Tiger119
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Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:20 am

After AA pulled the plug on their "Focus City/Mini-Hub" operations at BNA several years ago, what airline took over the top spot as far as passengers carried and number of landings and take offs yearly? BTW, I was checking on booking a flight with AA and the date I entered into their website gave me an option to fly through BNA. The second question, how were the letters "BNA" chosen for the airport?
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:26 am

BNA stands for "Berry NAshville" named after some guy (a former mayor?) named Berry. Identifiers that start with "N" are reserved for Navy use, so they had to come up with something else, which they did.

I think Southwest has the most operations there now, but am now 100% sure...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/nashville.htm

[Edit] Not the mayor, but the administrator of the WPA at the time...

[Edited 2005-10-08 03:30:09]
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miles_mechanic
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:26 am

Hello Tiger,

I have been to Nashville a lot over the past few years, and Southwest is the big player in Nashville now, there are lots of Southwest airplanes in and out of Nashville now. Delta has a few flight, and Northwest, and American have some flights into Nashville, but Southwest has the most flights in and out of there. I am not sure how Nashville got its identifier letters, but I assume the NA is for Nashville, but that is just a guess. There are lots of airports that I am curious about also, as they don't make any sense for th city, like MCO for Orlando, MSY for New Orleans, etc.
http://www.flynashville.com this is the airport information page for the Nashville airport
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:26 am

I would assume without even looking at the numbers, that WN dominates BNA these days.
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:35 am

Southwest Airlines WN has a lot of flights in and out of BNA. Not too sure if they're on top of the pax or flight movements now that AA moved out.

As for "BNA" - I'm not too sure why, but I can explain why it isn't something less confusing: Airports' 3-letter IATA codes cannot start with a 'K' or an 'N' in the continental United States because

  • Naval air stations and some military airfields have N is the first letter of their 3-letter IATA-equivalent code,
  • The 4-letter ICAO translation is the 3-letter IATA code with the letter 'K' added to the front (in the mainland United States only - Alaska and Hawaii are different)
  • BNA has, well, two letters "NA" of Nashville in it, that ought to count for something, right?  Wink

Note some peculiarites due the no 'K' nor 'N' rules:

  • EWR (nEWaRk liberty intl)
  • TYS (knoxville TYSon field),
  • ORF (nORFolk/virginia beach intl)
  • MSY (new orleans MoiSant with an invisible Y, now louis armstrong intl)  Silly
  • MCI (kansas city Mid-Continent Intl), etc.
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:40 am

Quoting Miles_mechanic (Reply 2):
like MCO for Orlando

What is now Orlando International used to be McCoy air force base, hence the MCO.
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:44 am

Southwest is by far the #1 airline in Nashville with around 80 flights a day. I would guess mainline American, Continental Express and Mesa run close second. Backed up by USAirways and Northwest

[Edited 2005-10-08 03:49:38]
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:58 am

Slower traffic, keep right
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:04 am

You know, I wish that I'd have said that...  Wink
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:13 am

ha, nice. My brain is definitely working tonight. oops!!

ummmm... frontier and independence also fly into BNA.  wink 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:15 am

Just funning ya.. You have a nice airport there...
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:25 am

Quoting Pr1268 (Reply 4):
MSY (new orleans MoiSant with an invisible Y, now louis armstrong intl)

I was told MSY stood for Moisant Stock Yard for the French aviator who crashed his plane into the stock yards that once stood where the airport now sits. I started with F9 at MSY last year. We joked that MSY stood for messy, and it sure fits now.

BNA is Berry National Airfield. There is a plaque inside the airport. It is a great airport that ranks high in surveys, especially for rental car convenience.

I am from Nashville and worked for American Eagle in BNA from 1994 to 1996. I moved to DFW with a bunch of other folks when AA downsized its hub.

Everyone is correct. WN is the big player. They took over almost 2/3 of AA's gates in concourse C. The airport carries more passengers now than when AA had its "hub."
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:35 am

This is from www.flymsy.com

What does MSY stand for?
MSY stands for Moisant Stock Yards. Before the airport was built, an early aviation pioneer crashed a small plane on the property--John Moisant. John was born in 1868 in Kankakee, IL. His death in a crash on what was then a Harahan Plantation occurred while he was preparing to try for a new world's record for sustained flight. After the crash, the property was turned into stock yards for cattle and named after him--Moisant Stock Yards. Then the airport was built on the same site. Since most residents knew where Moisant Stock Yards were located, the name was used as the first identifier for the airport. The original name of the airport was Moisant Field. The name was changed to New Orleans International Airport, but the identifier stayed the same since it is extremely difficult to change the airports identifier in all of the publications
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:38 am

From www.flynashville.com

BNA History

In 1935, then Nashville Mayor Hillary Howse appointed a Citizens Committee to select a site for an airport in Nashville. After months of research, the area chosen was a 340-acre site comprised of four adjoining farms located along the Dixie Highway (now Murfreesboro Road).

Constructed as a Works Progress Administration project, the airport was dedicated in 1936, and officially opened in June of 1937. It was named Berry Field in honor of Colonel Harry S. Berry, State Administrator of the WPA. The three letter identifier, BNA, stands for Berry Field NAshville. The new airport consisted of a terminal building, two hangars, a 4,000 ft. concrete runway and a flashing beacon. American and Eastern airlines were the first air carriers to serve Nashville, and within the year, 189,000 passengers had used the facilities.

Berry Field became the military base for the 4th Ferrying Command during World War II. The federal government added additional acreage for its military operations, and in 1946, after the war ended, the military returned a 1,500 acre airport to the city of Nashville.

With the rapid growth of air transportation, Berry Field's facilities became obsolete, and in 1958, the City Aviation Department began plans to expand the airport. A new 145,900-square-foot passenger terminal opened in 1961, a year after the inaugural flight of Nashville's first jet-powered service. Six airlines were then serving Nashville, and airline passengers exceeded half a million people (532,790). In 1963, the existing Runway (2L-20R) was extended by an additional 600 feet, and construction began on a new crosswind Runway (13-31).

In 1969, the General Assembly passed legislation allowing the Airport Authority to be created. In 1970, the Metropolitan Government of Nashville/Davidson County formed the Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority (MNAA), replacing the City Aviation Department. The Authority is a self-supporting public corporation that manages, owns and operates the airport.

The Authority completed a Master Plan in 1973 for long-term growth of the airport. The Plan provided for existing terminal expansion, a new terminal and a new parallel runway east of Donelson Pike to meet future demand.

In 1977, the airport consisted of 3,300 acres with three runways. The passenger terminal was renovated and expanded to 189,000-square-foot Realizing that further expansion would be needed to meet accelerating passenger demand, the Authority updated the 1973 Master Plan in 1980 and began an environmental assessment for a new terminal. The Authority unveiled designs for a new terminal and started site preparation in 1984. Airport revenue bonds in the amount of $128.5 million financed the terminal construction.

In 1985, an additional $76 million in airport revenue bonds were issued to fund terminal program expansion.

A preliminary Environmental Impact Statement on the new parallel north-south runway was completed. In 1987 the airport dedicated the new 750,000-square-foot passenger terminal. Major construction began on the new parallel runway east of Donelson Pike in February 1988. It connected to the existing runways by a taxiway bridge spanning Donelson Pike.

The airport's name was changed to Nashville International Airport in 1988 to reflect present and future international air service goals.

After months of study to determine the best use of the old terminal, it was demolished in 1989. The site is presently designated for aviation support industry in the airport master plan.

The new parallel Runway (2R-20L) was dedicated in 1989.

Today, Nashville International Airport is served by 17 carriers. More than 424 average daily arriving and departing flights operate from 47 air carrier gates. Nashville International provides nonstop and air service to nearly 84 cities in the U.S., Canada and Mexico. In 1999, the airport handled more than 8.5 million passengers. The terminal has been expanded over the years to accommodate our visitors with 820,000 square feet of space.

As air travel demands increase, the Metropolitan Nashville Airport Authority is committed to enhancing aviation services and benefits for the residents of the Tennessee, Southern Kentucky and Northern Alabama economic regions.
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:20 pm

King, which department did you work for at BNA? I used to work for AE from 1992-1995 until I moved to AA HDQ in 1995. I've been in Dallas ever since although I no longer work for AA.
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:00 pm

Hey everyone, thanks for answering my questions, and sharing more info about Nashville, I really liked visiting BNA, it was a nice airport to do some spotting as there is a that nice place over by the cargo area, a nice open grassy area beside the one runway, and always cool to watch the airplanes taxi over Donaldson Pike I believe it is that you drive on under the taxiway.

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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:16 pm

And for those that don't know, we even get at DAILY JUMBO here at BNA. Everyday, Air China Freight brings a load of parts to mega-computer maker Dell, which is located just across Murfreesboro Road (Approaches to the North fly directly above Dell!). I'm assuming that this 747 is leaving with plenty of completed Dell's heading overseas. These blury pic's taken by yours truly on a very hazy 10/03/05 (10:16 AM, CDT) from the observation area. Route of this Daily is Taipei, Taiwan (RCTP), Anchorage, AK (ANC), Nashville, (BNA)

Taxi to 20R


ROTATE!


Notice that rotation! It's only 4,000 ft down the runway!

[Edited 2005-10-08 07:35:13]
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:08 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
I'm assuming that this 747 is leaving with plenty of completed Dell's heading overseas.

Actually I think it leaves with little Dell on board. Lots of other stuff though. I've seen cars getting put on it several times.
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 3:58 pm

I saw somewhere that the BNA airport authority asked WN to add more flights and WN told them there were no more passengers. I thought that was kind of funny.

BNA looks like a nice airport from the pics, is it not?
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:02 pm

Other interesting ones:


ORD : "ORcharD Field"

IAD : "International Airport Dulles", (because of confusion between DCA and DIA...)

SDF : "StanDiford Field"

etc etc...


good website for it here:

http://www.skygod.com/asstd/abc.html

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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 4:18 pm

LAX - Los Angeles X......ummmmm....X.....?
 
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:06 pm

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 16):
I'm assuming that this 747 is leaving with plenty of completed Dell's heading overseas.

This is what the cargo hold typically looks like for the next leg of the flight. ( shameless self plug )

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Photo © John padgett


It will typically go to Chicago, Dallas, San Francisco, Los Angeles or Seattle after leaving BNA.

[Edited 2005-10-08 10:14:33]
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sat Oct 08, 2005 5:10 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 20):
LAX - Los Angeles X......ummmmm....X.....?

From the link I posted above:

When the Wright brothers first took to the air in 1903, there was no need for coding airports since an airport was literally any convenient field with a strong wind. However, the National Weather Service did tabulate data from cities around the country using a two-letter identification system. Early airlines simply copied this system, but as airline service exploded in the 1930's, towns without weather station codes needed identification. Some bureaucrat had a brainstorm and the three-letter system was born, giving a seemingly endless 17,576 different combinations. To ease the transition, existing airports placed an X after the weather station code. The Los Angeles tag became LAX, Portland became PDX, Phoenix became PHX and so on. Incidentally at the historic sand dune in Kitty Hawk where the first flight occurred the U.S. National Parks Service maintains a tiny airstrip called FFA—First Flight Airport.


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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:02 am

Quoting UnattendedBag (Reply 21):
This is what the cargo hold typically looks like for the next leg of the flight. ( shameless self plug )

Well, that would explain the rotation at only 4,000 ft!
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:32 am

I saw the China Air 747 taxi-ing about 6:00AM on Sep 21. No sure if it was arriving or departing.

I also saw the F9 flight depart shortly there after. From the AA gate at the end of the first straight away on concourse "C" just past the smoking room you can see just about everything.
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:11 am

When did American pull out of BNA as a hub? I had a cousin work as a FA for AA before they pulled out and he worked out of New York City. AA had about 5 or 6 flights a day from any of the NYC airports to BNA so he could get home easily. After AA pulled out, he left the industry.

Also, looking at the airport diagram, why don't they extend 2R/20L further south making it a longer runway? Wouldn't that give ANG flights in and out more options as to what runway they could use?

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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:14 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 25):
When did American pull out of BNA as a hub?

I want to say 1992-1993 window.
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RE: Nashville BNA Questions

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:47 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 25):
Also, looking at the airport diagram, why don't they extend 2R/20L further south making it a longer runway? Wouldn't that give ANG flights in and out more options as to what runway they could use?

2R/20L is already at 8,000. Extending it further south would mean re-routing Murfreesboro Road which runs past the south end of the field. This is a major thoroughfare and would entail a massive project. Besides, 13/31 is already 11,000 feet, so there really isn't a need.

AA pulled out officially in 1995, but the dismantling began in the early 90's. By 93 or so, Eagle had the majority of operations...
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