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MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:21 pm

Hi all,

I just checked the loads on the next weeks for the Iberia MAD-EZE flights.
Mostly of the flights have no many open seats available (only some booking classes are with view seats available) . November flights seems be so far low booked, again Dezember is fully booked.

It seems that the MAD-EZE route is a big money maker for Iberia.

Is there any chance that Iberia will increase the flights in future (or is it not possible due to bileteral between Spain-Argentina)?

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:39 pm

Iberia has a lot of money makers in the South American and Latin American routes from Madrid. In the summer almost all of Iberias flights are full.

New York is a big money maker as well in the summer, with the frequent 2x daily A340-600 flights.

I am not sure if Iberia would add a second flight, maybe if competitor Air Madrid goes a while with full loads on the flight Iberia would be tempted. Aerolineas Argentinas also has I think three daily flights to Buenos Aires?
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:45 pm

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 1):
Iberia has a lot of money makers in the South American and Latin American routes from Madrid. In the summer almost all of Iberias flights are full.

New York is a big money maker as well in the summer, with the frequent 2x daily A340-600 flights.

I am not sure if Iberia would add a second flight, maybe if competitor Air Madrid goes a while with full loads on the flight Iberia would be tempted. Aerolineas Argentinas also has I think three daily flights to Buenos Aires?

the intresting is that the other routes are wide open in all booking classes for bookings.

IB is already flying 2 x daily and both flights are full, 1 at 12:30pm and the other at 12:30am

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 2):
the intresting is that the other routes are wide open in all booking classes for bookings.

I agree with AlitaliaMD11, mostly south america is a gold mine for IB. Avianca, try to verify MAD-GIG during the next week, one flight is full, two only with seats on Biz, and only one day on Y. Same as last week, flight with 95% to 100% full and some days with A340-600. GRU is not so full as Rio (RG offer 7 weekly frequencies while Rio keeps only PU service 3 times per week) but keeps very high loads too. Iberia is improving GIG service for daily flights after Nov 1st. And Brazil is the only market without so strong spanish immigration.
EZE is really a strong market for MAD flights (and also BCN). Immigration, Biz and Tourism are all issues on this route.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:40 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 3):
Avianca, try to verify MAD-GIG during the next week, one flight is full, two only with seats on Biz, and only one day on Y

Hi Felipe,

here are the free seats.
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Iberia
Flight: 6803
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 10
1:45 am Arrives
Rio De Janeiro /Rio Janeiro (GIG)
October 10
7:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K5 M5 L5 V5 S5 N5 Q0 O5
Meal:
Distance: 5047 mi
Stops: non-stop

________________________________

Iberia
Flight: 6827
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 11
12:30 am Arrives
Sao Paulo (GRU)
October 11
6:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I7 Y3 B3 H3 K3 M3 L3 V2 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5191 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time:
Airbus A340-300Airbus A340-300

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select &
continue
Iberia
Flight: 6821
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 12
1:40 am Arrives
Sao Paulo (GRU)
October 12
7:15 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y6 B6 H6 K6 M6 L6 V4 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5191 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time:

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Iberia
Flight: 6803
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 13
1:45 am Arrives
Rio De Janeiro /Rio Janeiro (GIG)
October 13
7:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y8 B8 H8 K7 M7 L7 V7 S0 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5047 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:20
Airbus A340Airbus A340

______________________________

Iberia
Flight: 6827
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 14
12:30 am Arrives
Sao Paulo (GRU)
October 14
6:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S3 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5191 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time:
Airbus A340Airbus A340

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Iberia
Flight: 6803
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 15
1:45 am Arrives
Rio De Janeiro /Rio Janeiro (GIG)
October 15
7:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V8 S4 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5047 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:20
Airbus A340Airbus A340

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Iberia
Flight: 6803
Departs
Madrid (MAD)
October 16
1:45 am Arrives
Rio De Janeiro /Rio Janeiro (GIG)
October 16
8:05 am Notes
Cabin class: J9 D8 I5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q0 O0
Meal:
Distance: 5047 mi
Stops: non-stop
Flight Time: 10:20

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so flights are still wide open, also on the cheaper fares (only the cheapest are sold out).

Also, the other routes CCS, BOG, LIM, GYE, UIO, are still wide open, many of the flights still have 9 or more open seats in all classes.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:42 am

Not only Iberia operates very successful to Latin America.
The routes FRA-EZE or FRA-GRU do very very well indeed.
You almost never get free seats on LH 526 one week to departure.
It's a very high density route down there.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:54 am

Avianca,

Thank you very much! You're really very well informed. Thanks for the link.

Jush,

In fact the 4 flights Germany-Brazil are always full (its easier to get a Y ticket than to find J or F !)

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
Thank you very much! You're really very well informed. Thanks for the link.

no problem...  Smile

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 6):
In fact the 4 flights Germany-Brazil are always full (its easier to get a Y ticket than to find J or F !)

thats true, I checked some weeks ago the flights, and they were already fully booked since some weeks for Ocotber and also Dezember.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:41 am

How long is the flight from MAD-EZE? I know AZ operates / operated a 777 flight FCO-EZE..... those must be bloody long flights... lol

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:51 am

a little bit more than 5000mi... as per iberia little bit more than 10 hours?

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:53 am

I think I read a report a few years ago on ATW from the CEO of IB, that EZE and MEX were the airline's most important cash cows. I don't know if they are still hold the title.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:05 am

It's not a secret that MAD-EZE and MAD-MEX are the moneymakers for Iberia in Latin America.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 10):
I think I read a report a few years ago on ATW from the CEO of IB, that EZE and MEX were the airline's most important cash cows. I don't know if they are still hold the title.

MAD-TFS is another route they make a bundle on for obvious reasons. Much shorter but a strategic route for them.
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 10):
I think I read a report a few years ago on ATW from the CEO of IB, that EZE and MEX were the airline's most important cash cows. I don't know if they are still hold the title.

MEX by far is the cash cows for all European carriers because there's no real competition.

Sadly AM is a poor carrier with few seats,frequencies and destinations to offer to the mexican market, AM doesn't count when compared to RG-JJ-LA!


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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 13):
MEX by far is the cash cows for all European carriers because there's no real competition.

do not think so. MEX is doing very good for the carriers but it is not the cash cows for all...and I think on the route is some copetition.

AM,AA,CO,UA,NW,DL,AC,LH,BA,AF,IB,KL ....

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 12):
MAD-TFS

MAD-TFN I think profits more, they have more than 5 daily flights and two of them are flown by the B747-400 and the ocasional A340-600.
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 15):
MAD-TFN I think profits more, they have more than 5 daily flights and two of them are flown by the B747-400 and the ocasional A340-600.

didnt they get extra money from the spain government to operate the route to the islands?
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:57 am

I agree with Avianca. While it may not seem attractive to many of us to fly between Europe and Mexico via the U.S. due to that country's transit requirements, the U.S. carriers are indeed competitors of the European ones to MEX since they often offer very attractive fares. To a lesser extent, AC can also be considered as a competitor because they do too have attractive fares... just remember when AC was flying YYZ-MAD how a large number of passengers were Mexican passengers during the summer season.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 17):
the U.S. carriers are indeed competitors of the European ones to MEX since they often order very attractive fares

yes have to agree, DL and CO have mostly very good fares from germany to MEX.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 15):
MAD-TFN I think profits more, they have more than 5 daily flights and two of them are flown by the B747-400 and the ocasional A340-600.

I thought they used the south airport for the big stuff. I stand corrected.

Busy old route though! I know of someone who tried to get a short-notice ticket on IB for a return to the UK via MAD and the flights were booked solid for days.
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:29 am

... and do not forget Iberia's Puente Aereo (Air Bridge) MAD-BCN-MAD, another BIG money maker for IB, despite shy competition from Spanair, Air Europa, and Vueling...

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:42 am

Quoting FoxDelta (Reply 20):
... and do not forget Iberia's Puente Aereo (Air Bridge) MAD-BCN-MAD

by the way, do you know the average fare and yields on that route?

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:59 am

Fares on Puente Aereo are somewhere in the region of 350 Euros. Again, in Puente Aereo. Besides Puente Aereo, there are plenty of IB scheduled flights, the latter ones offering lower fares, etc...
I don't know about the yields, but any IB manager will tell you they are high, as many times it has been recognized IB's Puente Aereo is their HIGHEST money maker.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:03 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
.and I think on the route is some copetition.

AM,AA,CO,UA,NW,DL,AC,LH,BA,AF,IB,KL ....

Well, I don't know if Mexicans (and Europeans too) particularly enjoy the connections if they fly AA CO UA NW DL. I do not.




Isn't EZE a big money maker for AF too ? They have first class, since they fly a 777, and a project to split SCL and EZE in two distinct direct flights.
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 23):
Well, I don't know if Mexicans (and Europeans too) particularly enjoy the connections if they fly AA CO UA NW DL. I do not.

I also do not like the connections but if the fare is 100 or 200 USD cheaper I will go there...

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:42 am

Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
do not think so. MEX is doing very good for the carriers but it is not the cash cows for all...and I think on the route is some copetition.

Have stats? Proof right.... AM's market share is nothing against European carriers.

All stats for Mexico:

http://dgac.sct.gob.mx/index.php?id=467

On a side note, last year LH carrier more pax than IB @ MEX, and apparently this year AF will have more pax than IB.


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Quoting Avianca (Reply 14):
AM,AA,CO,UA,NW,DL,AC,LH,BA,AF,IB,KL ....

Not all mexicans have visa. Not all mexicans like flying to the US after 9/11th. AC schedule for MAD is the worse!

Saying people prefer AA,CO,UA,DL,NW and US then gives me more points, there are no specific stats for that, so add all European traffic from Mexico + all millions of travellers flying via US or Canada....


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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:19 am

MEX and EZE are the money makers for IB in the region, others that make big bucks are GRU, BOG and LIM.
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:09 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
a little bit more than 5000mi... as per iberia little bit more than 10 hours?

I believe it's about 12 hours. The exact distance is 6252mi (10.062km).

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 23):
Isn't EZE a big money maker for AF too ? They have first class, since they fly a 777, and a project to split SCL and EZE in two distinct direct flights.

I think it is. AF targets businesspeople going to the Far East, offering them a free day at a 5-star hotel in Paris while waiting for their connecting flight. I have heard their loads are very good in all classes, even though their fares are among the most expensive from Argentina to Europe.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:00 pm

Any chance IB will be doing one of the followings in the future?

-3rd flight to MEX, MAD leaving late PM, leaving MEX at midnight.

-3rd destination in Brazil, like CNF

-2nd daily flights for LIM and BOG, both red eyes.

-direct flights to other large Latin Am cities such as GDL, MTY, MDE, VVI, ASN, COR
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:41 pm

I don't see IB adding new destinations in the near future but 2nd flights to LIM, BOG and separate flights to Quito and Guayaquil are possible.
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:06 pm

Quoting Marambio (Reply 27):
I believe it's about 12 hours. The exact distance is 6252mi (10.062km).

yes sorry I crossed the information with the info MAD-GIG

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:45 pm

Does anybody know how Air Madrid's BCN-America routes and AR's recently started EZE-BCN are working?
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:59 pm

Quoting Marambio (Reply 27):
I have heard their loads are very good in all classes, even though their fares are among the most expensive from Argentina to Europe.

I gotta go to Dresden for bussines.I planed on flying AF, cause my Skyteam status, and is basicaly sold out.

Mike

P.S:I planed EZE-CDG-LHR with AF. then Gatwick-DRE with FR.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:14 pm

Ive been seeing that for the past few months Iberia has been using the A346 on the MAD-PTY-SJO-MAD route, anyone now how the loads are on this route. First IB increasd capacity and then Air Madrid Also, seems like its doing pretty well.
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:28 pm

Quoting BCNGRO (Reply 31):
Does anybody know how Air Madrid's BCN-America routes and AR's recently started EZE-BCN are working?

AR starts BCN-EZE (2/w A342) this week

NM flights BCN-LATAM haven't started yet
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 28):
Any chance IB will be doing one of the followings in the future?

-3rd flight to MEX, MAD leaving late PM, leaving MEX at midnight.

I may be wrong but perhaps that is not possible under the current bilateral. Hopefully somebody with knowledge about this issue can clarify.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 28):
direct flights to other large Latin Am cities such as GDL, MTY

Air Pullmantour started ops to GDL and it quit the route; on the other hand, AM has in theory plans to begin GDL-MAD... I don't see IB trying this. As for MTY, AM is now flying MTY-MAD and I do not think IB will want to engage in a competition.
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 35):
Air Pullmantour started ops to GDL and it quit the route; on the other hand, AM has in theory plans to begin GDL-MAD... I don't see IB trying this. As for MTY, AM is now flying MTY-MAD and I do not think IB will want to engage in a competition

I can see MTY been much more viable than GDL, given the fact that GDL is primarily a tourist destination, while MTY is a perfect connecting point for those going to Northern Mexico who doesn't want to backtrack all the way down to MEX and/or doesn't have US visa to go through IAH (or for some who simply doesn't want the hassle).

Given the population sizes of Mexico and Colombia, I'm surprised there aren't that many long haul services, even those providing it have only once or twice daily, IB can easily add a 3rd flight to MEX and still fill the seats (correct me if it's not true)
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:54 am

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 28):
-3rd destination in Brazil, like CNF

IB is going daily on MAD-GIG on Nov 1st. I think first of a third flight to Brazil they will put the A340-600 replacing A340-300 on both routes (GIG and GRU).
And if they start a 3rd destination, probably will be Salvador or Recife as Northeast Brazil is a desirable destination in Europe nowadays.
CNF pays the price to be closer to GRU, GIG and BSB ! At this moment they keep no one international service.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:23 am

So how has Air Madrid affected IB's loads and yields in the Lat Am market? I'm curious to know how Air Madrid is performing. I haven't been to MAD lately but I guess that the market can handle an additional carrier. Does Air Madrid go out full on its flights? I did notice on their website that they recently dropped VVI. Are their other routes doing better?
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 3:14 am

Air Madrid posted a 6 million eur loss last year and I think they will post a bigger loss next year. After all the problems they had this summer and not very high loads now I think their object of posting a 17 million eur profit is a bit optimistic on their part.
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:16 am

Quoting BCNGRO (Reply 31):
Does anybody know how Air Madrid's BCN-America routes and AR's recently started EZE-BCN are working?

AR's EZE-BCN flight is +90% until Jan/06, BCN-EZE is 95% in Nov/05 and +97% in Dec/05. I don't know loads for flights after Jan/06.

P.S: Loads numbers are estimated.

Quoting IB787 (Reply 29):
I don't see IB adding new destinations in the near future but 2nd flights to LIM, BOG and separate flights to Quito and Guayaquil are possible.

I heard that IB is planning a 4x flight to MVD, loads are in 86%.
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:36 am

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 36):
Given the population sizes of Mexico and Colombia, I'm surprised there aren't that many long haul services, even those providing it have only once or twice daily, IB can easily add a 3rd flight to MEX and still fill the seats (correct me if it's not true)

Actually, Mexico and Colombia have been getting more and more flights in the past years. In the case of Colombia, in the last two years, the following have happened:

- AV added 2x weekly charters CTG-MAD
- BA quit 3x weekly BOG-CCS-LHR service
- NM stated 2x weekly BOG-CTG-MAD service and is not starting 1x weekly BOG-CTG-BCN service
- Air Plus started 3x weekly BOG-MAD 747 service
- Air France put BOG-CDG to daily, as it was operating 4xw, then 5xw.
- AV started CLO-MAD 2x weekly
- Plus the existing services that were the IB flight to MAD and AV´s flight to MAD.
- LH and AZ have been rumoured to come back, and AV wants to start new Euro flights soon.

For the PIB Colombia and Mexico have, i think the flights are OK, maybe a little less for Mexico, but as the market slowly but surely increases, we will be getting more flights.

Remember that population is not a decisive fact for a market size.
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:47 am

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 36):
given the fact that GDL is primarily a tourist destination

Not entirely accurate. Guadalajara has a strong industry (El Salto, a town nearby is the home of Honda's Mexican factory which churns out Accords and Civics for domestic and U.S. consumption) and is the home of Mexico's silicon valley, with lots of IT companies and facilities (among those, important HP and IBM plants). Guadalajara is Mexico's second city and as such is chosen for the headquarters of lots of important foreign and domestic companies. In addition, the tequila industry is going to become more and more important as distilleries are looking to sell their products abroad (Europe, South America, China, etc.) now that growth of tequila consumption has stalled in Mexico.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 36):
can easily add a 3rd flight to MEX and still fill the seats (correct me if it's not true)

Absolutely correct, but there are two issues. The first is that adding more capacity can seriously dilute yields, and IB clearly does not want that to happen. Second, as I mentioned before, I dunno if the number of MAD-MEX frequencies available to each Spanish or Mexican carrier is limited by the terms of the current bilateral.
Next flights: MEX-LAX AM 738, LAX-PVG DL 77L, SHA-PEK CA 789, PEK-PVG CA A332, PVG-ORD MU 77W, ORD-MEX AM 738
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:07 am

GDL is an important city in Mexico I think that any carrier or airline can make the operation without a doubt, lot of European people lives in Jalisco, don't forget that Puerto Vallarta is an important touristic place in the Mexican Riviera, and if I am not wrong I remember see a MD11 and a B767 CityBird Airlines in PVR airport in the middle of the 90's, I don't remember very well if the flt was BRU-MEX-PVR-BRU or BRU-PVR-MEX-BRU and this flts were not charters or special ones, as I know GDL has a great potential for fill any kind of plane twice a week, even LH or AF can bet for a flt between CDG/FRA to GDL, Airpullmantour sold all the seats last summer 2004 (JUN/JUL/AUG) between GDL and MAD and the price was very atractive, this thing made that AM's prices between GDL and Europe got lower than the normally expensive prices that AM has..... cheers Vic
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:34 am

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 36):
Given the population sizes of Mexico and Colombia, I'm surprised there aren't that many long haul services, even those providing it have only once or twice daily, IB can easily add a 3rd flight to MEX and still fill the seats (correct me if it's not true)

I think you are absolutely right! IB could easily offer additional frequencies, at least 3 or 4 more for 17/18X flights. Recently the bilateral between Mexico and Spain was modified for 21 frequencies a week to the centre of Mexico, no matter the number of carriers in route. IIRC, at the moment IB is flying 14X plus 2X from NM arriving at TLC which makes 16X, they still have 5 more frequencies opened, add to that AM's 12X. The rest of the country is 7X from each side no matter the number of carriers on route.

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:41 am

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 44):
at the moment IB is flying 14X plus 2X from NM arriving at TLC which makes 16X

NM will also start 1/w flight BCN-TLC next month.
 
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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting IB787 (Reply 45):
NM will also start 1/w flight BCN-TLC next month.

Sweet great news for us! That will then make 17X flights a week with this new frequency from NM...

AM wake up and smell the coffee!!!!


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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:10 am

Just a question:Why not COR-MAD with AR or IB?

Not enough traffic or there's no agreements?

Just curiosity

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RE: MAD-EZE The Money Maker For IB?

Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:29 am

Hi All!
Not only is MAD-EZE a chash cow for IB but let us not forget AR.
On a nother thread I read that AR along with it's sister airlineAir Plus plan to make BCN a hub of some sort. AR will operate direct flights not only to EZE, but also to LIM and other destinations throughout South America.

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