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CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 5:19 am

Maybe I'm a little late to this party but I notice the nonstops to Memphis are gone. Seems to me that CO still doing the slow trim from CLE (MEM, BHM, XNA) without adding a darn thing. I really thought the 10 year lease would bring more. The runway investment really seems foolish to me.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 6:51 am

It seems as if pretty soon, CLE will simply be a CO focus city with EWR and IAH are their main hubs.

Wait a sec...it seems as if that's already the case.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:24 am

Evidently 260 flights doesn't cut it as a hub anymore? Back in the day 100+ was a grand lot! Come to Cleveland at 7AM and watch all the CO and BTA jets lined up and tell me it's not a hub.

BHM and XNA never got established so I wouldn't count that as "trimming." Loosing Orlando or SFO or something would be trimming. MEM is served by NW so they've got a skyteam partner on it... doesn't seem surprising. Give them time, there's still alot of ramp space taken up by construction.

[Edited 2005-10-09 01:24:34]
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:34 am

Look to the CO website for near weekly updates of new service from EWR and IAH though

Quoting Ncflyer (Thread starter):


1) Seems to me that CO still doing the slow trim from CLE (MEM, BHM, XNA) without adding a darn thing. 2) I really thought the 10 year lease would bring more. 3) The runway investment really seems foolish to me.

1) to name just a few...

2) Me too, even a lousy flight to SAN or something for longer than a couple times a week for a couple of months. Kinda like CLE had nearly 30 years ago by both AA and UA.

3) No question, it certainly does with CLE over a barrel compliments of CO. Now every airline shares the cost of this project primarily aimed at CO demands, wishes, and their B.S. about not being able to add any more flights until it was built, all the while trimming flights since 1999, long before 9/11.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 1):
It seems as if pretty soon, CLE will simply be a CO focus city with EWR and IAH are their main hubs.

Wait a sec...it seems as if that's already the case.

True, but an understatement!

HOPEFULLY WE DON'T READ MORE POSTS ABOUT THE FOLLOWING:

a) More rumours of new CLE service which never materialize. I'd prefer seeing CO CLE-MSY service restored in my lifetime as a start.

b) How fixing the aprons around a couple of gates is latest thing severely crampng the CO operation and or ludicrous expansion desires.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 9:00 am

Oh where to start, where to start?

Quoting Joeman (Reply 3):
a) More rumours of new CLE service which never materialize. I'd prefer seeing CO CLE-MSY service restored in my lifetime as a start.

CLE-MSY is served by RU, guess you can die happy now?

Quoting Joeman (Reply 3):
b) How fixing the aprons around a couple of gates is latest thing severely crampng the CO operation and or ludicrous expansion desires.

Believe it or not this does have a large impact on opperations. Not every gate is equipped to handle 757's or even Next Generation 737's due to the lines drawn on the pavement, the locations of the fuel pits etc. It's not necessarily limiting expansion of new mainline routes, but it does mean a rather large cost to the airline if they can't park the planes at the gate. This is especially true in times of irregular opperations (take a look at this past summer, some of the worst east coast ATC delays in recent history.)

If an aircraft is parked away from the gate, you need to have the APU running to provide bleed air. This means that you're using fuel and increasing your maintinance costs. If the APU is running you need to have a flight crew onboard at a very high cost to the airline. You also can't use your fuel pits so you need to get a tanker over to fuel the plane which can lead to delays and more costs.

Quoting Joeman (Reply 3):
3) No question, it certainly does with CLE over a barrel compliments of CO. Now every airline shares the cost of this project primarily aimed at CO demands, wishes, and their B.S. about not being able to add any more flights until it was built, all the while trimming flights since 1999, long before 9/11.

I don't know much about why the runway was extended but I do know that the largest project, recently, has been the installation ofthe SOIA/PRM system on the parellel runways. This system can increase arrivals by up to 5 per hour if I remember correctly. Seems like a small number to the layperson but this can have a huge effect on your ontime flight statistics at an airport like CLE which has large banks of XJT aircraft departing and arriving at once.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:00 am

CLE-MEM is served by Continental's codeshare partner, Northwest. There was probably excess capacity on that route.

I don't know about BHM and XNA, but I tend to think that BHM is well covered by Delta with connecting service.

CO regularly trims service at this time of the year... CLE has a lot of summer service or summer frequency increases.


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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 4):
CLE-MSY is served by RU, guess you can die happy now?

This route has been suspended and is not listed in CO current website timetable, but appears to be effective 2/16/06 according to Expedia, guess I can die happy.

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 4):
Believe it or not this does have a large impact on opperations. Not every gate is equipped to handle 757's or even Next Generation 737's due to the lines drawn on the pavement, the locations of the fuel pits etc. It's not necessarily limiting expansion of new mainline routes, but it does mean a rather large cost to the airline if they can't park the planes at the gate. This is especially true in times of irregular opperations (take a look at this past summer, some of the worst east coast ATC delays in recent history.)

I believe you. With mainline down to 40-50, the future remains to be seen once that project is completed.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:20 am

I think CO can get by just fine without CLE...IAH and EWR are the real money makers. CLE will go the way of CVG with severe cutbucks.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 1:08 pm

Quoting Joeman (Reply 3):
Look to the CO website for near weekly updates of new service from EWR and IAH though

You have to remember one thing right now: CLE is down 4 to 6 gates until at least the end of 2006 due to reconstruction of the apron around Concourse C. That takes a huge bite out of gatespace, and, quite frankly right now, there isn't anywhere to expand.

CO/COEX will have full gatespace either in late '06 or early '07 again. Right now, the apron construction has shut down gates C-24 thru 29, and construction still must be completed from C-1 through C-18 on the west side of C.

Right now, even if CO/COEX wanted to add flights, there just isn't the space, with that much gate space lost.

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 4):
CLE-MSY is served by RU, guess you can die happy now?

Actually, I think COEX quietly dumped it, at least through the first of the year. But again, that's not a biggie. As N766UA said, if they start getting rid of routes like LAX, PHX, DEN, MCO, then you can start talking.

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 7):
CLE will go the way of CVG with severe cutbucks.

Actually, after the apron construction is done, I wouldn't be surprised to see CO add service out of CLE, not cut it back.

And sorry, you can't fly an effective hub and spoke system without a viable midwest hub, I believe. CLE serves a vital role for CO ops, simply because of the restraints on EWR. If CO could, there'd be 800 flights out of EWR, but that just can't be done.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:19 pm

Quoting Joeman (Reply 3):
2) Me too, even a lousy flight to SAN or something for longer than a couple times a week for a couple of months. Kinda like CLE had nearly 30 years ago by both AA and UA.

What is the deal with SAN-CLE? There was a red-eye a few days a week for a while a couple of months ago, but it seems to have disappeared. I found it very convenient for connecting to the east coast, especially for BWI (which pretty much sucks going through EWR on a red-eye).
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Sun Oct 09, 2005 4:29 pm

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
Evidently 260 flights doesn't cut it as a hub anymore? Back in the day 100+ was a grand lot! Come to Cleveland at 7AM and watch all the CO and BTA jets lined up and tell me it's not a hub.

who is changing planes at 7am?!

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 7):
I think CO can get by just fine without CLE...IAH and EWR are the real money makers. CLE will go the way of CVG with severe cutbucks.

Delta at Cincinnati far surpasses Continental at Cleveland now as it is and will be.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:43 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 10):
who is changing planes at 7am?!

All of the Beeches come back from the outstations about that time as well as a good 40-50% of the RJs. Alot of people I reckon!
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:53 am

CLE is hardly in the midwest...just look at a map...if they wanted a midwest hub then go a little more west such as MCI or STL (not that those airports right now would be ideal anyway for a midwest hub). CLE is too close to EWR to have an effective midwest hub anyway.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 10):
who is changing planes at 7am?!

There are redeyes that do come in around 630am at times during the year. Those west coasters headed east, you know?

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 12):
CLE is hardly in the midwest...just look at a map...

CLE is a midwest hub. Just look at the map. Jeez.

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 12):
CLE is too close to EWR to have an effective midwest hub anyway.

Sure. That's why CLE has held hub status for 18 years now. It's considered a midwest hub.

Incredible.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:41 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 12):
CLE is hardly in the midwest...just look at a map...

Ohio is technically considered the Midwest.  Smile Granted Toledo/Dayton and westward resembles the Midwest more than Cleveland/Columbus and east.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:45 am

CLE is TOO close to EWR...look at the map. Jeez

CLE is NOT a money maker like EWR...CO can do very well without the CLE hub
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:49 am

Falcon74, I know you work for CO at CLE, and you always vigorously defend CO and particularly its operations at CLE, but I would really have to wonder, don't you guys feel like you're getting the short end of the stick?

It seems like every other week, CO is putting out a press release about new service from IAH or EWR (in recent months, EWR in particular), yet we never hear anything at all about CLE except for service cuts. EWR gets all of the cool new routes to Europe, and we meanwhile hear about how CLE-LGW, your sole Europe route, is struggling.

What's your (and other CO employees in CLE) take on this?
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:28 am

I have never been to CLE. How do the facilities compare to airports in the region?
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:33 am

compared to DTW...there is NO comparison..DTW wins by a landslide.
compared to CVG...CVG is much nicer.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:25 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 15):
CLE is TOO close to EWR...look at the map. Jeez

CLE is NOT a money maker like EWR...CO can do very well without the CLE hub

You're not making sense here. If CLE was not performing an important role, CO would have dumped it years ago. If CLE was not performing an important role, we wouldn't have an CLE-LGW flight.

Instead of posting pompous bluster (well, you are an attorney...) you should try looking at facts. With Bethune at the helm, Continental would not be wasting its time and energy investments in its CLE hub if it wasn't creating more revenue for the airline.

I know that you, being from IND, don't think of Ohio as the midwest, but the eastern U.S. does. Cutting 600 miles and a minimum of one hours' flight time, especially for regional flights, makes a huge difference in fuel savings. There os less fuel burn while circling and waiting for a landing slot, and somewhat quicker connection time at a smaller airport displaced from east coast congestion.


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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:39 am

Quoting Redngold (Reply 19):
If CLE was not performing an important role, CO would have dumped it years ago.



Quoting Redngold (Reply 19):
Instead of posting pompous bluster (well, you are an attorney...) you should try looking at facts. With Bethune at the helm, Continental would not be wasting its time and energy investments in its CLE hub if it wasn't creating more revenue for the airline.

Wow, if I didn't know any better I would have thought you were describing AA and STL instead of CO and CLE. It's absolutely amazing since some of these "armchair airline geniuses" here at A-Net seem to think that airlines can't make money in places like CLE and STL by operating mini-hubs which serve a niche market, by focusing more on O&D passengers and if they can fill a few empty seats with connecting passengers, then so be it...

Good post sir..
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:59 am

I second that, very good post Redngold.

To respond to BHM...

Although CO does serve a large amount of the O&D at CLE, I think people would be surprised by the number of connecting passengers that come through the airport as well. For some of the smaller midwest cities, CLE is the only connection option. Also, for the sake of argument let's say you're a frequent CO traveler looking to fly LAX-BUF. Why would you route yourself LAX-EWR-BUF when you could bypass the craziness that is any major airline hub and connect in CLE instead? CLE is a more direct stop and also has a much better ontime performance than most major hubs. I guess I'm speaking more to 7E72004 here when I say that, yes, IAH and EWR get the "more interesting" international routes, but CLE still serves a vital purpose in the CO route structure. And CLE is very much a midwest city, I'll trust the atlas over you.

[Edited 2005-10-09 23:59:54]
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 20):
Wow, if I didn't know any better I would have thought you were describing AA and STL instead of CO and CLE. It's absolutely amazing since some of these "armchair airline geniuses" here at A-Net seem to think that airlines can't make money in places like CLE and STL by operating mini-hubs which serve a niche market, by focusing more on O&D passengers and if they can fill a few empty seats with connecting passengers, then so be it...

Good post sir..

Very Good post.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:15 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 15):
CLE is TOO close to EWR...look at the map. Jeez

Kinda like PHL and CLT, MPS and DTW, ATL and CVG and then there's STL and ORD with similar carrier preference for the overcrowding places that transferring passangers complain about the most.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:18 am

When did CO dump CLE-XNA?? That route seems kinda wierd to me
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:27 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 15):
CLE is NOT a money maker like EWR...CO can do very well without the CLE hub

It was once CO's most profitable hub according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer during their poorer reputation days. Most CLE people still think of CO as the ultimate loyal carrier to CLE. CLE must be responsible for any profitability nosedives despite CO's less than consistent service patterns.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:00 am

Ok...i admit i may have gone overboard in my CLE analysis  Smile and please accept my apologiies...the last time i was at CLE it just seemed to be a dump and not a fun airport to connect thru so i am a little biased against that airport...please accept my apologies if i got under anyone's skin  Smile
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:05 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 26):
.the last time i was at CLE it just seemed to be a dump and not a fun airport to connect thru so i am a little biased against that airport...

When compared to modern, state-of-the-art facilities funded by less fiscally conservative airlines (many of which are now in Ch. 11) and better managed airport authorities, I'd have to agree with you. However, CLE has seen some major improvements in the last five years, and Concourse D (I believe it opened seven or eight years ago) is stunningly different from the main terminal.

Last time I was at the airport (five months ago) they had finally replaced the old, worn carpet with fresh new tile and carpet. There was a new paint job in a lot of places. The new carpet and paint made the facility feel a lot more airy and comfortable.

I hope you can come through again, soon, and see the difference that new management and better funding have made. In fact, with ongoing ramp improvements, you might even connect to a heavy-jet flight!


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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:08 am

the last time i was there was a few years ago...i think about 3 or 4...i did like the D terminal/concourse but thought to myself that the C concourse needed a little bit of work. It is a short hop from IND.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:34 am

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 16):
Falcon74, I know you work for CO at CLE, and you always vigorously defend CO and particularly its operations at CLE, but I would really have to wonder, don't you guys feel like you're getting the short end of the stick?

Let's put it this way Cory: there's being over-the-rainbow naive, and there's being realistic.

Cleveland is third in the pecking order at CO. That's a FACT. IAH and EWR are the international gateways for CO, and they get the first pick of everything. Cleveland gets the last. If we had an overabundance of aircraft like DL does, let's say, you'd see a lot more flights in CLE. But for what CO needs, CLE fills the bill: a smaller midwest hub that takes pressure off of EWR, and provides easy connections for those in the midwest.

It's be nice if we had 400 flights a day, with a bunch of widebodies and international flights, but that makes no sense, considering our other two hubs are so strategically located for International service.

That's the reality, and while some in CLE don't and never can accept that, that's the way it is. It doesn't mean, as some of the armchair QB's on here like to say, that CLE has no use for CO. It obviously does.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 16):
It seems like every other week, CO is putting out a press release about new service from IAH or EWR (in recent months, EWR in particular), yet we never hear anything at all about CLE except for service cuts.

International is most of the service increases, and, again, internationals is wher the money is made, so EWR and IAH will get first dibs. Plus, as has been mentioned, CO is down around 4 to 5 gates at a time from now till the end of '06-5 gates that could handle up to 8 or 9 flights a day. Add those numbers up, and CLE just doesn't have any room for any new service right now. It's a tight fit right now with what we have.

Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 20):
Good post sir..

Uh, Redngold is a she, my friend.  Smile

Quoting OptionsCLE (Reply 21):
I think people would be surprised by the number of connecting passengers that come through the airport as well.

If there weren't a lot of connecting customers, I wouldn't hold the off-the-floor position I currently hold, so I can attest to that.  Smile
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:46 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
Uh, Redngold is a she, my friend.

Uhhh, pardon my sexist assumption...

Good post, Ma'am... Wink
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:51 am

I find it interesting that CO serves both MDW and ORD using RJ service. You would think there would be enough demand from a "hub" or "focus" city for mainline service. The WN and UA flights for the most part seem to have high load factors.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:36 pm

Quoting Uaord (Reply 31):
The WN and UA flights for the most part seem to have high load factors.

And that's a big reason CO flies RJs there. Between Eagle, United (737s, 757s, etc.) and WN, there's not a whole lot left to Chicago.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:02 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
CO is down around 4 to 5 gates at a time from now till the end of '06

I thought this was just another excuse for no service improvements until I saw the extent of the "ramp work" while flying in and out over Labor Day weekend. My flight from DCA had to use the Beech side of Concourse D because the ERJ side was so congested with what C and D traffic was able to thread that needle.

While only 4 or 5 gates are totally closed, the work appears to increase all the taxi times for the C and D gates that face each other.

I bet CAL-CLE can't wait for that particular piece of ramp work to be finished. Working the west side of C can't be as disruptive as gates 24-29.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:04 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 24):
When did CO dump CLE-XNA?? That route seems kinda wierd to me

XNA is a very high yield city due to no LCC's and Wal-Mart headquarters being there. There are a lot of last minute/walk-up fares.
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:50 pm

Quoting Redngold (Reply 5):
I don't know about BHM

BHM has service from MSP and DTW via NW . . . several flights a day. Until recently NW had DC-9s in BHM . . . I believe (without checking) it's all RJs now.
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:37 pm

i remember when co announced the cle-bhm route because bhm-ewr was doing so well, they wanted bypass feeder traffic off the ewr a/c, and that way, connecting pax would feed through cle, but it seems the route never started. true?
 
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RE: CO Trims A Little More In CLE

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:13 am

CLE-XNA never really did well, CLE-BHM didnt either..Falcon is right I think once the costruction is done CLE will see more flights..I've also heard that NW will move there operation to the A concourse giving CO gates C4,C6,C8 and C-10..This is suppposed to happen when HP and US consolidate there Ops.
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