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Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Fri May 12, 2000 11:42 pm

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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 1:56 am

I have never flown on one of their A340-300s, but in the early 70s I flew on one of their 707-320s named City of Sparta. I am wondering why Olympic didn't go for the 747-400, they need this high passenger capacity aircraft to handle the busy summer season between JFK & Athens. I heard already that they are booked solid for June, July, & August.
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 2:39 am

Don't forget, Greece is one of the poorer nations in the EU. Sure, the 744 would have been ideal for the JFK route, but if they went for that instead of the EU made A340, you'd probably see an end to all the aid they get from the EU's richer members. Then again, their purchase of the 717 makes me scratch my head. That's Greek politics for you.

Louis

Oh, and Olympic has plans for a 2Xdaily JFK flight. Still, the 744 would have better for this too, especially since Astoria is the largest Greek community outside Greece.
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 2:56 am

I don't understand why you mentionned Greece is one
of the poorest EU countries ?? do you mean this country
has been given aid by the European institutions to
buy Airbus aircrafts ??? were you really serious when
you wrote this post ?? I don't really think so because
you don't know about Airbus and EU at all !! 

So the EU made the A340 and blackmails its members
for not buying european aircrafts ?? ahahhahaahah....

Let me tell you that they bougght Airbus because their
managers estimate that these aircrafts fit better to
their market and also about criteria like prices, seats
capacity, and so on...

take care,
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 3:27 am

I have not been on one yet, but will in August. Just picked up someone from the airport a few days ago who came in on one. Her subjective opinion- "nice plane, comfortable seats, excellent IFE screens, seems quite new-still smells like a new car! Only real complaint was that the ATH-JFK flight that took about 9 1/2 hrs with the old 747's now takes an average of 10 hrs and 40 minutes. That last extra hour must be torture. She also mentioned that the service was very good, the flight attendants were cheerful and attentive(a refreshing change for OA!), and the food was decent. Speedwing is really sharpening up this company. I hope they exorcise any remaining vestiges of the old OA mentality. Sorry that I didn't have more specific details.
 
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Tca256

Sat May 13, 2000 3:37 am

Did I mention the word blackmail? If I did, please point it out. Greece is one of the poorest EU countries. It totally lags behind Germany and France. Those countries give Greece a lot of aid, especially since the Greek government is too inept to do anything for the struggling economy. I just pointed out that EU aid could dry up if Olympic, which is still government owned to the best of my knowledge, made a large order of American-made aircraft. Remember the criticism Air France and Alitalia too for ordering 777's and 744's, respectively? It's not blackmail, but "I scratch your back if you scratch mine" mentality. This has been going on for years in Greece, not just with Airbus, but many other things too.
 
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RE: Tca256

Sat May 13, 2000 4:03 am

good day Louis,

Ok sorry for the word "blackmais" but......

the EU institutions can't put pressure on
Greek government if it buys only Boeing....I need to
remind you that Airbus is not linked at all to the EU
council....these are two separate things !! I don't say
that some political pressure have to be excluded in the
A340 buys but this is not the main factor that lead the
OA managers to buy these aircrafts !!! In this case,
EU countries like Belgium would have their EU aid cut
if SABENA owned a full Boeing fleet instead of a Airbus
one ?? what's about a less favoured EU country like
Portugal ?? do you mean they could get less money if
they bought B767 instead of A330 for their fleet
replacement ?? no...no that's absolutely wrong !! Politics is not always linked to business world !!

in the case of SABENA...do you think that the Belgian
government who still own major stakes in the
company, get EU money for having paid a entire Airbus
fleet ??

cheers,
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 4:08 am

If Greece was not allowed by the EU to purchase the 747, then why are other European airlines like Lufthansa, KLM, Air France, Alitalia, and SAS flying them and are making good profits?
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 4:30 am

Have OA decided to reinstate the Australian services that were cut (or are about to be?) Apparently there was a huge outcry, since (to correct an above post) Melbourne has the second biggest Greek population outside Athens of any city, and NY is third (Salonica fourth). I loved flying OA's 747 Classics to Sydney, apart from the grumpy flight attendents I always liked OA. Yet to experience their A340s.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 4:44 am

Tca256: Ok, maybe this will clear things up. The EU will not look favorably towards Greece if they don't support one of the EU's industries. The EU may not OWN airbus, but Airbus is run by countries within the EU. Belgium isn't in as bad a situation as Greece, thus they don't receive as many subsidies.

Cedarjet: I'm pretty sure Astoria has the largest Greek population outside Greece. I was there in January and it's just like Athens. And OA canceled the Melbourne leg of the Australia flight, but they kept the Sydney one. Check out the OA website (I forgot the address), and go into the news section.
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 4:56 am

Being from Greece, I can just tell you, you guys are wasting your time trying to anylize Greek Strategy and Politics. lol  
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 7:57 am

OA has decidied not to eliminate the Melbourne route. All politcal speculation aside, by chosing the 299 seat A-340-300, OA does not have the capacity to properly serve their long-haul international routes. All flights to ATH from JFK are now jam-packed. Many Greeks living abroad, especially those in the New York area and in Australia, are now hampered in their travels back to the homeland. Many tourists would think twice traveling there if it involves a change of flights en route. In a country where tourism is the #1 industry, not being able to properly feed this industry, especially with the national airline, is foolhardy. Delta is the only other airline with scheduled non-stop flights to ATH from the US (JFK and ATL) with MD-11's. Delta actually has more seats to ATH than OA from USA! OA does have 2 more options pending for A-340-300's but has not ordered them yet. Sure 747-400's (or forthcoming A-340-500's for that matter) )are more expensive to buy and operate, but the Greek GDP suffers in the long run. If in fact there was EU pressure for Airbus products at the time of ordering aircraft, then the EU is very short-sighted in cultivating its investment in Greece.

http://www.olympic-airways.gr
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 8:10 am

By the way, did OA ever consider the B777 as replacements for their 747's?
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 11:32 am

Maybe Olympic should hire some of bankrupt Tower Air's 747s to help during the busy summer season between JFK & ATH?
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 5:19 pm

Hi Louis,

You say that EU won't look favorably toward Greece if
OA managers don't buy Airbus.....as someone else
stated, why didn't the EU put pressure on countries
like Sweden, Norway and Denmark (SAS company) for
having bought Boeing ?? why didn't the EU quarrel with
countries like France who bought B777 ?? I remind you
that these rich countries are very high contributors to the EU funds for poorest countries like Greece...so you mean "richer EU" countries can buy Boeing when they try to prevent the poorest to do the same ??? it's absoultely false...where is the logic in this idea ???

An other point, do you really think Eu council quarrels
with its members when they don't buy "european"
products ?? let me remind you that most European
countries own American equipment for their Air Forces
(F16, F-4, AH-64, and so on)...why didn't the EU put
pressure on Netherlands when they bought AH-64
Apach instead of Eurocopter products ???

Stop to think that EU council and big european industries have tight links...EU authorities helped Airbus
in the past to develop its activities but it never controls this company at all !! EU countries are free....free...free...they are not linked at all from pressure of the EU council about Airbus, stop
to believe in American misconceptions of Europe !!!
Something you can say is that head of states like Jacques Chirac likes to deal
with Chinese to sell Airbus but wouldn't Clinton do that
with the same asian guys for helping Boeing??  

take care,

 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 5:32 pm

Oooh again...you say that EU can't own Airbus but
Airbus is owned by states !!! do you have any knowledge of European institutions law ?? EU decisions
are taken by both the "European commission" and the
"European council"...both of them are composed by
representatives of every states...the EU is composed
itself of 15 countries but NOT OF ALL OF THEM have
invested money in Airbus so explain me why a country
like Sweden with its Saab industry would put pressure on Greece for buying its competitor Airbus ??? it's not rational at all !!! What's about countries like Luxemburg
or Portugal who haven't any penny invested in the
Airbus group ?? do you think they share the same view
like France, Belgium or UK ?? that's like saying the
governors of Arkansas, New York and Oregon think the
same about death penalty !!!!
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 9:06 pm

I was a passenger on SX-DBB on Jan 31 from JFK to ATH and on SX-DBA from
ATH to JFK on Feb 10. The plane was nice and roomy but the service from the
Olympic Staff was less than perfect. After the food is served we didn't see the
Flight Attendants for most of the flight.
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 10:12 pm

I'm a very frequent passenger of OA's flight 269 ATH-LHR and the last couple of times I "tasted" the A340 for the first time (normally used A300-600).
As a plane is really nice (PTV,comfortable,reduced noise in cabin,seats turn into beds in first class) although I'm a fan of 747s.A version with 200 more seats I believe it would be the best choice for Olympic.And for those who wonder why Olympic didn't go for the 777 it's because 777s are two-engine aircraft and two-engine aircraft are not allowed to make long-distance flights over an ocean.
As for the service was both times excellent as always when I travel with Olympic.Apart from the 8 different movie program and the 16 channels with music the flight attendants were willing to serve us.And what can I say about the food : Olympic is famous for its excellent in flight meals.
 
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OA269

Sat May 13, 2000 10:25 pm

Many airlines flying the 777 over ocean, It´s an ETOPS aircraft and they are allowed to that!

Some Airlines is flying the 777 from the US to Asia and many airlines i flying the 777 from europe to the US and virceversa....

I have flown the 777 from Muc to MIA and that is a overseas flight....Trust me!  

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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sat May 13, 2000 10:42 pm

Yeah...you're wrong about B777...this aircrafts is
certified ETOPS as B767s ensuring flights from Europe
to US East coast (NYC for example) !! They definitely
chose for Airbus because of market factors !! 

I like very much OA livery and I wouldn't bother if I
had to fly a short-medium flight with them...for a flight
from Europe to Sydney, I would rather prefer SQ, KLM
or MH !! The aircrafts are good but inflight service is
average compared to competitors !!

cheers,
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sun May 14, 2000 10:47 am

Why buy Towers 747's when OA has 4 747's laying around at ATH airport? As far as I know, they have not been sold by GECAS yet.
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sun May 14, 2000 11:19 am

Do many Greek people smoke? Because I noticed that they have a smoking section on their A340s. Why even have sections. Smoke doesnt just stay in one spot! You whole body and all your stuff would smell like smoke! Yuck yuck yuck. I could not imagine sitting in a metal tube for 10 hrs while smoke from the end of the plane is being circulated to the front and through out the cabin. I would not fly Olympic for that reason. The panels in the plane would turn yellow, the seats would smell, ...etc
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sun May 14, 2000 7:21 pm

I'm quite surprised to hear that AO has smoking
sections...I thought EU has imposed bans for
preventing people to smoke on public transports !!
Euuuuh...maybe the directive is not
applied since most of charter flights (especially
in Belgium) still allows passengers to smoke a cigarette !

By the way...others companies still allow people to
smoke like JAL and some EU companies on flights direction to Tokyo...!!

I'm not sure you could suffer from cigarettes....a few
years ago I travelled with AF direction to NYC, there
was a smoking section in the middle of the coach
section...a kind of "fumoir" (french word !!) and nobody
seem to be bothered...and the panels weren't yellow,
and so on...maybe they had a good ventilation system!!

cheers,
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sun May 14, 2000 8:05 pm

Anybody questioning the decision by Olympic to use the A340 in preference to the 747-400 will find the answer posted by VC-10 under 'Are A340's underpowered' in the Technical/Operational discussion forum.

Here it is demonstrated that the fuel burn of the A340 per seat is some 14% lower than the -400. As the point has been made that Greece is one of the poorer EU nations, along with the fact that the A340 is cheaper to purchase or lease than the -400 (I'm sure I will be corrected if I am wrong), then these factors indicate that OA have made the correct choice of aircraft for these particular routes.

The fact that they are fully booked on some routes for three months if the year does not justify half empty aircraft for the other nine months.
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Sun May 14, 2000 8:09 pm

Good point for Robin27 !!!   and this A340 choice was absolutely not taken also because EU put pressure on this country as some could think !!

Thanks for that technical point that missed in my
previous answers...

cheers,
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Mon May 15, 2000 9:19 pm

As for the 777 : ok it's an ETOPS but would you fly from SID to NY wondering what will happen if just one engine loses power or stops over the Atlantic !!!
As for the A340 definitely it's the best solution for OA at its present financial situation.Not that the A340 is a "bad" plane.And at that point I agree with Robin27.The A340 completely fulfills its aims (long distance 4 engine with low operational costs) and more.If only used more powerfull engines and at least 100 more seats would be the appropriate.Besides Olympic intends to buy more A340s (I think at least two).And this is more productive since each flight is 100% full, Olympic increases the flights.
As for the 747s one is already sold and the rest are maintained before selling.
 
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Thanks To Tca256

Mon May 15, 2000 9:49 pm

Thanks to you Tca256 for those competent posts, explaining different points on the EU. Many of those regular EU-and-Airbus-bashers should read them.

Regards
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Mon May 15, 2000 10:23 pm

OA269, do you know who bought the sole 747-200 you are mentioning?
On the 4- vs. 2-engine-topic I´m absolutely with you. Whatever the statistics say, I feel far more safe in a 4-engined long-distance-airplane. All the 2-engined longhaulers are still very new, so its unfair to compare them with 25-year-old Jumbos. There will be a time, when the first 777 will fall out of the sky ´cause of a engine-shutdown over mid-ocean...
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Tue May 16, 2000 12:17 am

Trying to turn this away from the impending Boeing vs Airbus vs EU nonsense. My basic question is does OA have adequate capacity for their long-haul international routes (regardless of current aircraft type chosen)? Since last year when the 299 seat A340-300 was put in service to Australia, these 3x a week flights have been constantly full and not only during peak travel season.
Also, which 747 was sold and to who?
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Tue May 16, 2000 1:03 am

Hi Na....I do hope your says about a B777 falling out in the ocean due to a mechanical failure in one engine won't never happen !!   About 2 and 4 engines debates...c'mon guys, do you think all these engineers who worked hard nights/days to build us so beautiful aircrafts didn't think at all about this possibility of an engine shut down ??? they are "engineers" and they know well their job, we are "simple fans" and not enough informed about technical data for judging about ETOPS!! I can understand that some of us feel safer in a 4 engines aircrafts when crossing the ocean but have you ever thought about all these B757, B767 and later in the past DC-3s which also crossed the oceans ?? never heard in my life that aircrafts were falling down like flees when having only 2 engines !! In the same way..saying that a Jumbo is safer due to its 25 years of experience is true in a way and false in the other....remember TWA800 that went down due to technical failure (no need to talk about paranoid thesis over missile and so on).
 
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RE: Ever Flown On An Olympic A-340

Tue May 16, 2000 1:54 am

Hi Tca256,
0f course I HOPE there will never be a 777 (or A330 or the like) with an engine failure somewhere over the middle of the pacific or so.
But there´s Murphys Law. What can go wrong, will eventually go wrong. I don´t want to think about a 20year old 777ER in the hands of an obscure charter-airline in the future...
I just wanted to say that I, I mean me, personally, have a better feeling in a modern 4-engined plane than in a 2-engined one when it comes to long overwater-flights. Thats all about it and I´m sure a lot of people are with me. Maybe my feelings here make me look a bit oldfashioned in the eyes of an aircraft engineer.

Anyway, all this is off-topic...

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