Chiguire
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Aeropostal Centroamerica Goes Low Cost

Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:32 am

According to plans and press releases, Aeropostal Alas de Centroamerica seems to go the LCC way now.
And again, there is a date to start. Now it's October 2005. Great they mention the year this time as well, not only the month ! Otherwise I would have speculated that they mean 2007 as they already wanted to start in May 2004.

They have now purchased a LCC reservation system: "R@N.One". I NEVER heard anything about that system. I just know Navitaire, AirKiosk and Radixx.

http://www.ambosmedios.com/releases/2005/9/prweb292199.htm

Does anybody have more information about who else uses R@N.One ?! The website shows the customer section still "under construction".

Does anybody have more information about the start of operation ? Routes etc. ?

I know they will be using state-of-the-art DC9-21 and a MD83. The DC9 is already painted and there is also a website www.aeroposta.co.cr (under construction).

[Edited 2005-10-01 22:32:43]
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:36 am

HI Chiguire,

thanks for the information!

So they will operate totally indipendent from Aeropostal Venezuela? Or will Aeropostal Venezuela also goes the way of a LCC?

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Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
So they will operate totally independent from Aeropostal Venezuela? Or will Aeropostal Venezuela also goes the way of a LCC?

Well, that's the question of the year !
I think they will go LCC. But this is only a speculation knowing Mr. Ramiz.
He hates travel agencies and prefers to sell as much directly as possible. Just look at their online fares they already have today:
Caracas - Porlamar: Online 90 $ plus 11 $ Taxes (roudtrip) and in the travel agencies: 180$ plus taxes.

But there is one thing against it: "Ley de aviacion civil". This new law regulates airfares. Different fares need to be approved from case to case and are only allowed to vary from -20% to +10% from the fixed ones.

Making LCC on domestic services would mean an aggressive price policy starting at - let's say - 9 $ oneway for domestic sectors. This is impossible with this new law.
 
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RE: Aeropostal Centroamerica Goes Low Cost

Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting Chiguire (Thread starter):
I know they will be using state-of-the-art DC9-21 and a MD83. The DC9 is already painted and there is also a website www.aeroposta.co.cr (under construction).

They start-up with only one DC-9-21 (TI-AZS, MSN ???).


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The MD-82 (YV-02C, MSN 48067) was just in Costa Rica (Alajuela) for painting into the new colors.


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But this airline would be the first LCC in Latinamerica outside Brasil and Mexico, right?
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 3):
The MD-82 (YV-02C, MSN 48067) was just in Costa Rica (Alajuela) for painting into the new colors.

I think 02C was just there for maintanance. I saw it in full VH colours on 25 Sept. in CCS. I think the MD8x they put to SJU would be a "new" none, not one from Venezuela as they are replacing the whole DC9 fleet there. So there is no sense in first painting them in VH colours and then flying them to SJU.

Another thing off-topic: viasa - do you know where YV-13T comes from ? This is another MD8x I saw in CCS on 25th.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 3):
But this airline would be the first LCC in Latinamerica outside Brasil and Mexico, right?

As far as I know, yes !
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 4):
Another thing off-topic: viasa - do you know where YV-13T comes from ? This is another MD8x I saw in CCS on 25th.

The registration of this aircraft is YV138T. I think its only a write error. All other commercial used aircrafts in Venezuela has registration with a "C" at the end. Or do Aeropostal switch all aircrafts from YV-xxC to YVxxT ?

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Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:38 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 5):
The registration of this aircraft is YV138T. I think its only a write error. All other commercial used aircrafts in Venezuela has registration with a "C" at the end. Or do Aeropostal switch all aircrafts from YV-xxC to YVxxT ?

This was the strange thing ! There was even another one with "T" reg. I don't remember, but I think it was a 732 from Rutaca with a "T" reg.
And it was definetly YV-13T, and it was a MD8x.

I can just remember that C = comercial, CP= comercial privado, P = privado. And usually I think "T" was for touristic. But this is strange because theis MD8x was going scheduled to MAR !
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:42 am

"T" could also be for Transport  Smile Is it maybe a new idea from the government?!? Keep me up to date when you see mor of the T-Planes.
 
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Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 7):
Keep me up to date when you see mor of the T-Planes.

Sure.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 7):
"T" could also be for Transport

This is 4sure tourism. There are some lins in the net as well saying that. So I would expect Aerotuy, Transaven or Sol de America to have those kind of registrations. But not the scheduled airlines... strange.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:56 am

Which routes are they going to fly?
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 9):
Which routes are they going to fly?

Yes, that would be nice to know. I was counting on you ! Haven't you heart anything there ?
There are some rumours like PTY, CCS, SAP and TGU, later MIA.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:24 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
There are some rumours like PTY, CCS, SAP and TGU, later MIA.

what about flights to HAV?

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Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:44 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
what about flights to HAV?

from SJO ? I don't know if there is a market. There isn't even a regular market out of CCS (only 4xweekly by VH). I didn't hear any rumors about HAV. But never forget, we are talking about VH, so everything is possible.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:12 am

Quoting Viasa (Reply 3):
But this airline would be the first LCC in Latinamerica outside Brasil and Mexico, right?

Well in a sence, WU tried to go LCC but was undercut, so it didn´t matter.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:18 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 12):
But never forget, we are talking about VH, so everything is possible.

maybe they get a "recomendation" for the route?

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RE: Aeropostal Centroamerica Goes Low Cost

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:44 am

Pretty interesting.

Let's see what comes along.

But, why doesn't Aeropostal (Venezuela) also apply for LCC?

It would be very amusing to see a LCC in Venezuela...

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Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:39 pm

Quoting Viasa (Reply 5):
This was the strange thing ! There was even another one with "T" reg. I don't remember, but I think it was a 732 from Rutaca with a "T" reg.
And it was definetly YV-13T, and it was a MD8x.

I can just remember that C = comercial, CP= comercial privado, P = privado. And usually I think "T" was for touristic.

T Stands for "Temporal". You have that registration until the airplanes is finally registered.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:57 pm

Quoting Celticmanx (Reply 16):

T Stands for "Temporal". You have that registration until the airplanes is finally registered.

Our revolutionary friend has spoken! Now our doubts are gone.

Saludos desde Caracas,
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:57 pm

Quoting Celticmanx (Reply 16):

T Stands for "Temporal". You have that registration until the airplanes is finally registered.

OK, but then this means that those two aircraft I saw are really new: YV-13T a MD8x for VH and something like 400T the fourth 732 for Rutaca....not bad. This now makes 7+1 (US registered) MD for VH.
 
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Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:19 pm

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 12):
Quoting Avianca (Reply 11):
what about flights to HAV?

from SJO ? I don't know if there is a market. There isn't even a regular market out of CCS (only 4xweekly by VH). I didn't hear any rumors about HAV. But never forget, we are talking about VH, so everything is possible.

Well I think CM disagrees, they fly 2 daily to HAV one on the 73G and one on a 738!
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RE: Aeropostal Centroamerica Goes Low Cost

Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:24 am

Quoting Luisca (Reply 19):
Well I think CM disagrees, they fly 2 daily to HAV one on the 73G and one on a 738!

Sure, there is a market. But CM is "collecting" passengers from the whole network at PTY hub and then serves HAV.
I doubt that SJO-HAV would be enough traffic for a LCC operation. There are 3xweekly LACSA and 2 weekly Cubana flights.
Apart of that this route not discussed at VH.
 
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:38 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 20):
I doubt that SJO-HAV would be enough traffic for a LCC operation.

If you look at HAV as a destination, it gives very low yields. Even CU knows this, their fligth from SJO to HAV has to stop in GUA or else it won´t get enough pax.
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:49 am

The only good thing about VH centroamerica is that for the month or two they last CM and TA will have to drop fares, but the possibility of VH succeding is slim to none.

No conections network
No alliance with any major airline
Old decrepit fleet
People dont know it, wont trust it
CM and TA have a huge capacity and they are both going to join forces to crush them, you can bet on that.
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RE: Aeropostal Centroamerica Goes Low Cost

Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
Haven't you heart anything there ?

Unfortunatelly nothing. Even they don't have a phone number registered yet.

I'm still waiting for any press release in this regard.
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RE: Aeropostal Centroamerica Goes Low Cost

Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:22 pm

I wish them the best of luck, but knowning Aeropostal Venezuela I seriously doubt they will be able to gain customers and keep them.
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