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ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:50 am

I'd be interested in people's thoughts on the ERJ as flown by Continental, and the CRJ as flown by Delta and NWA. Granted, the ERJ is made in Brazil, the CRJ is Canadian. Personally, I prefer the ERJ (the A side naturally), but I'd be interested in other people's thoughts and opinions.

Also, I'd be interested in statistical comparisons: speed, distance, capacity both passenger and weight, etc.

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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:03 am

Are you talking about the crj 200, and erj 145? Or the Crj 440 and erj 140, or 135, or 135xr. Or Crj 700 and emb 170 or Crj 900 and emb 190? Which ones are you referring to?
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:13 am

Nwafflyer,
Being a true Canadian (eh!) drunk  , I will always stick with our finest (Bombardier)! However, I do not mind the ERJ's at all. AC just received 7 new Embraer 175's who look pretty cool.
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:21 am

I believe that NWA and Delta fly the CRJ 200, and Continental the ERJ145 - those are the planes that I am comparing
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:33 am

The CRJ is a little heavier, yet it burns a little less fuel than the ERJ.

For sex appeal I would give it to the CRJ - winglets, shiny engine cowlings, sleek cockpit windows.

I have heard that the ERJ has trouble with snow/ice. The CRJ might work better there.

Some people love the ERJ seating 1-2 but I much prefer the CRJ, all things considered.
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:34 am

Personally I prefer the crj product. The cabin is larger and I like 2+2 seating.
The erj is not as good looking especially when looking at the nose section from the outside.
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:53 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 4):
The CRJ is a little heavier, yet it burns a little less fuel than the ERJ.

The following link might be of interest:

http://www.aviaglobal.com/displayANe...Id=8763&tfCountryId=All&tfTopicId=

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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:34 am

Personally, I think the Crj is cramped. I also like aircraft that jump off the runway like the erj. The Erj is also a camp at landings, or so pilots have told me. Based on rides on each aircraft I think the erj is a better ride. ( And that roar of the reverse is great too)
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:36 am

The ERJ is better because it is flown by Continental Express Jet.
Also the windows are the right eye level to look out. Not like the CRJ-200 series.
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:37 pm

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 7):
Personally, I think the Crj is cramped

Ding. Although an ERJ is cramped on the B/C or E/F (whatever they call the right side) as well.

Quoting BNE (Reply 8):
The ERJ is better because it is flown by Continental Express Jet.

EXACTLY!!!!!! NW's Jet-Airlink carriers are the pits for the most part compared to ExpressJet, who ranks right up with AWAC (and surpasses them only for ERJ's over CRJ's) in the market of regionals.

Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 7):
I also like aircraft that jump off the runway like the erj

Yeah. CRJ performance off the runway is somewhat disconcerting. They don't even seem to have the acceleration on their takeoff roll of all other jets. Likewise, being pointed nose down the whole approach, and then practically landing "flat footed" after the excuse for a flare in a CRJ, is also a bit of an uncomfortable feeling. An ERJ can get above weather the same as a mainline jet as well (easily up to FL370, even when relatively full), where a CRJ struggles to break into the RVSM airspace... and is well known for being a dog to climb once reaching the actual FL's. I never feel fully comforted in the plane's performance characteristics when in a CRJ... like I feel in a B1900 or something, but in an ERJ I feel the same as I would in a 737 or any other mainline jet. The CRJ-700 is a whole different ball game though, as they jump off the runway as if its a springboard.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 4):
For sex appeal I would give it to the CRJ - winglets, shiny engine cowlings, sleek cockpit windows.

ERJ-145XR's have the winglets... and have the performance to walk-the-walk as well. The CRJ can just talk-the-talk.
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:51 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
Yeah. CRJ performance off the runway is somewhat disconcerting. They don't even seem to have the acceleration on their takeoff roll of all other jets. Likewise, being pointed nose down the whole approach, and then practically landing "flat footed" after the excuse for a flare in a CRJ, is also a bit of an uncomfortable feeling. An ERJ can get above weather the same as a mainline jet as well (easily up to FL370, even when relatively full), where a CRJ struggles to break into the RVSM airspace... and is well known for being a dog to climb once reaching the actual FL's. I never feel fully comforted in the plane's performance characteristics when in a CRJ... like I feel in a B1900 or something, but in an ERJ I feel the same as I would in a 737 or any other mainline jet. The CRJ-700 is a whole different ball game though, as they jump off the runway as if its a springboard.

As far as i know, the Erj can be at MTOW and go straight up to cruise.

And I couldnt tell we were nose down on the crj approach. I did see a comair Crj land on the nosewheel once. He floated way too long and the pilot seemd to force the plane down.

Any pilots want to comment on the flying difficulty of either aircraft? It seems that CRJ pilots dog the Erj and vise versa.
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:24 pm

I don't have anything against the CRJ. I haven't flown the CRJ so I can't make a totally accurate comparison. I like the privacy of the A side, and I like the windows better on the ERJ, but I think they're equally comfortable. I have heard that some people think there's more wind noise on the ERJ. I think that was worse on the airstairs-equipped ERJs, but I will admit there's a fair amount of wind noise inside. I do personally think the ERJ's sleek fuselage makes it look sexier, but everyone always thinks their own aircraft is the best-looking one on the ramp.

Houston Center makes fun of the ERJ's climb rate, but they're comparing it to Continental's Boeings. I've never had a problem climbing to altitude or getting up to FL370. When we do climb slow, it's usually an operational choice so that we can put some distance below us in the climb. When asked to expedite the climb, the ERJs can produce a decent climb rate. It's not going to climb like a 757, but it does ok. The 135s in particular really jump off the runway. In cruise flight on the XRJs we have to pull the throttles back so we don't overspeed the limitations. The aircraft would be more than happy to speed past M.80 if we let it. From what I've heard, the ERJ is very fuel-efficient compared to other RJs.

As for landing.....that can be fun. When you start talking landings with ERJ pilots everyone has their own techniques and tips. You'll hear one captain with tons of experience on the jet advise you that this is the best way to land the airplane and then another captain with equally impressive time will tell you to do the exact opposite. It's not extremely difficult, but it keeps you on your toes during landing. The ERJ does have a tendency to float with a few knots extra speed, or slam down if the speed bleeds off too quickly. Once the mains are down, the job is only half over. The yoke has to be handled pretty aggressively to keep the nose from slamming down. Or, in the words of ERJ pilots: "You have to land it twice." On the plus side, if all the conditions are right, it is capable of producing a remarkably smooth landing. I'm kind of glad that it can be challenging to land. It's more fun and it gives a great sense of satisfaction when you grease one on.

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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:36 pm

I personally find the ERJ-145s to be more comfortable and seem not as cramped as the CRJs, but maybe it just depends on the airline. I usually only fly the ERJ with CO, and CRJ with UA. Plus I love the 1 - 2 seating as compared to 2 - 2..  Smile
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:39 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
An ERJ can get above weather the same as a mainline jet as well

So can the CRJ.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
where a CRJ struggles to break into the RVSM airspace... and is well known for being a dog to climb once reaching the actual FL's.

Not true. CRJ's can cruise up there with the rest of them—even fully loaded.
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:17 pm

Have flown the CRJ quite a bit (AC and ACA [now indy]) and and the ERJ just once (with CO - I think it was ExpressJet). I had always wanted to fly the ERJ, due to its sexiness from the outside.

Can't tell you about the tech specs or comparisons, but for some reason, found the non-centred aisle on the ERJ to be weird. I sat at a very comfortable exit row A seat, but walking to it and seeing the over B and C only bins was very unusual. The cabin also looked longer than the CRJ. The CRJ has 2x2 seating, which is somewhat comfortable, depending on where you sit, but is quite similar to DHCs.

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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:38 pm

I have always preferred the ERJ - solely from a passenger perspective in that the cabin is narrower and therefore, the "A" side is always a single seat.

That said, I experienced my first CRJ700 ride yesterday on UA Express, DEN-BHM. I will be the first to admit an excellent ride, no engine noise, but plenty loud regardless, and UA has "F" class on some of these birds which is always nice.

One thing I did notice - seats in row 1 don't line up with the windows - at all. Sitting in 1A, there is a blank panel immediately aligned with the seat. In order to peer out I had lean forward - a lot. Not that it mattered yesterday since I was beat from the red-eye flight ANC-DEN the night before.

I'm still an ERJ type passenger, but there is definitely something to be said for the CRJ700!!!
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:03 am

I'd rather fly on a SF-340 or an ATR than a CRJ-100/200. The pax windows were afterthought and the cabin is cramped and claustrophobic in the CRJ-100/200.

I'd take an ERJ-135/ -140/ -145 over a CRJ-100/200 any time.
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:18 am

I absolutely hate CRJ-100/200s they are the most uncomfortable planes I've ever been on. The ERJ145/135/XRs are far superior aircraft in terms of passenger comfort. Apparently the other models of the CRJ (save for the -900) are much better-I'll have to take their word for it. ERJs for me only.
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:23 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 4):
The CRJ is a little heavier, yet it burns a little less fuel than the ERJ.

??? I work with an ex-Allison engineer who is very proud that the ERJ-145, in back to back testing for CO, burned less fuel than the CRJ-200. Recall that CO made the two manufacturers do a "fly off" for their contract.

I do seem to be the sole a.nutter who likes the CRJ-900. Alas, I haven't tried the E-jets, but my non-enthusiast friends who have love it! Sigh, I understand why the east coast is a more ideal market for the E-jets... But I still wish for more of them out west.

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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:25 am

ERJ-145 versus CRJ-200, ERJ wins hands down for pax comfort. You're not all crammed in with a midget window, for one. ERJ windows are huge. CRJ-700 versus ERJ... CR7 probably wins on longer flights. As for underwing, I've only ever worked CRJs and I love those bins... especially compared to a mad dog!
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:35 am

Here is my $.02. . .

Having only flown in a CRJ 700 I cannot compare ride quality, noise, or comfort.

However, having a pair of eyes and subjective opinion I have to say that the CRJ's are far better looking. As Supa7E7 said, winglets, shiny engine cowlings, and sleek flight deck windows gets me every time. In fact, I think the CRJ is the best looking twin engine T-tail design ever flow.
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:37 am

I have to go with ERJ as well, I hate having to bend over to look out the window on the CRJ, I always end up with a sore neck. In addition to the window, I don't like how the fuselage of the CRJ curves around to cramp the floor space of the plane. ERJ, is longer too, I like the stretch vs. the cramped width.
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:43 am

I prefer the B seat on the ERJ, as it has the most shoulder and foot room and you can put your bag under the seat.

I've only been on the CRJ once, in the B seat, and found it very, very cramped. ERJ seat width feels wider.

And for those who think the ERJ is longer inside than the CRJ (of same capacity), well, duh on that one. The ERJ cabin is 33% longer being a 1-2 vs. a 2-2 aircraft (not counting galley, lav space).
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:20 am

I had an occasion this year to make a trip where I flew on the ERJ outbound and the CRJ inbound. Since I had never been on either, I was looking forward to the experience and to making a direct comparison.

Impressions:

1. The looks of the airplanes are very subjective, but in my opinion the ERJ is very, very sexy with the long slender fuselage and aggressive looking wide-stance landing gear. The ERJ looks cool. The CRJ is short and squat with a narrow low main gear, and reminds me of a penguin. Its nose is shaped like a bullet, but I like the cockpit windows; reminds me of the Mosquito.
2. Both airplanes where very comfortable and I liked the seats in both. I did like the idea of getting a single aisle seat with a nice view in the ERJ.
3. The ride was excellent in both, better than I expected, but I'd have to give a small nod to the CRJ, which was totally smooth and stable throughout flight. There was a little lateral wobble on climbout from DFW in the ERJ but otherwise it was also superb. I was able to talk to the pilot after the ERJ flight and he told me that he had to be careful on the landing with runway alignment, because if he had to input too much bank that the aircraft would really sink, and he'd have to go around.
4. Cockpits: I LOVE the ERJ cockpit, especially the rams horn yoke.

Overall I was hugely impressed with both airplanes, and I would have to say I preferred flying as a passenger in both to any of the larger jetliners (737 and larger) except for first class seating.
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:32 am

I've also noticed the ERJ wobble, and of course, the ERJs turn into ovens sitting on the ground during pax loading and unloading in hot climates, as the AC is not adequate.  Sad
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:51 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 24):
the ERJs turn into ovens sitting on the ground during pax loading and unloading in hot climates, as the AC is not adequate

If the ERJ is hot on the ground, it's most likely because there was no ground air at the airport and the pilots waited until the passengers started boarding to start up the APU. In my experience, the A/C really works quite well. I've had it spit ice at me at low altitude in Texas in the middle of the summer.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 24):
I've also noticed the ERJ wobble

Yep, it does do this every now and then. It's an annoying aerodynamic quark that happens occasionally in cruise flight. It's very subtle, and it only happens sometimes. Frankly, when it pops up it's normally too slight to even notice in the back. Sometimes it can be fixed by kicking off the autopilot and yaw damper and then re-engaging them.

Although I obviously prefer the ERJ, the CRJ does have a few other advantages. I believe the wing is closer to the ground on the CRJs, which would be safer in case of evacuation. Although this is a relatively minor point, the ERJ systems manuals are translated into English and they sometimes are worded a bit strangely.
 
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RE: ERJ/CRJ A Comparison

Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:56 am

The older ERJ's are pitifully weight restricted. The old 145ER's (now EP's) are typically weight restricted to 45 passengers. At least embraer fixed the problem on the LR's and XR's.