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AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:49 am

Excerpt from a speech yesterday by American Airlines CEO Gerard Arpey to the World Affairs Council of Dallas:

"In fact, North Texas did 10 billion dollars worth of business with China last year, making that country our largest trading partner for the second year in a row.

This was achieved, of course, despite the fact that there is no direct air service between Dallas and China -- a problem, you can rest assured, we intend to fix as soon as possible. At the moment, the highly restrictive aviation treaty between the U.S. and China is keeping us from connecting Dallas and China directly. However, the good news is that starting next April we will be offering one-stop service to Shanghai via Chicago.

Hopefully, the non-stop service we all want is not too far away. And when that day comes, we will be ready. A new flight to China would certainly complement the robust service we already offer at DFW to Europe, Latin America and Asia.
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Interesting ...
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:54 am

Very interesting and not surprising. It's been said the DFW-Asia flights perform well (on both AA and KE) and I think someone on A.net commented that DFW-PEK is on a drawing board when the next go-around of US-China authorities are discussed.

Not sure why I haven't done this already, but welcome to my respected users, Commavia.

[Edited 2005-10-08 03:55:49]
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:58 am

I doubt that you will see DFW-China nonstop in the next 5 years. There are so many more usefull destinations even for AA before DFW is even considered.

AA is strong in ORD and LAX and both lack China connections. So even AA will implement routes to China from LAX and ORD before DFW.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:03 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 2):
AA is strong in ORD and LAX and both lack China connections. So even AA will implement routes to China from LAX and ORD before DFW.

Chicago will be getting a China connection in less than six months, with a daily AA 777 to Shanghai, and I highly doubt that American would take a foray into the Los Angeles-China market, up against its partner China Eastern, when it could link Beijing and/or Shanghai with its largest hub, providing onward connections on hundreds of flights to dozens of cities, and enormous cargo connectivity to key, burgeoning freight markets like Mexico and South America.

I think DFW-PEK/PVG is much more likely that you suggest, and far more likely than seeing AA fly to China from any other U.S. gateway besides perhaps ORD.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:03 am

Commavia,

This is good news indeed. American has eagerly sought the opportunity to begin non-stop service to China from DFW. Clearly, Asia presents a huge opportunity for profitable expansion and I for one look forward to the chance to add some new points to our ever expanding international route map. The winds of change may at last be shifting in our favor. Here's to hoping the new Asian routes come to fruition for American Airlines.

Best Regards,
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:06 am

i think this is further proof that AA is among the very best candidates for the 772LR and theoretical 772ULR. there's no doubt in my mind that DFW will draw traffic away from UA's stonghold's at LAX and SFO.

DFW is the future of asian and european traffic -- one stop shopping for all connections to the US.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 5):
DFW is the future of asian and european traffic -- one stop shopping for all connections to the US.

I agree. It is centrally located and can probably one day sustain non-stops to Australia, New Zealand, the aforementioned China and the Middle East. It's not outside the realm of possibilities that DFW could surpass ATL as the world's largest hub.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:12 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 2):

AA is strong in ORD and LAX and both lack China connections.

Huh? Three Chinese airlines fly China-Los Angeles non-stop to three cities, while United has daily O'Hare-Beijing and O'Hare-Shanghai service. AA will be starting ORD-PVG this April.
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:19 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 5):
DFW is the future of asian and european traffic -- one stop shopping for all connections to the US.



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 6):
It's not outside the realm of possibilities that DFW could surpass ATL as the world's largest hub.

Wow! That sounds great! Maybe you two should apply for PR jobs at DFW...you could help transform DFW into the top international hub that it's destined to be.

Best Regards,
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:19 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 6):
It's not outside the realm of possibilities that DFW could surpass ATL as the world's largest hub.

from AA's standpoint, the technology is finally starting to match up with the geography. leading airlines from all corners of the world are going to pour in once the 772LR becomes a mainline airline in large numbers.

imagine -- PEK - BWI, STL, even IND with one quick stop.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:39 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Huh? Three Chinese airlines fly China-Los Angeles non-stop to three cities, while United has daily O'Hare-Beijing and O'Hare-Shanghai service. AA will be starting ORD-PVG this April.

Sorry, very misleading. I meant AA doesn't offer any flight China from LAX or ORD. I know that AA will begin ORD-China soon. But why should they start DFW-china before they serve ORD-PEK/PVG and LAX-PE/PVG?

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 5):
i think this is further proof that AA is among the very best candidates for the 772LR and theoretical 772ULR. there's no doubt in my mind that DFW will draw traffic away from UA's stonghold's at LAX and SFO.

how should they draw away any traffic from UA in SFO adn LAX? The only destination UA serves from SFO who could also easily connect via DFW are IAH, SAT, AUS and DFW intself. But I doubt that a significant number of their traffic in SFO is coming from Texas. From Texas it is as fast to travel via ORD. So AA from DFW is no real danger for UA in SFO.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 6):
I agree. It is centrally located and can probably one day sustain non-stops to Australia, New Zealand, the aforementioned China and the Middle East

Maybe, but nobody else than AA or its partners will ever serve DFW from OZ/NZ. DFW is of no interest for anybody else.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 6):
It's not outside the realm of possibilities that DFW could surpass ATL as the world's largest hub.

It never will in the next 20 years. Once ORD has it's new layout they are the one who really could challenge ATL.
But the future as the biggest hub lies in Asia. In 20 years you can be happy to be no. 5.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:40 am

Don't forget ORD-HKG on UA 10x weelky on B744!
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:47 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 10):
Maybe, but nobody else than AA or its partners will ever serve DFW from OZ/NZ. DFW is of no interest for anybody else.

don't be surprised if QF go SYD-DFW route if they decide to pick up some 777-200LR's...
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting Tockeyhockey (Reply 9):
imagine -- PEK - BWI, STL, even IND with one quick stop.

United Airlines offers it. As do Air Canada and Continental.

[Edited 2005-10-08 04:52:19]
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:02 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
don't be surprised if QF go SYD-DFW route if they decide to pick up some 777-200LR's...

Well, QF is a strong oneworld partner of AA. It makes perfect sense for them to fly into DFW. I even wonder why they haven't already started it, at least via AKL due to a lack of an appropriate aircraft.

But like I said, nobody else than AA or one of their codeshare partners has much interest in DFW.

Which carrier from Europe or Asia serves DFW? I can only think of LH and BA. Is KE still serving DFW on some days?
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:31 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 10):
But why should they start DFW-china before they serve ORD-PEK/PVG and LAX-PE/PVG?

Perhaps because both markets are saturated, and both would draw fire from established competitors, whereas opening up a nonstop DFW-China link would face no competition and offer a wide range of onward connections through the world's second largest air hub.

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 10):
how should they draw away any traffic from UA in SFO adn LAX? The only destination UA serves from SFO who could also easily connect via DFW are IAH, SAT, AUS and DFW intself.

Huh? Try again. There's a lot more that DFW can offer in terms of connections beyond Houston, San Antonio and Austin. Try Atlanta. Try Florida. Try the rapidly-expanding, oil-rich Gulf Coast region. Try half of the eastern seaboard. Try Northwest Arkansas, home of Wal*Mart, which could probably fill up an entire 777 nonstop to China each day! (Surely, I jest.) It's a bit more than just Texas, to say the least.

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 10):
But I doubt that a significant number of their traffic in SFO is coming from Texas.

No, but as Arpey alluded to, bilateral trade and economic ties between the fast-growing, economically dynamic Metroplex, state of Texas, and entire southern region of the U.S. are booming. And D/FW will offer the fastest, easiest and most convenient access to a region that is rapidly expanding its economic ties to the Asia/Pacific region and China, specifically.

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 14):
But like I said, nobody else than AA or one of their codeshare partners has much interest in DFW.



Quoting JoFMO (Reply 14):
Which carrier from Europe or Asia serves DFW? I can only think of LH and BA.

Correct. LH brings in a daily A340 from FRA, which apparently does fairly well, BA brings in a daily 777 from LGW, which apparently doesn't do as well, and KE brings in a 777 nonstop from ICN three times per week, which is also a fairly solid performer apparently. Also, on the international front, TACA provides a daily A320 link to SAL, AeroMexico flies daily to MEX, and Mexicana links DFW with Zacatecas and Morelia in Mexico, as well. In addition to gradual expansion of international passenger traffic, international cargo at DFW is booming -- with multiple Asian cargo airlines, EVA, Singapore and Cathay among them, launching all-cargo flights to D/FW in the past few years.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:06 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):
Huh? Try again. There's a lot more that DFW can offer in terms of connections beyond Houston, San Antonio and Austin. Try Atlanta. Try Florida. Try the rapidly-expanding, oil-rich Gulf Coast region. Try half of the eastern seaboard. Try Northwest Arkansas, home of Wal*Mart, which could probably fill up an entire 777 nonstop to China each day! (Surely, I jest.) It's a bit more than just Texas, to say the least

But these destinations can't draw away traffic from SFO and UA because UA doesn't serve them from SFO. They serve them from ORD, and maybe they will loose some traffic in ORD to AA in DFW, but not SFO!

from everywhere east of Texas it is faster to transfer in ORD to Asia than in California. Texas is on the edge and both ways need equal time.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 10):
how should they draw away any traffic from UA in SFO adn LAX? The only destination UA serves from SFO who could also easily connect via DFW are IAH, SAT, AUS and DFW intself. But I doubt that a significant number of their traffic in SFO is coming from Texas. From Texas it is as fast to travel via ORD. So AA from DFW is no real danger for UA in SFO.

i think you missed my point -- because of the incredible connections available domestically at AA, passengers in fast growing areas that need to connect with china for business would prefer to fly to DFW than to SFO or LAX.

AA will become the choice of travelers out of the southeast, texas, and lower midwest. this will give access to true growth areas in the US to china for the first time with one stop -- greenville, shreeveport, mobile, etc. this is where the US economy is really growing, and where conections to china are becoming more and more important.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:31 am

It would be cool to see AA fly to HKG...Any chance of that ever happening?
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:37 am

When the hell will AA ask for something more useful like DFW/ORD/LAX-HKG?

If I want to go to PEK, I can connect on CX.
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:42 am

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 18):
It would be cool to see AA fly to HKG...Any chance of that ever happening?

I think HKG is a very strong possibility given AA's relationship with CX. I would love to see DFW-HKG and the long rumored ORD-HKG come to fruition. In fact I would have predicted AA's entry into HKG long before NGO.

The obvious obstacle is AA's need for 777 aircraft. Does anyone know if could get 5th freedom rights beyond HKG to say India, Vietnam, Singapore etc.?
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:46 am

Lets be very clear. There isn't any real news here.

There are no authorities for AA to fly DFW-PEK/PVG, and none on the horizon. It would be 2008 at the earliest given the current climate before more would become available.

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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:03 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Chicago will be getting a China connection in less than six months

And how soon after will AA drop that service as well. AA has a horrible history of dropping Asia soon after flights commence. As was the case with Nagoya, Osaka, and Taipei.

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 14):
It makes perfect sense for them to fly into DFW

No, it does not. QF, cannot, and will not rely on connecting traffic alone. The only North American gateways that Qantas will be adding anytime soon are SFO, and YVR with the 747-400. Also keep in mind that One World has very little connecting traffic in SFO.

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 16):
But these destinations can't draw away traffic from SFO and UA because UA doesn't serve them from SFO

Try again, most of those cities are linked via United/United Express to SFO!

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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:15 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 22):
AA has a horrible history of dropping Asia soon after flights commence. As was the case with Nagoya, Osaka, and Taipei.

Osaka was flown by American for over two years. It was dropped following 9/11. Taipei was dropped after the tech bubble burst and San Jose lost its luster. Nagoya simply failed to generate the premium traffic it was intended to. American is not stupid, and they don't really have room for error right now for staying in markets as long as some may want, just because those markets might, perhaps, some day, turn a profit. Osaka will be returning this November, and will probably be quite successful, and Chicago-Shanghai launches in April, and -- given the burgeoning market in China and the stunning growth in economic and trade ties betwee the U.S. and China -- I highly doubt that Shanghai is going to be dropped quickly. It will most likely be just like New York-Tokyo and Los Angeles-Tokyo was for AA: naysayers dismissed both moves as "stupid" for going up against established players in both markets, which some regarded saturated. P.S., American is now extremely succesful on both routes, and has outlasted one of the longest "established players" -- Northwest -- in New York-Tokyo.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 22):
No, it does not.

Respectfully, yes it does.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 22):
QF, cannot, and will not rely on connecting traffic alone.

Who said anything about connecting traffic alone? DFW will generate some demand for the flights, but no doubt, connections will make up the majority of the traffic on the route. And, by the way, QF will happily rely on connecting traffic in this market, as DFW is going to open up more U.S. cities to a single-stop connection to Australia than ever before. Markets that have never had single-connection options for flights down under -- I'm talking LaGuardia, I'm talking Washington Reagan, I'm talking Raleigh/Durham, plus huge markets which will have more convenient service -- I'm talking Atlanta, I'm talking Miami, I'm talking Boston -- would all have easy, fast and convenient connections through the world's second largest hubs.

IMO, QF at DFW is just a matter of time, and it makes perfect sense.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 23):
Taipei was dropped after the tech bubble burst and San Jose lost its luster.

Incorrect, American Airlines ended the SJC-TPE 777, quickly after 9-11.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 23):
DFW will generate some demand for the flights, but no doubt, connections will make up the majority of the traffic on the route

The demand from DFW is dwarfed by Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Vancouver, and New York.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 23):
I'm talking LaGuardia, I'm talking Washington Reagan, I'm talking Raleigh/Durham, plus huge markets which will have more convenient service

Psst.... La Guardia, neighbors JFK, which by the way has a 747-400 via LAX to SYD ala Qantas. AA, connects RDU to JFK, a Qantas destination!

Quoting Commavia (Reply 23):
I'm talking Atlanta, I'm talking Miami, I'm talking Boston -- would all have easy, fast and convenient connections through the world's second largest hubs

Psst... Atlanta passengers connect daily using Delta or United to Los Angeles, or San Francisco, where they can connect to Qantas or United nonstop to Australia.

Psst... Miami passengers have connecting flights daily on American Airlines to Los Angeles and San Francisco to connect with United Airlines, and Qantas to Australia.

Psst... Boston passengers have connecting flights daily on American Airlines, United Airlines, and Delta Airlines via Los Angeles and San Francisco to United and Qantas to Australia.

Question for you, if Dallas is such a priority why is it that Chicago is next in line after San Francisco and Vancouver?

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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:39 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 24):
Incorrect, American Airlines ended the SJC-TPE 777, quickly after 9-11.

Like I said, after the tech bubble burst and San Jose lost its luster ... i.e., after 9/11 (yes, I know, the bubble burst pre-9/11, but SJC was spared enormous cuts until after the attacks).

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 24):
The demand from DFW is dwarfed by Los Angeles, San Francisco, Toronto, Vancouver, and New York.

No doubt, another perfect example of why QF would want to fly to DFW. They can channel all of the connecting traffic onto the DFW flight, thus freeing up more and more capacity for wealthier, higher-yielding, more premium O&D traffic originating along the west coast and in New York.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 24):
Psst.... La Guardia, neighbors JFK, which by the way has a 747-400 via LAX to SYD ala Qantas. AA, connects RDU to JFK, a Qantas destination!

Psst ... I am well aware that QF flies to JFK, but offering one-stop access from LaGuardia to Australia would no doubt generate significant demand for that airport, much closer to Manhattan, versus JFK.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 24):
Psst... Atlanta passengers connect daily using Delta or United to Los Angeles, or San Francisco, where they can connect to Qantas or United nonstop to Australia.

Psst... Miami passengers have connecting flights daily on American Airlines to Los Angeles and San Francisco to connect with United Airlines, and Qantas to Australia.

Psst... Boston passengers have connecting flights daily on American Airlines, United Airlines, and Delta Airlines via Los Angeles and San Francisco to United and Qantas to Australia.

Psst... once again, I am quite well aware that all of these cities are now reachable via one-stop connections over LAX or SFO. However, D/FW will offer far more (and easier) connecting opportunities, with many more flights, than either of the west coast gateways ever could.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 24):
Question for you, if Dallas is such a priority why is it that Chicago is next in line after San Francisco and Vancouver?

Question for you, how, exactly, do you know that Chicago is "next in line" after San Francisco and Vancouver?

And, anticipating some response, my answer to your question: DFW would be a better market than Chicago because, while it most likely would not generate as much O&D demand, it offers far more connections, to far more cities.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:45 am

I don't see AA flying to HKG with their own a/c. AA flying their own a/c to PEK and PVG would make sense because connecting in HKG and then up to Beijing or Shanghai is really backtracking.

AA already have 5 daily flights from the US to HKG via codeshare with CX carrying about 1,000 AA passengers a day. This codeshare has been a huge boost to both AA and CX. I think all the AA passengers I see on CX rather enjoy flying on an AA flight number and ticket but getting the CX service. Probably the only people who want AA to fly their own metal to HKG are people on this board.

I am waiting to hear when CX will announce their own flights HKG-ORD and HKG-DFW.

If you've been to HKG, you've seen that AA has an very impressive operation. To the uninformed (non a.net'ers) you would think you were in an AA hub. Look at the flight information board and you see 30-40 AA flights a day out of HKG. (5 AA flights to BKK, 5 to NRT, TPE, MNL, SIN, etc) When you listen to the airport announcements "American Airlines 6812 to BKK is now boarding", "American Airlines 6832 to SIN is delayed", "AA 6983 to San Francisco boarding at Gate 2" etc. you'd think that AA has a huge presence, which it does.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 25):
Question for you, how, exactly, do you know that Chicago is "next in line" after San Francisco and Vancouver?

A few facts, a few years back Qantas had planned to offer ORD as a tag to one of its Los Angeles flights, if memory serves correct that destination was Melbourne. Another is that a few months ago on a SIN-LHR flight the Flight Attendant had remarked at how the new direction of Qantas was to seek out the highest business markets of Chicago, San Francisco, and Vancouver.

In addition the discussion included a quick question about the AA-QF relationship.

She remarked that San Francisco would help to increase connection possibilites from Boston and Miami, along with a wealth of local traffic on SFO-SYD, SFO-YVR.

Vancouver, would be added as a tag to San Francisco, and would provide a cashpot of clients due to being one of the West Coasts strongest business and leisure markets.

Chicago, would prove more than valuable as a springboard for traffic to Western Europe. Such as the case with Iberia, and Aer Lingus, and many more One World partners with their daily flights to O'Hare, and connecting traffic to Sydney. Keep in mind that One World has a "true hub" only at ORD and JFK in North America. As most of One World members serve JFK, LAX, and ORD, with the exception of LA, JJ, MU, and CX who do not serve ORD. And MU who does not serve JFK.

Dallas sadly is nowhere on that radar screen!

Remember, at that time Qantas had not "officialy" announced SFO-SYD, SFO-YVR.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 25):
DFW would be a better market than Chicago because, while it most likely would not generate as much O&D demand, it offers far more connections, to far more cities.

Dallas, would seem to be a white elephant of sorts as of late. The new termanil created about as much "new" traffic as the Denver International Airport did. I should call you to remember that AA had a horrible time struggling with DFW-MAN, DFW-KIX. In addition AF decided to focus on IAH, at the cost of DFW. JL, also quickly left the DFW market. DFW if you also recall lost out once again when BA added a IAH-ORD-LHR service. And as usual DFW, is not at an advantage since IAH has true service to Heathrow. One should also point out the fact that Chicago has a much more robust O/D market than DFW for both business and leisure market. More so, you should keep in mind that AA chose ORD, not DFW to launch service to China.

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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
Dallas sadly is nowhere on that radar screen!

Yes, I see, some "facts" from a flight attendant. Remind me, Kahala, how -- exactly -- did the QF flights to ORD do? Oh yeah, that's right, now I remember, they never started!

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
The new termanil created about as much "new" traffic as the Denver International Airport did.

I wasn't talking about the new terminal, but as long as you are -- it's been open less than three months! In addition, I firmly believe that Terminal D will help attract new international service, but perhaps not too many new international airlines. AA will continue to expand its international presence at DFW as the market warrants, which is how it has been for years.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
I should call you to remember that AA had a horrible time struggling with DFW-MAN, DFW-KIX.

DFW-MAN struggled, and was dropped. DFW-KIX did just fine until 9/11 hit. The plane did great in both passenger and cargo loads and yields. 9/11 killed a huge cargo contract on the route, and depressed passenger demand, which led to its demise.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
In addition AF decided to focus on IAH, at the cost of DFW.

They left DFW because SN disappeared, and they needed that A340 for African routes, and Delta's hub pullout caused them to stay away. The flight did fairly well while it lasted. Just for the record -- JL served DFW over IAH, KE still does serve DFW over IAH, and LH and BA serve both.

But I'm not really here to argue about the strength of the D/FW market vis-a-vis other carriers: the strength of DFW is AA, and oneworld, which is why QF will succeed where others (AF) failed.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
JL, also quickly left the DFW market.

No they didn't. JL served DFW for several years, and the capacity that the DFW-NRT market lost when JL left was quickly replaced by AA's second flight.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
DFW if you also recall lost out once again when BA added a IAH-ORD-LHR service.

DFW didn't "lose out." DFW does just fine with four daily widebodies to London Gatwick, and Houston has far more demand for London because of the oil traffic to the North Sea.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
And as usual DFW, is not at an advantage since IAH has true service to Heathrow.

Yeah, right, "true" one-stop service via ORD.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
One should also point out the fact that Chicago has a much more robust O/D market than DFW for both business and leisure market.

Because, as we have both said, ORD is a bigger O&D market, and had a much higher chance of getting the route authority from DOT than DFW did.
 
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:33 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 22):
Also keep in mind that One World has very little connecting traffic in SFO.



Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
She remarked that San Francisco would help to increase connection possibilites from Boston and Miami, along with a wealth of local traffic on SFO-SYD, SFO-YVR.

you answered your own statement.....aside from HOU/LAS, AA flies to most of the majour airports in the United States from SFO........ORD,JFK,BOS,MIA,DFW, LAX,SAN, SEA(AS), etc.

I think AA should include those routes also...at least LAS.
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chinaeastern
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:13 pm

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 2):
AA is strong in ORD and LAX and both lack China connections. So even AA will implement routes to China from LAX and ORD before DFW.

THat's why AA is going to start ORD-PVG. For LAX, AA codeshares with MU on LAX-PVG

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 19):
When the hell will AA ask for something more useful like DFW/ORD/LAX-HKG?

If I want to go to PEK, I can connect on CX.

HKG would be good for connections to S.E. Asia, but again, why would people do AA/CX when they are given the choice of CX/CX?
For connection to PEK, the only advantage using AA/CX via HKG is baggage through, again why not AA/JL?
connection to PEK via HKG involves back tracking.
CX is useless in China, PEK 2xdaily + XMN 3xweekly is nothing, even JL serves more destination in china than CX.
that's why AA want to serve PVG, from where numerous connections can be made throughout china and also to HKG.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 27):
As most of One World members serve JFK, LAX, and ORD, with the exception of LA, JJ, MU, and CX who do not serve ORD. And MU who does not serve JFK.

since when MU is in oneworld?
 
jakob77
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RE: AA: DFW-China Soon?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 3:34 pm

Quoting Bkkair (Reply 26):
If you've been to HKG, you've seen that AA has an very impressive operation. To the uninformed (non a.net'ers) you would think you were in an AA hub. Look at the flight information board and you see 30-40 AA flights a day out of HKG. (5 AA flights to BKK, 5 to NRT, TPE, MNL, SIN, etc) When you listen to the airport announcements "American Airlines 6812 to BKK is now boarding", "American Airlines 6832 to SIN is delayed", "AA 6983 to San Francisco boarding at Gate 2" etc. you'd think that AA has a huge presence, which it does.

FYI, AA does NOT codeshare on CX to TPE.

AA codeshares only on 2 NRT flights, 3 BKK flights, 2 SIN flights, 2 CGK flights, 2 KUL flights, 1 NGO flight, 1 PEN flight, 1 SUB flight, 1 DPS flight, and all the US flights plus Vancouver flight.

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