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My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:07 pm

So can someone explain to me why my ipod harms the takeoff of an airplane...i am not attempting to say that my ipod does NOT harm the take off, all i am saying is that if my ipod does, do i really wanta fly anymore???

This all stemed from a recent flight from RDU-STL via CLT...on the RDU-CLT i had my ipod in my hands and it was off...i did have my headphones on but it was off. in any case before take off they said to power down all devices.. as the FA walked through the cabin he said to me "sir thats supposed to be off, please trun off your ipod" i said "it is off" "he said can i see it" so i showed it to him and then closed my eyes for a quick nap...

why did he make such a big deal out of it anyway? i mean i did say it was off, why not trust me? and secondly what is the harm even if it was on?

thanks and sorry for the backlash i might get from asking such a simple quest.?

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:09 pm

Quoting Fbm3rd (Thread starter):
what is the harm even if it was on?

According to FAA and airline policy/law it could interfere with you hearing crewmember instruction if an emergency should happen after take-off.
 
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:13 pm

Quoting UAalltheway (Reply 1):
According to FAA and airline policy/law it could interfere with you hearing crewmember instruction if an emergency should happen after take-off.

ahhh.. i get it, as if whatever might have caused the emergency landing might not be loud as he*l in and of its self... (joking)
j/k- i was just unsure if it caused some type of mechanical problem. thanx
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:14 pm

Quoting UAalltheway (Reply 1):
According to FAA and airline policy/law it could interfere with you hearing crewmember instruction if an emergency should happen after take-off.

And laptops and such are prohibited along with cabin lights as it also says that your eyes will take 5-10 second to adjust to the dark/light if in a crash/evac..

Just a cool thing to think about,

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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:15 pm

I'm not much of a poster here on this board but I would like to chime in here: unfortunately some people ruin things for the rest of us and do not follow the rules. They'll say something is off yet it isn't. Hence asking you if they could see your iPod. That's the way things are in this society. Certain people act so irresponsibly that it ruins things for the public at large. I'm sure you had your iPod off but I'm sure that flight attendants have to check everything thoroughly. As far as how an iPod effects takeoff and landings, I'd like to find this out as well. My only theory is that some devices CAN cause interference with devices that the pilots need to fly the plane, so they don't take any chances and prohibit a wide range of devices.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:18 pm

Beacuse Airlines make money if you buy their headphones for their in flight "entertainment".

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:18 pm

Quoting Wr70beh (Reply 4):
They'll say something is off yet it isn't. Hence asking you if they could see your iPod. That's the way things are in this society

yeah i understand and it was off...but i'll be damned if they didnt have us board 45min late and then we sat on the plane for ages before rolling back, all along i am thinking "i could have dame-it drove to charlotte by now"..adn more reason for me to listen to some tunes.. thanks for the thoughtful post all..
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:21 pm

Quoting Aviation (Reply 5):
Beacuse Airlines make money if you buy their headphones for their in flight "entertainment".

 laughing 

i can see him now "turn off your ipod sir, if you want to have fun on this flight it'll cost ya"...what will the they of charging us for next?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:27 pm

Quoting Fbm3rd (Thread starter):
why did he make such a big deal out of it anyway? i mean i did say it was off, why not trust me?

As mentioned before, there was no way the F/A could have known this. I have seen people lie about this all the time.

Quoting Aviation (Reply 5):
Beacuse Airlines make money if you buy their headphones for their in flight "entertainment".

Huh? That isn't even relevant to this subject, especially since there was no IFE on this flight.

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 3):
And laptops and such are prohibited along with cabin lights as it also says that your eyes will take 5-10 second to adjust to the dark/light if in a crash/evac..

The lights actually depend on the airline. For instance, AA keeps the light on during take-off and landing. However, most airlines do not. Interestingly, if the airlines go against their specific policy, then they would be breaking the law.

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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:36 pm

Believe it or not, the magnetic fields generated by portable electronic devices can interfere with the avionics in airliners.

Don't get me wrong, you aren't going to cause the aircraft to instantly burst into flames by listening to Brittney Spears on your IPod, but you can interfere with VHF radio communication and navigation signals if you happen to be sitting in the right spot in the airplane. This effect is especially important under 10,000 ft, because below this altitude airliners may be utilizing VHF navigation signals. Above this altitude, FMS based navigation is employed (utilizing a GPS or inertial reference system).

I have personally witnessed the effects of cellphone signals on avionics. There is a very audible noise that transmits through the headsets in the cockpit when a telephone on board recieves a call in flight. Certain tests have shown that portable electronic devices can have a similiarly negative effect on the accuracy of VHF navigation signals.

Granted, aircraft manufactures should be imporving the avionics' resistance to this type of interference so hopefully someday soon it will be possible to use cellphones and other devices without potentially interfering with comm/nav signals.

Hope this helps to provide some justification for the rules.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:46 pm

One could also ask the question "Was it really a lot of effort for you to show the F/A your iPod?"
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:49 pm

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 9):
Don't get me wrong, you aren't going to cause the aircraft to instantly burst into flames by listening to Brittney Spears on your IPod

Really? Because she is flamingly retarded...
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:54 pm

I expect the reason they asked was that you had your headphones in your ears.  Smile
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:00 pm

Quoting UAalltheway (Reply 1):

According to FAA and airline policy/law it could interfere with you hearing crewmember instruction if an emergency should happen after take-off.



Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 12):
I expect the reason they asked was that you had your headphones in your ears. Smile

On both Frontier and jetBlue, which I've flown and both which feature PTV's, the PTV's are left on following the safety demo and are on and useable during taxi and takeoff, as well as landing...to listen to them obviously involves using headsets, so Im not too sure if there's a specific reg banning the use of headphones during taxi/takeoff/landing

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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:15 pm

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 13):
On both Frontier and jetBlue, which I've flown and both which feature PTV's, the PTV's are left on following the safety demo and are on and useable during taxi and takeoff, as well as landing...to listen to them obviously involves using headsets, so Im not too sure if there's a specific reg banning the use of headphones during taxi/takeoff/landing

The regulations cover personal electronic devices. The PTVs are part of the aircraft and not personal electronic devices.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:21 pm

Quoting Fbm3rd (Thread starter):
So can someone explain to me why my ipod harms the takeoff of an airplane...i am not attempting to say that my ipod does NOT harm the take off, all i am saying is that if my ipod does, do i really wanta fly anymore???

As pointed out, its a pure safety issue, and if you refused to comply with such a simple request not to listen to them for takeoff or landing, and had been personally asked after the PA, and you still listened to them, I would most probably get you met at the gate, possibly arrested, and banned from flying with the airline again.

Because the industry is so safe, passengers often think their little change will not effect the outcome in an emergency, or cause an emergency, I don’t know if it will either. However I am lot going to experiment during an emergency with my life, other passengers lives, and your life. I want everything going my way before an emergency presented.

I also get very annoyed at passengers who move their seat backs after takeoff while the seat belt sign is still on, or undo their seat belts and stand up as we are getting closer to the gate. Both can turn into emergency situations so quickly.

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 9):
Believe it or not, the magnetic fields generated by portable electronic devices can interfere with the avionics in airliners.

The jury is still out on that, and a the extent of interference if any is common misconception amongst the public. I will use this misconception to my advantage at times when passengers fail to listen to simple PA or requests from cabin crew. Something like " Ladies and Gentleman we seem to be experiencing some interference to our navigation equipment which could effect the safety of out flight, if you have any electronic equipment on we ask that you immediately turn it off". You should see the speed at which passengers nearby tell them to turn it off thinking they will crash.

Some further reading
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAPAP2003_03.PDF
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/50/Gsm_intf.pdf
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aer...azine/aero_10/interfere_story.html
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:25 pm

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 14):
The regulations cover personal electronic devices. The PTVs are part of the aircraft and not personal electronic devices.

Obviously...that's not what I was talking about...the issue is the fact that the headphones required to properly use the PTV and the facecould be a safety issue during taxi/t.o./ and landing...

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Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:47 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 15):
The jury is still out on that, and a the extent of interference if any is common misconception amongst the public.

Oh there's no doubt that they can and do cause interference. However, you usually have to get the device very close to the avionics equipment itself before it is noticeable (i.e., in the cockpit). There are various antenna and wiring for avionics which pass through the cabin in close proximity to passengers.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:00 pm

Quoting Zeke (Reply 15):
I also get very annoyed at passengers who move their seat backs after takeoff while the seat belt sign is still on, or undo their seat belts and stand up as we are getting closer to the gate. Both can turn into emergency situations so quickly.

Kind of like that Turkish? Captain that after the usual "remain seated until the aircraft has come.....and The Captain has turned off the fasten seatbelt sign" announcement that slammed on the brakes and said, "Glad you were buckled up"


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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:44 pm

It is for the safety of every one in the plane. If the planes engine were to flame out on take off and the plane had a sharp movement the iPod could fall out of your hand and hit some one else.

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:49 pm

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 9):
Don't get me wrong, you aren't going to cause the aircraft to instantly burst into flames by listening to Brittney Spears on your IPod, but you can interfere with VHF radio communication and navigation signals if you happen to be sitting in the right spot in the airplane. This effect is especially important under 10,000 ft, because below this altitude airliners may be utilizing VHF navigation signals. Above this altitude, FMS based navigation is employed (utilizing a GPS or inertial reference system).

AFAIK, NW's DC-9s don't have an INS, it's VOR navigation all the way, and I've been allowed to use my CD player and laptop while in cruise on them.

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Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:20 pm

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 17):
Oh there's no doubt that they can and do cause interference. However, you usually have to get the device very close to the avionics equipment itself before it is noticeable (i.e., in the cockpit). There are various antenna and wiring for avionics which pass through the cabin in close proximity to passengers.

I'm not disagreeing with you but I have a funny story. There's a guy I know who's an A320 captain with UA based out of SFO. Earlier this year I was contracting at a place right under the approach path to the 28s near SFO and I told him I always wondered if he was flying one of those planes I'd see on approach every day. He told me, "Give me a call on my cell phone--if I'm flying over I'll answer it." A bunch of people were sitting around when he said that and we all laughed, however, he was serious. As far as he was concerned it wasn't a problem.

As for me, I'll listen to the flight attendant.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:56 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 20):
AFAIK, NW's DC-9s don't have an INS, it's VOR navigation all the way, and I've been allowed to use my CD player and laptop while in cruise on them.

The idea is at above 10,000 ft, if they experience problems with navigation, they'd announce that all electronic devices must be shut off, and they'd be able to correct any problem caused by the navigation problems manually, and/or before impacting another aircraft/object.

Below 10,000 ft, they are landing, or getting ready to land. Interfearance during this time could be a bad thing. If you're on final and the glideslope indicator jumps around, and the plane is on autoland, it wouldn't be fun.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:16 pm

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 9):
but you can interfere with VHF radio communication and navigation signals if you happen to be sitting in the right spot in the airplane. This effect is especially important under 10,000 ft, because below this altitude airliners may be utilizing VHF navigation signals



Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 9):
I have personally witnessed the effects of cellphone signals on avionics

But does it matter that iPods don't transmit anything?

Also... I had heard the cellphone thing was caused by the old "analog" cellphones which occassionally could screw up a TV/Radio reception on land as well. Are the newer (since say 1999-2000-ish) cellphones that are digital causing the same effects?
 
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 21):
Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 17):
Oh there's no doubt that they can and do cause interference. However, you usually have to get the device very close to the avionics equipment itself before it is noticeable (i.e., in the cockpit). There are various antenna and wiring for avionics which pass through the cabin in close proximity to passengers.

I'm not disagreeing with you but I have a funny story. There's a guy I know who's an A320 captain with UA based out of SFO. Earlier this year I was contracting at a place right under the approach path to the 28s near SFO and I told him I always wondered if he was flying one of those planes I'd see on approach every day.

I would agree, I would almost guarentee every flight I do at least one passenger and/or crew memeber will have left their phone on in the carry on luggage.

I have more problems with passengers boarding the aircraft still on the phone whilst we are refuelling, that is a bigger safety concern for me.

A good article and audio http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/399154.stm

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 21):
As for me, I'll listen to the flight attendant.

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:32 pm

Guys - this is all really very simple.

- The personal electronic devices may make you unable to hear emergency announcements over the PA. And emergencies do not always involve crashing the plane.

- When you're listening to an IFE (like airTran's XM radio), the broadcast will be interrupted by the PA.

You don't want to sit with your ipod on when the captain explains what's going to happen as he makes his no-flaps, overspeed, no-hydraulics landing ......
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:19 am

Im suprised no one nemtioned this...

If something happens the ipod becomes a projectile flying across the plane. If can hurt someone.
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting MNeo (Reply 26):
If something happens the ipod becomes a projectile flying across the plane. If can hurt someone.

people please... lets be honest, all these reasons are very valid and very sound, but the fact of the matter is these are reason not to allow anyone to carry anything during the flight. no ipod, no soda cans, nothing at all. anything can harm someone if it is thrown through the plane...i was just taking it easy and had an ipod in my LAP.....the point was that my IPOD could not be powered on, not that i had to put it away... lets get the arguments back on track...

what if it was powered on but i had the volume down..would that make a difference?? (you dont have to answer that one..just putting it out there)
 
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:35 am

One time I left my iPod on during take off and it bugged out. The screen was blinking, all of the songs were playing at a super fast speed. And as soon as I got off the plane it was perfectly fine. I thought it was very weird.


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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:40 am

Last night on a WN flight, during approach, I noticed that I was getting a crackling noise that wasn't there during when we were cruising. I asked the flight attendant if I needed to turn off my iPod, and she said no, only during take off.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:43 am

Ok. I have an iPod mini. On a flight couple of days ago from LHR - GLA, I was told to switch my iPod off, yet if you go to www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=4337, you will see that they use video cameras on t/o in this video. I know iPods and Video Cameras are different things, but they work on the same principle. "Please turn off ALL electrical devices", the phrase that flight attendants use time and time again. It is just precautionary, as far as I am concerned. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. i do harp on a bit.
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting MNeo (Reply 26):
If something happens the ipod becomes a projectile flying across the plane. If can hurt someone.

Even when I turn it off, it's still clipped to my waist, or in my shirt pocket if I'm wearing a dress shirt, in the same exact position as when its turned on. If something attached to my pants or to my shirt pocket is going to become a projectile... either I just became a projectile... or I'm showing the world my paler parts. And trust me, I'm not that attractive haha.

Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 25):
- The personal electronic devices may make you unable to hear emergency announcements over the PA. And emergencies do not always involve crashing the plane.



Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 25):
You don't want to sit with your ipod on when the captain explains what's going to happen as he makes his no-flaps, overspeed, no-hydraulics landing ......

Makes sense for some people and I understand that basis for the rule... though for me even at cruise... if the flight deck speaks, I listen, and my iPod is never too loud to hear that the Captain is speaking (and then take out the ear bud). You never know when he could be mentioning which FL you're cruising at, the storm you're circumnavigating, etc... and as an aviation geek you want to hear that kind of stuff  Smile
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:56 am

I dunno....I do abide by the rules, but when I was on the road in the mid - 80's, every airline I flew, with the exception of Piedmont and Jet America, allowed cassette players to be operated during all phases of flights.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:55 am

At my airline, everything you bring on board the airplane has to be stowed under the seat in front of you or in the overhead compartment before the aircraft is technically secure for taxi. This includes all Portable Electronic Devices. This also means it cannot be in, or attached to the seatback pocket in front of you. Personally, I always enforce this regulation and my airline's take on it. If anyone wants to give me trouble, all I have to do is pull out my manual and show them. Once they see that, refusal to comply is a Federal Offense and that usually gets them stow the item. In fact, once I tell them to stow it, refusal to comply is a Federal Offense. But one must pick and choose their battles these days  Wink Anyway. I always offer to stow it in a bag for them in an overhead, because usually the aircraft is getting ready to pushback and we don't want them out of their seat for that!

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 30):
Ok. I have an iPod mini. On a flight couple of days ago from LHR - GLA, I was told to switch my iPod off, yet if you go to www.flightlevel350.com/viewer.php?id=4337, you will see that they use video cameras on t/o in this video. I know iPods and Video Cameras are different things, but they work on the same principle. "Please turn off ALL electrical devices", the phrase that flight attendants use time and time again. It is just precautionary, as far as I am concerned. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. i do harp on a bit.

On the roads on occasion I see some signs that tell you what is the safe speed to go. On occasion, I also see people going much faster than what is indicated  Yeah sure

Ever heard of breaking the rules???

As to why all electrical devices must be turned off, well... can you imagine if they would have to list only those you actually should turn off in order to hear the crew safety announcements?

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Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:47 am

Are PSP's safe to use in flight?

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting MNeo (Reply 26):
Im suprised no one nemtioned this...

If something happens the ipod becomes a projectile flying across the plane. If can hurt someone

If this is the justification then I think you also have to be prepared to defend not allowing, for example, books during takeoff and landing. Or babies. Given the right circumstances, just about anything can "become a flying projectile." I see no reason to pick on the electronic devices and the people who use them.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:55 am

Quoting KAUSpilot (Reply 9):

If you have a Radio or crappy set of computer speakers that plug into your USB port, call your cell or have someone send you a text message and you will hear the interference from the cell phone.

Now CD players and Ipods I think are banned due to evacuation reasons, with them away, its just one less item in the way preventing the quickest possible evacuation.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:50 am

The rule is simple. Any electronic devices with an on/off switch must be off.

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 23):
But does it matter that iPods don't transmit anything?

Oh, but most electronic devices, particularly those containing a microprocessor, can and do radiate significant RF even if they contain nothing that would be intended as a transmitter. The reality is that many consumer electronic devices radiate far more electromagnetic energy than regulations allow and over a wide RF spectrum with potential for all sorts of interference.

Now, the record seems to indicate that actual interference with aircraft systems is somewhere close to nil although there are a handful of suspicious incidents documented. Two related items that I've read about:

1. A UK experiment (in a real commercial aircraft but not during actual op's) did demonstrate that various radio and avionics systems were vulnerable to consumer electronic devices, including cell phones, dependent mostly upon their location in the cabin with respect to avionics/radio wiring.

2. A private pilot noted that his portable AM/FM radio he usually brought along with him could cause considerable interference with his radio and radio instruments if it was located in the "right" position in the cockpit.
 
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:15 am

I was lucky enough to sit in the right seat of a PC-12 for a few days in South Africa. During an approach into a major airport, we heard over the radio that an SAA 732 had a complete flap failure and was coming in extremely fast, and in front of us in the queue for landing.

The pilot I was with told me to watch the controls and listen to ATC for instructions whilst he got on his cellphone to call his colleague on the ground at the airport. It seemed there was no problem at all with interference, or any other sort of problem.

Fortunately the 732 vacated the runway with some glowing brakes but no damage.
 
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:18 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 15):
I also get very annoyed at passengers who move their seat backs after takeoff while the seat belt sign is still on, or undo their seat belts and stand up as we are getting closer to the gate. Both can turn into emergency situations so quickly.

The latter yes, the former no. I routinely recline my seat a few seconds after takeoff because there's no way it could be a problem. If the aircraft has a problem it must (a) either return to the airport, meaning it must turn around and land, so I'll have suitable time to recover, or (b) land immediately, in which case we probably aren't walking off the airplane.

The seatbelt sign tells you to keep your seatbelt on because you need to be chained to the seat. That's got nothing to do with the angle of my seatback.
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:45 am

Quoting Zeke (Reply 15):
I also get very annoyed at passengers who move their seat backs after takeoff while the seat belt sign is still on, or undo their seat belts and stand up as we are getting closer to the gate. Both can turn into emergency situations so quickly

As far as I know there is no specific rule stating when you can put your seat back. After take-off is completed I have never heard anyone ever say put your seat back up. Afterall, the seatbelt signs sometimes stays on during most of a flight, which according to the way you are posting would mean you could never put your seat back.
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:35 am

And so for those of us who like to film the aircraft taking off and/or landing from a window seat, does my digital camera constitute a personal electric device? Surely it has an on/off switch and is powered by batteries.

But, I had an exit row and the flight attendant watched me film our take off and even asked about the quality of it.

Just wondering.  Smile Honest question.
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:51 am

Quoting B767400ER (Reply 43):
And so for those of us who like to film the aircraft taking off and/or landing from a window seat, does my digital camera constitute a personal electric device? Surely it has an on/off switch and is powered by batteries

In response to your question, this is how my Flight Attendant Manual reads:

It lists many kinds of devices in three classes, Prohibited Devices (at all times), Acceptable Devices (Above 10,000 feet) and Acceptable Devices (at all times). Video Cameras, Photographic and digital cameras are all listed under Acceptable Devices (Above 10,000 feet). This means that at my airline, I could not allow you to film our take-off or landing. This is company policy.

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:40 pm

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 41):
The latter yes, the former no. I routinely recline my seat a few seconds after takeoff because there's no way it could be a problem.

It is a problem in an emergency as the person behind obstacle clear space now has the back of your seat in it, they would plant their head in the back of your seat.

Also makes it difficult for people behind to exit the row.

Also does not secure you properly, they seats are not tested in an emergency reclined.

Quoting Flybynight (Reply 42):
As far as I know there is no specific rule stating when you can put your seat back. After take-off is completed I have never heard anyone ever say put your seat back up. Afterall, the seatbelt signs sometimes stays on during most of a flight, which according to the way you are posting would mean you could never put your seat back

I said "move their seat backs after takeoff while the seat belt sign is still on"

For the takeoff phase we have a sterile cockpit, cabin crew are not allowed to contact us until we have turned the seat belt sign off, if they have no idea its safe to recline the seat, then you most certainly will not.

In turbulence I ask people to be seated with the seat belt fastened, i.e. return to the closest seat and put the belt on. In cruise I would only leave it one for 20 minutes maximum when going through weather, that would be 160 nm.

For takeoff and landing we have cards and PAs which say leave you seat upright, we don’t say this fur cruise.
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:47 pm

Quoting B767400ER (Reply 43):
But, I had an exit row and the flight attendant watched me film our take off and even asked about the quality of it.

Just wondering. Honest question.

thats a good one... from looking at half the pic on a.net we see people use cameras all the dang time...tis tis

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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:04 pm

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 40):
The pilot I was with told me to watch the controls and listen to ATC for instructions whilst he got on his cellphone to call his colleague on the ground at the airport. It seemed there was no problem at all with interference, or any other sort of problem.

Interesting... Do you remember your altitude? I'm asking because I really don't know in which altitude cell phones can work...
 
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:55 pm

Quoting Digao (Reply 47):
Interesting... Do you remember your altitude? I'm asking because I really don't know in which altitude cell phones can work...

Yeah - we were on an extended downwind leg at the time - approximately 2500-4000ft. I think you get pretty good reception even at up to 10000ft or so as long as you're not far from a transmitter.
 
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RE: My Ipod And Take-off? Whats The Problem?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:53 pm

Quoting Fbm3rd (Thread starter):
ipod harms the takeoff of an airplane

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