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Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:13 am

What's the latest news on the Bombardier C-Series aircraft?

I know that Bombardier created a mock-up at the Paris Airshow in June, did it receive any orders from the Paris airshow?

Has it received any orders at all yet?

When will it go into service?

When will the first flying prototype be in the air?

Are they to be made alongside the CRJ's?

Who are possible costumers for the C110 and C130?

Looks like a great a/c!

http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?...lang=en&file=/en/3_0/3_8/3_8_1.jsp

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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:45 am

Don't know about customers and/or orders.
Saw a week ago the first published flight deck picture in Air&Cosmos.
It looks as if the Airbus concept is taking as the CSeries will have :
-Electrical flight controls with flight enveloppe protection
-Side sticks
-EFB.
The fight between Embraer and Bombardier for regional jets seems to be heating up quite a bit.

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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:42 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 1):
It looks as if the Airbus concept is taking as the CSeries will have :
-Electrical flight controls with flight enveloppe protection
-Side sticks
-EFB.

You forgot the European government subsidies.
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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:33 am

How realistic is it to put the CFM56-7 on the C-Series, the lowest rating ones that power the 736 and 73G? They are pretty economical, aren't they?

Not many other options to choose from, it seems...
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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:01 am

Quoting N908AW (Reply 2):
You forgot the European government subsidies.

Sorry, I deal with technicalities and ignore -or generally tend to- imbecilistic comments.
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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:09 am

Quoting Pihero (Reply 4):
Sorry, I deal with technicalities and ignore -or generally tend to- imbecilistic comments.

Sorry, was being rather sarcastic/imbecilic. The CSeries is a cool plane.
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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:38 am

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 3):
How realistic is it to put the CFM56-7 on the C-Series, the lowest rating ones that power the 736 and 73G? They are pretty economical, aren't they?

Not many other options to choose from, it seems...

The C-Series needs a *much* more economical engine than the CFM56 in order to compete in their niche. Pratt is offering to develop a "clean sheet" new design. GE refused (but can always reconsider). RR is probably too busy with the Trent 1000, 1700, etc. to try a clean sheet design. (And a ~24 to 27k engine would be too small for a tripple spool).

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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:49 pm

The latest doesn't look too rosy, according to Richard Aboulafia, one of the top aviation consultants in the US, in the following article in the September issue of Aerospace America, entitled "Canada Faces CSeries Crisis".

http://www.aiaa.org/aerospace/images...articleimages/pdf/AA_Sept05_II.pdf
 
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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 6):
The C-Series needs a *much* more economical engine than the CFM56 in order to compete in their niche. Pratt is offering to develop a "clean sheet" new design. GE refused (but can always reconsider). RR is probably too busy with the Trent 1000, 1700, etc. to try a clean sheet design. (And a ~24 to 27k engine would be too small for a tripple spool).

Sure, an economical plane needs an economical engine.. But it should not rely only on the engine in order to achieve fuel burn reduction... After all, any engine can be bought by any manufacturer.. If the C-Series is economical due to its engine primarily, any other aircraft can be, unless using the engine involves some kind of major design change (ie, engine mounting, bleed(less) systems, etc..).


Complementing: I heard from privileged sources that the engines are not the only problem to be solved for the C Series, supplier-wise. If I remember correctly, an announcement will be made this month about the project. Let's just wait and see...

PS: I'd love to see another Bombardier in the air. The C Series is beautiful and competition is ALWAYS good.. although I'm not sure the C Series has its niche.
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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:13 am

It looks like an Embraer 170/5 with the RJ7 winglets....
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RE: Latest On The Bombardier C-Series?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting ACgSpotman (Reply 9):
It looks like an Embraer 170/5 with the RJ7 winglets....

Except of course that it is wider. The Cseries will have 2-3 seating as opposed to the 2-2 of the Embraers. I am also excited about this plane, i just hope they aren't too late.
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