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Indian Airlines' Profitability & Nite Flts In Indi

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:39 pm

Indian Airlines is obviously the primary domestic airline in India. It also flies international routes, i.e. to the Middle East and to South-East Asia. But is the airline, particularly its domestic arm, profitable?

Is the transportation of cargo (be it mail or whatever else) an important consideration for Indian Airlines?

Would night flights, at a good price, be popular? You do, of course, have many overnight train and coach services throughout the country. I realise that there are some night flights, for instance by AI and Spicejet, but not that many. Could this, in your opinion, be developed?
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:45 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
But is the airline, particularly its domestic arm, profitable?

They were for long in debth (having a government mandate to serve remote areas in the North East Inter Alia). But if I am not mistaken, they are profitable now.

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Would night flights, at a good price, be popular? You do, of course, have many overnight train and coach services throughout the country. I realise that there are some night flights, for instance by AI and Spicejet, but not that many. Could this, in your opinion, be developed?

Cheap fares are always popular. AI's night flights are cheap and popular, too, same with 9W. IC is very innovative with new schemes, their management beats AI by miles

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Is the transportation of cargo (be it mail or whatever else) an important consideration for Indian Airlines?

Nagpur will be the new Cargo Hub. The CD 732s yet tb converted to frighters. IC is earmarking the cargo market

Hope this helps, Mr. Gin Tonic  Silly
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:48 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 1):
Mr. Gin Tonic

Gin and tonic? I've only ever had one sip - it was from my mate Nit's glass (his parents come from Bangalore) - and didn't like it.

What about cargo on regular passenger flights?
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:57 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
Gin and tonic? I've only ever had one sip

So you won't sing "God save the queen then, if them Majesty boards an IC flight?" Big grin
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:00 pm

So you reckon it'd be fine, in theory, for IC to operate regular night flights on a variety of routes in order to increase still further its aircraft and staff utilisation? It would also, of course, offer its all-important customers even more choice, flexibility and convenience. Do you think they would be unpopular if they were priced about the same as day flights? Do you think people would be very price-sensitive on such flights?
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 1):
I am not mistaken, they are profitable now

u r not mistaken, they are profitable...

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 1):
their management beats AI by miles

currently looking for a new CMD...

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 1):
Hope this helps

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Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:14 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Do you think they would be unpopular if they were priced about the same as day flights? Do you think people would be very price-sensitive on such flights?

I think they would be unpopular if they are as expansive.

India is a very price-sensitive market (many newbies flying - if trains remain much cheaper, they will win the race).. hence perfect competition works
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:16 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
Mr. Vodka & RedBull..

Don't say this in presence of Pe@rson.. he still believes that I am a nice and harmless young guy and respects me more than his own parents and his gf (or fb? Big grin )  Wink
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:17 pm

So I wonder whether, after considering the probable low prices, the increased staff and aircraft utilisation would be offset by the lack of income from the overnight services. Hmm.
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:19 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 7):
Don't say this in presence of Pe@rson.. he still believes that I am a nice and harmless young guy and respects me more than his own parents and his gf (or fb? )

*Cough, cough* Am single now - having split up from my girlfriend.

Anyway, I don't actually drink much at all now - one or two pints every week or two.  Smile
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Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:20 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 1):
Nagpur will be the new Cargo Hub. The CD 732s yet tb converted to frighters. IC is earmarking the cargo market

To compete with the King of Cargo in India  Smile

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 5):
RedBull..

Hows Redbull.A pilot recommended it,says it helps keep awake.Is it true.
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:05 am

Just be careful however with making assumptions about late night Indian flying. Much of it currently exist as a result of providing feed/connections to international services that operate during the night hours.
On there own, the late night services do not appeal to locals near as much as the regularly timed daytime flights.
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:07 am

On there own, the late night services do not appeal to locals near as much as the regularly timed daytime flights.

*******

Sorry to correct you - the night flights do appeal to locals - esp those who do not have the luxury of flying Non Rev or on company business expense. Remember that flying is still a luxury denied to 99.999 of the indian population (should i add a few more nines as well?)

And this hasnt changed over the years either!

As for Cargo -the IC 320s do uplift a lot of cargo as they have enough belly space to spare (even with the 30 kg standard allowance in economy- a luxury very few airlines gives nowadays).
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:24 am

One of the good things earlier NDA govt did was to fund Indian Airlines flights to North East via North East Development program. Other smart move was buying ATRs for North Eastern routes and stationing them at Kolkata. A320s, 737s were flying with 20-30% load factors on those routes, but I hear ATRs are working out great. Arun Shourie who was also minister of North East Development was instrumental in this change and that helped IC to use A320s and Alliance Air planes somewhere else and stop bleeing on those routes.

Are these routes still mandatory for private carriers? I remember Sahara chief crying 2-3 years back on how he has to fly 737 to North Eastern routes with only 5-6 passengers. Wonder how is Deccan doing on Aizawl/Dibrugarh routes - army traffic?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:33 am

Quoting Gamps (Reply 13):
Are these routes still mandatory for private carriers?

Yup private carriers still have to fullfill their quota. Jet, Sahara and Deccan still fly those routes, Kingfisher doesnt have to because they have a tie up with IC.
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting TKMCE (Reply 12):
Sorry to correct you - the night flights do appeal to locals - esp those who do not have the luxury of flying Non Rev or on company business expense. Remember that flying is still a luxury denied to 99.999 of the indian population (should i add a few more nines as well?)

I fully agree. I know so many people in my neighborhood who travelled from DEL-BOM with their entire family with AI's nightfares, because they were so much cheaper than all other regular flights. Even a Rs. 200 difference DOES make a significant difference. So even I did not understand the comment that the night fares do not appeal to locals. Rather, I did notify a lot of flexibility from the peoples' side if the fares are cheap.. same with the "Deccan philosophy" that people are realy to spend smal amounts Rs. 10 (and not GBP 5, as with Pe@rsons lovely FR Big grin ) for some chaat or Haldirams Masala
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:41 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
What about cargo on regular passenger flights?

All scheduled flights do carry cargo, subject to capacity. I know all the local courier companies (except Blue Dart) often use the cargo capacity of scheduled flights, and often have their bags offloaded if the aircraft is already at capacity (just had a letter to DEL getting delayed via AFL/Wiz as IC offloaded their bags on Friday night due to lack of capacity).
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:09 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Hows Redbull.A pilot recommended it,says it helps keep awake.Is it true

They claim it send the energy levels up.. but personally I dont like the taste. You can ask subin.... he was gulping down vodkas with the bulls...  Wink and then danced all night.... so I guess it brings in the energy....
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:15 pm

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 17):
You can ask subin.... he was gulping down vodkas with the bulls... and then danced all night.... so I guess it brings in the energy....

How come I don't remember this? Big grin

Careful with these comments  Wink - otherwise certain people here an anet draw up conclusions and "intentional lies" (like another member did) and say that they saw pics of me drunk at that and that location..
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:23 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 18):
Quoting AirIndia (Reply 17):
You can ask subin.... he was gulping down vodkas with the bulls... and then danced all night.... so I guess it brings in the energy....

How come I don't remember


Damn It even affects the Memory  Smile
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:26 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 18):
otherwise certain people here an anet draw up conclusions and "intentional lies" (like another member did) and say that they saw pics of me drunk at that and that location..

Oops - I guess this refers to me. Yes - I am guilty of posting a conclusion about your being drunk at JNU - I guess I was mixing up a couple of images - one was your holi picture (where you seemed very happy/drunk), and some message about spotting at JNU/celebrating at JNU - hence I now realize I must have put these 2 together - apologies.
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