RJ100
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LH Plans For MUC?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 9:29 pm

Hi all

I heard that LH plans to double the longhaul fleet based in MUC in the next 3 to 4 years and that they also consider to fly A380s there.

What is the current size of LH in MUC? How many aircraft are based there? How many aircraft are longhaul aircraft? What is the airport's capacity?
In your opinion, what routes would make sense for LH out of MUC?

Is there a specific market that LH wants to feed through MUC (i.e. North-South, East-West etc.)?

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RJ100

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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:52 pm

Quoting RJ100 (Thread starter):
Is there a specific market that LH wants to feed through MUC (i.e. North-South, East-West etc.)?

Northern Italy is very important, with many destinations and high frequencies.

But feeding Asia traffic from western Europe/Germany is currently mainly done via FRA, and that´s where I see the big chance for MUC.
Let´s say you want to fly DUS-HKG, and LH flies this route via FRA and MUC.
Altough the flight via FRA would be about 160 kms shorter all in all, the DUS-FRA leg being just 188 kms long is a loss-maker for LH, so better do it via MUC.
(DUS-MUC is 478 kms.)

Quoting RJ100 (Thread starter):
What is the current size of LH in MUC?

Terminal 2 in MUC is, according to a report I´ve read some time ago, 70% filled, and since then the numbers should have gone up.
T2 has a capacity of 25 million pax/year, but also handles the flights of the other Star members +4U+DE+QR.

Quoting RJ100 (Thread starter):
In your opinion, what routes would make sense for LH out of MUC?

SIN, DEN, GRU, BOM, JNB, CAI and maybe MEX, GIG, CPT, NGO and KIX.

Quoting RJ100 (Thread starter):
How many aircraft are longhaul aircraft?

I believe 13 A343 and 3 A346, but I correct me if I´m wrong.
This winter 2 A333 are coming, but some A340 may go back to FRA.
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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sat Oct 08, 2005 11:05 pm

Quoting RJ100 (Thread starter):
In your opinion, what routes would make sense for LH out of MUC?

I hope that MUC - TLV will return. MUC, Being a major tourist destination for Israelis in all seasons (and with the raise of tourism here) , surely will be profitable for LH. In fact they dropped it only because of over-protective regulations for LY, but all that is changing now. I can easily see a daily LH A330 from MUC, together with LY (widebody on high seasons, 737NG otherwise).
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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 2):
Being a major tourist destination for Israelis in all seasons (and with the raise of tourism here)

+ many conecting destinations in the US.

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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 1):
Quoting RJ100 (Thread starter):
In your opinion, what routes would make sense for LH out of MUC?

SIN, DEN, GRU, BOM, JNB, CAI and maybe MEX, GIG, CPT, NGO and KIX.

Varig Charter is runing MUC-GIG non stop once a week during the next 5 months. If it`s succesfull, probably we can see LH with this route or even a MUC-GRU-GIG. Hope to see LH back on GIG.

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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
If it`s succesfull, probably we can see LH with this route or even a MUC-GRU-GIG. Hope to see LH back on GIG.

hope they will let RG first start the flight and then when the market is open to introduce a own flight.

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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 1):
SIN, DEN, GRU, BOM, JNB, CAI and maybe MEX, GIG, CPT, NGO and KIX.

Well, if LH would introduce all these new services from MUC, I would say that LH would then be bigger in MUC than in FRA. I just don't see how?FRA is roughly twice as big as MUC interms of pax. numbers, and why would LH try to expand so massively in MUC?I understand that FRA has slots problems, but not as much as LHR I would imagine and, they can manage to feed a lot more passengers through their airport(Using only 2 runways), so why not atleast keep the long haul aircraft in FRA, and let FRA have all the LH A380's when they come. I'm sure LH can still expand in FRA, sepecially in the european and domestic network, as well as the international network, rather than giving all the growth to MUC. And especially when the new "Nord-west bahn" should open in FRA will or should LH take that chance to massively expand in FRA, rather than giving their aircraft away to MUC. What do you people think?

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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:11 am

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 6):
Well, if LH would introduce all these new services from MUC,

because they have invest a lot of money at the Terminal 2.

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 6):
Well, if LH would introduce all these new services from MUC, I would say that LH would then be bigger in MUC than in FRA.

big but not really bigger than FRA. And they can still ad new destinations in FRA and grow in MUC with adding aditional flights to existing destinations from FRA.

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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:53 am

I think LH future plans for MUC are closely linked to the future of Swiss and Zurich airport, with a certain part of Zurich's activity being transfered into MUC (even though this activity has already considerably dimunished).

Does anyone has any information about that ?
 
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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting Blondie75 (Reply 8):
with a certain part of Zurich's activity being transfered into MUC

There are no indications that they plan to do so. But that doesn't mean that there are no such plans.
 
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RE: LH Plans For MUC?

Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:44 pm

Some very interesting answers here. Thanks.

I am sure that they will develop FRA and MUC. They have just got more room in FRA due to the US army leaving. So I bet they will expand there too!

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