[Edited 2005-09-29 17:02:07]
 
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:42 am

I saw an article in the Chicago Tribune last week that questioned the layout. It didn't question the need for expansion, but apparently, the airlines feel left out of the process.

IIRC, AA felt that adding 1 east-west runway and lengthening the other 2 east-west runways would work as well in cutting down the delays.

The problem with the proposed layout of 6 parallel runways is that it increases by a very high factor the number of aircraft the must cross an active runway.

Now, if you think about it, every arriving aircraft at ATL and LAX must cross an active departure runway, so I don't entirely buy the argument. And having aircraft taxi across an active runway, in my mind, is preferable to having two active runways intersect each other.

The other supposed problem with the proposed layout is that, while it cuts down delays with the current amount of traffic, the delays will revert to current levels, as traffic increases to the increased capacity of 1.6 million operations.

The problem is that UA is not about to start adding a great deal of capacity for some time. AA isn't about to add significant capacity, either. B6 would love to start operations at ORD, but even with all of its deliveries, it's not about to ramp up to 200 or 300 daily departures.
 
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Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:45 am

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 7):
Now, if you think about it, every arriving aircraft at ATL and LAX must cross an active departure runway, so I don't entirely buy the argument. And having aircraft taxi across an active runway, in my mind, is preferable to having two active runways intersect each other.

Well--LAX does have the highest number of runway incursions due in part to those reasons. Several parallel runways is the most efficient method for getting more planes in and out though.
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Fri Sep 30, 2005 1:35 am

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 8):
Well--LAX does have the highest number of runway incursions due in part to those reasons. Several parallel runways is the most efficient method for getting more planes in and out though.

Or use DEN's Swastika layout.
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 5):
I personally think that ORD expansion is one of the single most important economic issues for the Chicagoland region, and the U.S.

Very important. Glad to hear its going forward.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 7):
And having aircraft taxi across an active runway, in my mind, is preferable to having two active runways intersect each other.

True. Also, the parallel runways will have taxiways, so crossings can be staged. LAX direly needs taxiways between the runways.

Its very critical to "uncross" the only runway suitible for long hauls at ORD. However, last I heard, the north ruway was the 1st priority.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 7):
AA isn't about to add significant capacity, either. B6 would love to start operations at ORD, but even with all of its deliveries, it's not about to ramp up to 200 or 300 daily departures.

If ORD had fewer delays and more gates, I have *no* doubt more flights would originate there. It could be UA, AA, B6, or some other airline.

Congrats to Chicago!
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Fri Sep 30, 2005 6:20 am

I've heard that once approval is given, construction on Phase 1 (the north E/W runway) will begin practically next day.

I have my own opinions of Daley, but this is one thing he's doing right. ORD needs to be expanded, I don't care what buttons he has to push or laws he needs to bend, it's got to be done and it's got to be done NOW. Those people who got cheap houses in Bensenville will just have to accept a better house, FREE OF CHARGE, far away from the airport (that they complain about). Anyone who knows anything about commercial aviation knows that this is a necessary step not for Chicago, but for the US and even Global aviation network.
 
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:02 am

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 11):
I have my own opinions of Daley, but this is one thing he's doing right. ORD needs to be expanded, I don't care what buttons he has to push or laws he needs to bend, it's got to be done and it's got to be done NOW. Those people who got cheap houses in Bensenville will just have to accept a better house, FREE OF CHARGE, far away from the airport (that they complain about). Anyone who knows anything about commercial aviation knows that this is a necessary step not for Chicago, but for the US and even Global aviation network.

I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:54 am

Altough the planned layout involves aircraft having to taxi across parallel runways, it is still preferable to having intersecting runways. The parallel's allow for a better flow of traffic regardless of weather conditions, something that is a problem for the airport the way it is currently set up. Each of the new runways will have a taxiway running parallel to it that will aircraft to hold short until they are clear to cross. Incursions may be an issue (as has been the case in other airports with similar layouts) but new monitoring technology will be in place to ensure the safety of those aircraft on the ground.

After the FAA's approval, which is official today Friday, construction on the northernmost east-west runway (which will eventually become the new 9L/27R) will begin immediately. Ground breaking for the project will be at 1400 CST on Friday.
 
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:53 am

People keep bringing up the new layout and talking about incursions. But doesn't DFW have nearly the same layout runway-wise? I don't hear people talking about increased incursions at DFW!

It could be worse...they could've done something as goofy as STL with a runway way off to the side of the field out of relationship to the rest of the layout and the location of the terminal  hissyfit 
 
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:41 am

Quoting FlyBoy84 (Reply 14):
It could be worse...they could've done something as goofy as STL with a runway way off to the side of the field out of relationship to the rest of the layout and the location of the terminal

Not only that, but since AA scaled back the STL hub, there's no real need for that runway anymore. And there probably won't be a pressing need for it for a long time.

I was at the ORD groundbreaking ceremony today listening to a.net's favorite mayor and other dignataries try to speak under a steady stream of 32R departures (the ceremony was held right off the end of the runway) before doing the traditional shoveling signifying the start of the project. The backhoes and dump trucks are now in action and the O'Hare Modernization Program is underway!
 
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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:07 am

Congrats to Chicago!

Sigh, I wish LAX could join ORD in expanding...

Quoting CactusA319 (Reply 13):

After the FAA's approval, which is official today Friday, construction on the northernmost east-west runway (which will eventually become the new 9L/27R) will begin immediately. Ground breaking for the project will be at 1400 CST on Friday.

Good to hear no time is being wasted.  Smile

When does ORD get more terminals? It seems a few airlines are waiting for gates.

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RE: FAA Set To Approve ORD Expansion

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:13 pm

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 16):
Sigh, I wish LAX could join ORD in expanding...

Aren't there plans for a reconstruction of runways and the north terminals at LAX?

Also, I read that the expansion of O'Hare has been halted by a Federal Court. Any opinions from our Chicago A.Netters?

[Edited 2005-10-03 08:18:05]