planesailing
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Airline Casm

Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:58 am

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know the CASM's of Virgin Atlantic, BA or BMI?

We all know about JetBlues $0.07 CASM, and was wondering how the UK majors compare.
 
planesailing
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RE: Airline Casm

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:14 am

No one has any ideas then?
 
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RE: Airline Casm

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:46 am

Why do you care what the American-measured CASM is for British legacy carriers versus JetBlue of all things?

BA flying a 747 may have equal CASM to JetBlue blyan an A320... therefore, um, ... nothing. The airlines are too different to compare in any meaningful way.

Ryanair might be more what you want to examine versus BA. Even that is not meaningful. It's like comparing 2 different industries that make different products for different customers. PROFITS are the best measure of airline efficiency, not CASM.
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RE: Airline Casm

Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:51 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 2):
Why do you care what the American-measured CASM is for British legacy carriers versus JetBlue of all things?

First thing that sprung to mind. Though all the airline business books I have read go on alot about the Jetblue and Southwest CASM's. I was just curious as to how British Airlines in comparison compared.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 2):
BA flying a 747 may have equal CASM to JetBlue blyan an A320... therefore, um, ... nothing. The airlines are too different to compare in any meaningful way.

I thought CASM was a level playing field for comparison? Hence the reason people compare Jetblue's CASM with AA or United's CASM.
 
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RE: Airline Casm

Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:11 am

Concorde probably had a CASM 20 times higher than JetBlue's, but if the RASM was proportionally higher, it still makes money.

NetJet's would have HUGE CASM's, probably over $1 on most flights. But with the prices they get for a BizJet ride, they'll work out too.
 
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RE: Airline Casm

Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 3):
Though all the airline business books I have read go on alot about the Jetblue and Southwest CASM's

Yes CASM is a common obsession of amateur observers and textbook/article writers. But CASM is just a coincidental byproduct of route structure and SOMEwhat indicative of efficiency/lean-ness. Presently Jetblue is launching short-haul flights on E-190s. Expect their CASM to rise because of this. But they are chasing profits, not worrying about CASM, a basically meaningless and inconsequential number.

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 3):
I thought CASM was a level playing field for comparison? Hence the reason people compare Jetblue's CASM with AA or United's CASM.

No, it's a ludicrous comparison! Those people are crazy.

All else equal, reducing CASM is good. But all else is NEVER equal, not even at the same airline! It's like comparing the cost per car of Toyota and GM and pretending that explains everything. Um, no. Different cars, different countries, different customers, etc. One cannot become the other, nor should they try.
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