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Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:11 am

 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:46 am

Not surprised at all. They don't compete well with US at all. They had 2 flts a day up against a flurry of US flts ranging from 319's to CRJ's. They both had mainline aircraft so it's not like FL had the upperhand on that one and US has a multitude of options compared to FL's 2.

FL still has not figured out PHL. They add routes like PIT and RIC and then pull them a short time after. They are finally catching on with BOS and will be up to 7 flts a day, but lets hope that stays. PHL-DFW would be a great route regardless what FL really wants to do at DFW, and PHL-SRQ would be another great route considering just about every florida route is from PHL. But FL has still not taken any action on them.
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:01 am

I just wonder if FL isn't short on jets with the Boeing strike. You're right about PHL-SRQ and DFW. I can't picture FL leasing 4 gates at both PHL and BOS, without additional flying on the way. I would think those facilities are a little under used right now and it's not like Airtran to waste money.
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:08 am

Well I didn't really see PHL as being a market for people from RIC - even so there are so many loyal USAir flyers that I didn't expect many to jump ship.

I'm glad to see that RIC will be getting a new destination, RSW should work out well. I was curious to see if USA 3000 would return this year, with FL filling the gap to RSW I don't they will, or if so with a different destination.

Here's the announcement about the RSW service From RIC for those who haven't yet read it...

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050929/nyth177.html?.v=23

I'm curious to see what FL's next move will be. I'm guessing they'll go for another up north city and something to the west maybe DFW or MDW. Now that they have the 737s there is no telling where it'll be. Pre Hurricane Katrina I always thought that a RIC-MSY flight would have done extremely well.

I just took a quick look at faremeasure and found that NY is still they're strongest market followed by Chicago Dallas and Boston. I was kind of surprised to see that LAX, DEN & LAS all have strong numbers from RIC with no non-stop service... Did the Delta Connection service to TPA ever start? how's that working out?

I remember flying on a UA 727 from RIC to DEN but many years ago, Maybe someone will restart the service... F9 or UAX with the 170? It's still listed as one of RICs stronger markets with well over 100 people flying the route on a daily basis yet no nonstop service.

Does anyone know when the RIC airport will be finishsed everytime i fly thought there there is a construction being done...
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:17 am

RIC-LGA would be great if FL had the slots, but I don't think they do. LAS is interesting, but a long flight to tie up a 737 for half a day, unless it's a really good route. Maybe a redeye?

LAS must be doing fairly well. 4x ATL, 3x DFW and now FNT. Anyone know how LAS-FNT is looking early on?
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 2):
I just wonder if FL isn't short on jets with the Boeing strike.

For some reason, I'm having trouble opening up the Times Dispatch article. Could you post some of the highlights of the article?

Anyway, with regards to delayed deliveries due to the Boeing strike, I was under the impression that the strike only impacted FL's 73G deliveries and not the 717 deliveries? Is that a correct assumption? If that's the case, the cancellation of the PHL-RIC route due to equipment shortage doesn't hold much water since the route is presently handled by the 717.

To date, whenever I asked about whether the strike impacted 717 production over at Long Beach; nobody has ever given me a straight answer (yes or no). Keep in mind that while Boeing owns the former-MDD Long Beach plant, the workers there may be from a completely different union than over at Washington state.

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 1):
They had 2 flts a day up against a flurry of US flts ranging from 319's to CRJ's.

Prior to FL starting the service, did US have any mainline equipment on this route at all? After the last FL PHL-RIC route is flown, will US drop capacity to all regionals & EMB-170s?
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:37 am

I believe DTW starts up in early November as well. Perhaps the lift was needed there.
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:44 am

I think they should start-up again at ISP!!


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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:54 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 5):
Prior to FL starting the service, did US have any mainline equipment on this route at all?

Yes, they had more mainline than they do now in fact. Or were you thinking that the big, bad US dumped capacity on the route to run off FL?  Yeah sure They didn't have to, not with FL only running 2x daily.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 5):
After the last FL PHL-RIC route is flown, will US drop capacity to all regionals & EMB-170s?

Not likely.
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:34 am

Perhaps FL should try PHL to DAY; US does well on that one using CRJ's only. Mainline may work better for them there.
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:36 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
I think they should start-up again at ISP!!

I don't recall them EVER being at ISP--unless it was as Valujet.

Are you confusing them with Spirit?
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:25 am

No, they did fly to ISP with the 732. They had n/s service to and from MCO. I am 100% sure, I flew the route and I have the timetable to prove it!


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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 3):
Does anyone know when the RIC airport will be finishsed everytime i fly thought there there is a construction being done...

They're saying 2007, barring weather delays. They've moved the baggage claim to the other end of the terminal (near the ticket counters) and they're starting to do construction on the upper level roadway and whatnot. It reminds me of 1985-86 when they expanded the airport to 2 concourses. Many mazes and construction barriers.
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:08 am

Quoting IslipWN (Reply 11):
they did fly to ISP with the 732. They had n/s service to and from MCO.

Was this before the merger w/J7?
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:11 am

Quoting ISP" class=quote target=_blank>Art at ISP (Reply 10):
I don't recall them EVER being at ISP--unless it was as Valujet.

Are you confusing them with Spirit?

Here is proof, I just dug up the timetable, from 1998:

Orlando - Islip
# 680
Dep: 1:30 pm
Arr: 4:05 pm
Daily

Islip - Orlando
# 681
Dep: 4:45 pm
Arr: 7:30 pm
Daily

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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:23 am

Quoting IslipWN (Reply 14):
Here is proof, I just dug up the timetable:

Just out of curiousity, what's the date of that timetable?
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 4):
RIC-LGA would be great if FL had the slots, but I don't think they do. LAS is interesting, but a long flight to tie up a 737 for half a day, unless it's a really good route. Maybe a redeye?

USAirways is to start flights to LAS out of RIC when the merger w/ AmericaWest is done.

I really hate the fact that Airtran has moved into RIC. They are taking away so many travellers from DL with their ATL route. I hope we can shoo them out once again, but I don't think that's likely; cancelling RIC-PHL is a good start.
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:13 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 4):
Anyone know how LAS-FNT is looking early on?

I wonder too, it appears NW has very, very good loads though.
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:25 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
Just out of curiousity, what's the date of that timetable?

June, 1998.


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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:46 pm

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 16):
USAirways is to start flights to LAS out of RIC when the merger w/ AmericaWest is done.

I'm sure it will be a pricey route, but non-stop nonetheless. That is a huge selling point to some people.

There is also talk about JetBlue coming to RIC soon. At least that's what they are saying in local media.
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:00 pm

doesnt surprise me at all, in aviation daily sometime last week, a side blurb in the paper listed the ten lowest routes based upon load factor, philly was in 7 of the 10, richmond-philly was number at 42%. i dont know how airtran thought they could stimulate a market like that, especially since they only could connect pax onto boston
 
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RE: Airtran Dropping RIC-PHL

Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:19 am

Regarding construction, RIC is building a new 170k sqft bi-level terminal. The North end is expected to open in about one year, the balance in the late spring or early summer of 2007.

The new roadway has been completed since August last year.

Also underway, expansion of the security screening checkpoints and the construction of a new central utility plant. All projects are progressing well.

An earlier contributor mentioned "maze." The current lower level is one straight building, half of which under demolition - except for a pedestrian walkway leading to the north garage and the rental car garage - to support new terminal construction. The other half contains ticketing and baggage claim. In the center area, rental car are operating service counters.

The upper level, particularly gate areas, are not impacted by current construction.

The airport's three summer months, individually considered, were all "best evers" with July setting an all-time record of about 273k total pax. July, August & September have all seen growth of 20% or greater versus the same period a year ago, and year-to-date, traffic at RIC is up more than 15%.

The fact is, all growing airports are either in the midst of construction, just finished a major project, or are contemplating their next one.