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Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:21 pm

I was reading the info on the A350 on Airbus' site and they say they have 140 commitments or which 10 from an undisclosed customer. Any idea? TAP?
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:36 pm

Quoting BrightCedars (Thread starter):

TAP is ordering 11, although there could have been an adjustment.
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:36 pm

Quoting BrightCedars (Thread starter):
I was reading the info on the A350 on Airbus' site and they say they have 140 commitments or which 10 from an undisclosed customer. Any idea? TAP?

I would like to believe that. Although I believe that this order will go to Air Lingus. The Portuguese government is still evaluating all options.

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:41 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 2):

Not again...... It's because of the government and alleged bribery that TAP got the 340's in the first place.
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 5:57 pm

I though TAP's initial order would be for A330s?

How about IB?
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:13 pm

Quoting TAP340 (Reply 3):
Not again...... It's because of the government and alleged bribery that TAP got the 340's in the first place.

No TAP340, Tap got those 4x A340-300 so that they could start services to the Far East (MACAU). This route proved to be unprofitable and so they cancelled it. The 4x A340 have actually proven to be efficient in Taps fleet, especially for the South African route and South America.

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 6:54 pm

Mr Leahy just stated he hopes to announce it in the next 2 weeks. He said the airline has Board approval and also Government approval. Interesting.

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:18 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
Mr Leahy just stated he hopes to announce it in the next 2 weeks. He said the airline has Board approval and also Government approval. Interesting.

In that case I would lean towards an order from Tap Portugal.

Does anyone know if Iberia is still state owned?

What other airlines would fit into this category?

Alitalia- nearly bankrupt
Olimpic- nearly bankrupt
Thai Airways- ?

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:18 pm

Government approval. What Airlines that may order the A350 need governement approval? A Chinese carrier, Thai, Aeroflot?
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
In that case I would lean towards an order from Tap Portugal.

I think that could be the case. He spoke on their press conference which was live via their site. I was very surprised when he said "they've got Government approval"

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:31 pm

Quoting Manni (Reply 8):
Government approval. What Airlines that may order the A350 need governement approval?

When the government is the shareholder, it's normal to get its approval.
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:33 pm

Qantas or BA or LH or.....

*wishing n hoping*

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:38 pm

Yes, I'm aware of that. That'w why I am asking, what (wich would have been more clearer) airlines need governement approval, meaning wich airlines are (partially) owned by their respective governement.
Nevertheless, thanks.  Wink

Is AY owned (partially) by the governement?
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:46 pm

Does anyone know if the following carriers can be excluded from the list?

Tap Portugal- very possible
Air Lingus- Very possible
Thai- Very possible
Olimpic- nearly bankrupt
Alitalia- Nearly bankrupt
Finnair- very possible
Aeroflot- possible
Mexicana - possible
Saudi Arabian Airlines- ?
Gulf Air-?


Anyone else have any idea?

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:47 pm

Well TAP is one of them.....
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:51 pm

Quoting TAP1972 (Reply 14):
Well TAP is one of them....

Hi TAP1972, you must have read my post wrong. I wrote what carriers can be EXCLUDED from the list.

Am sure that Tap would be a prime candidate.

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:16 pm

AER (note spelling!) Lingus has been mentioned on Irish bulletin boards as a possibility, but over the past few months, amid the considerable number of rumours about new long haul aircraft, there has been one consistent factor: no interest in the A350 evident whatsoever.

Of course, one can't discount the fact that rumours have been "placed" as a means of putting pressure on Airbus to provide a better deal, BUT I do get the very distinct impression that Boeing is favoured. It would surprise me (and not pleasantly!) if it were EI, but I guess we'll see.

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:20 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 15):
Hi TAP1972, you must have read my post wrong

Hi wings. How are you doing? I was replying to Manni. Sorry for the confusion

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:23 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 16):
BUT I do get the very distinct impression that Boeing is favoured.

Why do you say that? EI has been replacing the B737's with A320/321
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:46 pm

I would exclude Olympic, Alitalia and Saudi Arabian. How about SK, MH, PR, CI, UL and BG?
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:08 pm

Current A350 customers:

Air Europa 10
ALAFCO 12
CIT 5
GECAS 10
Kingfisher Airlines 5
Qatar Airways 60
TAM 8
US Airways 20

Unidentified:

Gulf Air
Emirates
Singapore Airlines
Sri Lankan
Aer Lingus
Royal Brunei
Malaysian
Thai
Indian Airlines
Etihad Airways
British Airways
Lufthansa
Air France/KLM
Aeroflot
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:13 pm

Kaitak,

On a side note, which Irish bulletin boards are still open?
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:27 pm

Im sure its not a chinese carrier.

According to a recent FLIGHT magazine article China will not order any A350's in the near term, or anything that is not deliverable prior to the Olympics.

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:29 pm

wouldnt suprise me if its AF for a A340-300 Replacement, wich they want to dispose from the fleet in about 5 years...
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:28 pm

My guess for the stronger contenders would be TP, QF, SQ, in that order.
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:51 pm

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 24):
My guess for the stronger contenders would be TP, QF, SQ, in that order.

Well the last two would certainly create some news!  Smile
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:22 am

If you added another 0 to it I would say EK
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 24):
My guess for the stronger contenders would be TP, QF, SQ, in that order.



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 25):

Well the last two would certainly create some news! Smile

Well PanAm clearly stated in his reply that the carrier involved still required both board approval and government approval. Is SQ and QF in anyway still government owned?

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 6):
Mr Leahy just stated he hopes to announce it in the next 2 weeks. He said the airline has Board approval and also Government approval. Interesting.

Regards, PanAm_DC10

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:34 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 11):
Qantas or BA or LH or.....

*wishing n hoping*

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:56 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 27):
Well PanAm clearly stated in his reply that the carrier involved still required both board approval and government approval. Is SQ and QF in anyway still government owned?

SQ yes, QF I don't know. But I'm taking the comment about government approval very lightly  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:57 am

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 11):
Qantas

Won't be QF... they don't need government approval as they are not a government owned airline.

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:10 am

Hi Wings,

The Irish bulletin boards now open are : Dublin Airport forum, Flying in Ireland and Grounded Ireland. The Dublin Airport forum is the most active.

Hope to see you there soon!
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:51 am

Theres a board for shannon airport aswell, I forget the address. Heres another active forum:
http://www.ifsd.ie/Forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=40

Quoting MEA (Reply 20):
Gulf Air
Emirates
Singapore Airlines
Sri Lankan
Aer Lingus
Royal Brunei
Malaysian
Thai
Indian Airlines
Etihad Airways
British Airways
Lufthansa
Air France/KLM
Aeroflot

If it has recieved approval from the respective government, then some of these can be ruled out. EI have said recently that an announcement will be made within the next couple of weeks on future long haul routes and that their long haul order will be announced before the end of the year.
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:17 am

Quoting BrightCedars (Thread starter):
I was reading the info on the A350 on Airbus' site and they say they have 140 commitments or which 10 from an undisclosed customer. Any idea? TAP?

How about UA? They're soon to come out of bankruptcy and may have received a super deal from Airbus. Just a thought...
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:53 am

I think SU is very possible. on the press release, airbus actually noted that many of the parts would come from countries such as russia. Since this aircraft would essentially come from parts of the CIS, i think the russian government will be more prone to ordering the A350 instead of the 787. Also, Aeroflot might get an earlier time slot than had they chosen the 787. Also Aeroflot's fleet of A320's is growing, and they might prefer the airbus product to the boeing one.
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:55 am

If you're trying to guess the airline based on the government-thing, remember that a publicly traded company can't favor one shareholder, even if it is the government. Any airline that can inform the government first must explicitly be under its control - it being the majority owner isn't enough.

For example, someone on another board was complaining about Finnair wasting taxpayer money on something. This is simply not possible, as the government just owns shares in it like any other shareholder. (Not to mention that Finnair is profitable  Smile )

I can't guarantee laws are the same everywhere, of course.
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:56 am

Air india? or could it be LOT? It could also be my native country, Egypt for MSR.

[Edited 2005-10-07 20:58:18]
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:03 am

Quoting Korg747 (Reply 36):
Air india? or could it be LOT?

I wouldn't think it be one of those, but if it is AI then it is a very BIG surprise.

LOT just purchased B787's

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:13 am

What about a Chinese option?

China Airlines has A330's, and China is playing a big part in the deisgn process.

[Edited 2005-10-07 21:14:39]
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting Hjulicher (Reply 34):
I think SU is very possible. on the press release, airbus actually noted that many of the parts would come from countries such as russia. Since this aircraft would essentially come from parts of the CIS, i think the russian government will be more prone to ordering the A350 instead of the 787. Also, Aeroflot might get an earlier time slot than had they chosen the 787. Also Aeroflot's fleet of A320's is growing, and they might prefer the airbus product to the boeing one.

Russia is doing lots of work for the 787 also, so I think its a bit of a "draw" on that end!
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:25 am

Strong rumors say it could possibly be Aer Lingus.
Seems too early for China.Chinese airlines seem not to be ready yet to order planes to be delivered after the Olympic games.
No way for TAP , since they have gone A330.
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:28 am

Maybe Turkish...to replace the A310.

It's just a guess.
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:37 am

Gura mile maith agat Kaitak, EI, will take a look...

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:41 am

What are the routes that Aer Lingus are planning for A350? Is it being discussed as a direct replacement for A330's on Trans Atlantic ops or for another role?

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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 13):
Gulf Air-?

IIRC I read in the latest AirlinerWorld issue that Gulf Air wanted to simplify it's long-haul fleet to one (new) type. So it may be a possibility that that type is the A350. Don't know if they are state-owned though.
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:55 am

As GECAS is already in there with ALAFCO, they could be for ILFC. They seem to be the one missing from the usual suspects list.
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:40 am

Quoting Planesailing (Reply 38):
China Airlines has A330's, and China is playing a big part in the deisgn process.

China Airlines CI is a Taiwanese carrier and technically they are still in a civil war with the communist on the Chinese mainland, though you may be right about them being a potential A350 customer though they like CX have a phobia of ETOPs over the N Pacific

Quoting FCKC (Reply 40):
Chinese airlines seem not to be ready yet to order planes to be delivered after the Olympic games.

I guess that means all the early 787 delivery positions must be going to Chinese carriers??? Not!
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:17 am

Trex8,

Great points you make there.. I'll not comment further  sarcastic 

As for the 787 China is getting 52 787's from July 2008, are they not early aircraft on the line?

15 x 787-800 for Air China
15 x 787-800 for China Eastern
10 x 787-800 for China Southern
9 x 787-800 for Shanghai Airlines
3 x 787-800 for Xiamen Airlines
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:35 am

well the games are in August and somehow I don't see these airlines getting every one of those early delivery slots!!
 
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RE: Airbus: 10 Undisclosed Orders For A350: Who?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:48 pm

Strange nobody came up with:

ROYAL JORDANIAN

Some FACTS:

-) They were looking for exactly 10 (!) new planes and have turned exclusively to Airbus last summer after intensive talks with Boeing fell through on the financing of a fleet renewal. Ten is the exact number listed by Airbus; (not 14 like for TAP or TENISH like for Aer Lingus, the 2 most quoted candidates.

-) RJ is a government owned airline and thus needs clearance to buy a new fleet, something which -again according to Leahy- was recently obtained by the new A350 customer, thus clearing the way for the A350 deal.

-) The negociations between RJ and Airbus on a fleet renewal are set to be finalized around November, which is accidentally the period Leahy said he hoped to unveil the identity of the new A350 customer.

-) The fleet renewal at RJ would concentrate on their intercontinental fleet of A310s and the older A320s (which are often used on longer routes to Western Europe) and RJ said it wants to replace the 2 by only 1 type.

The only thing against RJ I could think of it that previously they were seriously looking into the A321, but who knows maybe the A350-800 has been offered to them with success... the increase in capacity (compared to the A310) is not that dramatic and a launch customer will certainly get a good deal.

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