folov
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Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 7:40 pm

In the past week few carrier announced theat they will reduce the weight of the bags to 50 pounds?
What do you think?

[Edited 2005-10-07 12:40:56]
 
geoffm
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:24 pm

Good. It'll mean I won't be paying for other people's baggage.

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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:38 pm

I'm all for it. Especially since people (here in the States) now weigh about 20 pounds more than they did, it's only fair to reduce the luggage allowance by 20 pounds.

I haven't ever packed a bag that weighed more than 50 lb anyhow, domestically.
International, I think the allowance should remain 70.
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:52 pm

Probably the most important reason to reduce to a 50 lb/22.5 kgm per bag limit is to reduce injuries to baggage handlers. The increased use of smaller regional jets on more routes in the USA and elsewhere makes it more difficult to handle heavier bags and probably increased injury rates. Heavier bags require more handling, including segerating them from standard level luggage and the procedures as to additional payments. On some routes, for example some Carribbean destinations, you have very high demands for excessive luggage, so much so that one may have to reduce the number of pax on the flights as only have so much space and weight allowances on some flights and equipment.
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:05 pm

I think many airlines already have the 50 lb. limit. I know on Airtran, USAirways, and Southwest, you have to pay more for any bag over 50 lbs. Are you suggesting the airlines are considering 50 lbs. max per pax instead of 50 lbs. max ber bag?

I think airlines should reward pax who have very little baggage. I'm not sure how that could be done with carry-on bags, but the idea is worthwhile. It could be something like giving each pax with less than 30 lbs. of total baggage a free drink coupon.
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:16 pm

What i see
*Less injuries, cut cost
*less problem with overpacked bag, that come damage , cut cost
*less fuel,cut the cost
*more income to airlines for excess baggage
*more space for cargo ,more revenue
*easier for TSA
*no refusal of bags, cargo or even pax due to weight restrictions

The bad side
*More argument with pax ,since if it happens not all carriers will apply the rule at the same time. Or "i was not told", "i always travelled with 70pounds"
*might loose pax to other company, but sure enough they will follow to cut their cost.

so just short term prolem

I mean you go on vacations, 2 bags at 23 kgs is plenty of space. If you move to another country think cargo. I bought a container when i moved the the US.
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:30 pm

Hi guys! Can you enlighten me (as an EU member of this site) if this proposed 50lbs limit is:

a.) only proposed for domestic routes; and

b.) is it proposed to be nationally enforced or would individual carriers apply this of their own choosing (which in my opinion would make baggage weight a competitive tool)?

Many thanks.
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:07 pm

Quoting BUFJets (Reply 4):
I think airlines should reward pax who have very little baggage

No, it should be the other way around. A drinks voucher is worth nothing compared to the cost of fuel saved. So instead, hit the passengers with heavy luggage where it hurts - in their wallet.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
50 lb anyhow, domestically.
International, I think the allowance should remain 70.

I disagree with weight differences. Why does a 2 week holiday domestically need less baggage than a 2 week holiday internationally (in general terms)? I pack roughly the same weight whether I go to Scotland, Spain, Thailand, or Peru.

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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:25 pm

Having stood in line ( as I am sure we all have ) behind people who seem determined to take all their worldly goods on holiday with them I applaud the idea . It is curious how pretty much everyone else in the world can cope with 20kg of luggage but for some reason people from North America ( yes , I am including Canadians in this as well ! ) are not .

As an aside - many years ago I worked in a small country hotel in Scotland - we had a guest arrive once directly from the US for one week - and he was going directly back afterwards . Having damned near killed myself dragging his luggage up the stairs I was intensely curious to see what was going to come out of it - each day when he came down I looked to see what he was wearing/carrying .... and the cumulative total of things I saw in one week , including clothing items didn't account for a fraction of what that bag weighed - to this day I am convinced he was some sort of Norman Bates taking his "mother" on holiday ... although not much of a holiday as she never seemed to get out of the case .
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:31 pm

Quoting BUFJets (Reply 4):
I think airlines should reward pax who have very little baggage. I'm not sure how that could be done with carry-on bags, but the idea is worthwhile. It could be something like giving each pax with less than 30 lbs. of total baggage a free drink coupon.

Sorry, I have to disagree on this one. It would be opening a can of worms. First of all, the maximum allowance is your entitlement. If you don't use it, it's your choice. If rewards were introduced for less luggage checked in, we would also have to start rewarding pax who decline free food/ drink, not using the lounges when entitled to etc. Secondly, pax are crafty in general. In case of less checked luggage, I fear that the average size of hand luggage will grow to make up for the weight sacrificed in the checked baggage. Thus, no overall savings would be achieved. Thirdly, it would be complicated to introduce and maintain, e.g. would you introduce staggered rewards, i.e. most to those not checking anything vs. those checking in 29lbs, etc.? I can't see it happen.
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:34 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 8):
Having stood in line ( as I am sure we all have ) behind people who seem determined to take all their worldly goods on holiday with them I applaud the idea . It is curious how pretty much everyone else in the world can cope with 20kg of luggage but for some reason people from North America ( yes , I am including Canadians in this as well ! ) are not .

I can relate to that, whenever my family goes on holiday my sister and mother carry so much stuff that they look like they are moving or something, most of the things in the bag never leave the bag. ABSURD!

I think the main problem will be with the Latin American and Caribbean flights especially AA's flights out of MIA, stand in line at MIA and you wont believe what people carry in their bags, they come to Miami on shopping sprees!.
AA just started this week the new weight reductions, although they dont apply to destinations were people are famous for taking a lot of luggage, just take a look http://www.aa.com/content/travelInfo...JMVU1EMQBFFS4VMD?anchorEvent=false
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:40 pm

Quoting Luisca (Reply 10):
I can relate to that, whenever my family goes on holiday my sister and mother carry so much stuff that they look like they are moving or something, most of the things in the bag never leave the bag.

Luisca - thank you ,thank you , thank you

"most of the things never leave the bag" - how wonderful , you have made my day - I have always assumed this but never had any evidence ( other than my Norman Bates character ) to back up my assumption.


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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:40 pm

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 1):
Good. It'll mean I won't be paying for other people's baggage.

I would favor eliminating the baggage allowance altogether. All bags and carryon get weighed (including purses) and there is a charge per lb/kg. I would be ok with a total allowance of 5 to 10kg including carryons.
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:41 pm

Great idea, I always travel light and do not feel like subsidizing people that has to bring every thing they own when travelling.
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:20 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't most carriers outside of the US already have a limit of 20Kg (which is less than 50lbs)?
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:47 pm

From a ramper's point of view, I applaud the decision. It saves fuel, will reduce the injuries and hopefully will result in some extra money pocketed by the airlines. But the people who carried 70 or 90 pounds will whine, but will ultimately take the same amount of stuff, even if they have to pay.

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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:13 am

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 14):
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't most carriers outside of the US already have a limit of 20Kg (which is less than 50lbs)?

Yep, you are 100% spot-on. This is called the 'weight system' (most airlines use 20kgs max, though there are slight variations either up or down). Flights to the US and only a few other places use the 'piece system', which is 2 bags at 32kgs each.
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
I would be ok with a total allowance of 5 to 10kg including carryons.

Well, I would not. Just because you're OK with it does not mean it would suit everyone.
I do a lot of backpacking and therefore I pack as little as rasonably possible since I will carry it on my back and even with thinking twice whatto pack and what not roughly a week-long supply of clothing for warm climate, sleeping bag, spare shoes and toiletries gets you somewhere around 12-15kg.
I think the present European 20kg rule is adequate and there's no need to decrease it.
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:37 am

I have always wondered about the absurdly high 2x70 lbs baggage limit for North American passengers. I know many passengers from USA taking advantage of this allowance to carry silly things to India for example, things like discarded old clothes, bags of macaroni or kilos of cheap candy for distribution. It was time this practice stopped. Bear in mind the carry-ons allowed in the cabin are also a new thing and this is not subject to the weight limitation. They usually weight about 20 kilos more.
 
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RE: Should Carriers Reduce Weight To 50 Pounds?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:47 am

LH just announced their reduction for transatlantic passengers today, effective 01Nov05.
However, it affects only economy class passengers.

First/Business class transatlantic passengers will retain the 2pcs @ 32kg (70lbs) each.
Economy class transatlantic passengers will be limited to 2pcs @ 23kg (50lbs) each.

They will charge a flat rate of $25 for any piece exceeding 23kg up to a maximum of 32kg. Any bag above 32kg will then be charged based on the existing schedule of excess baggage charges.

This is rapidly becoming the new standard for transatlantic baggage allowances. Most U.S. carriers flying transatlantic have already introduced these new levels.
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