wedgetail737
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F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:08 am

Frontier Announces First Ever Denver-Dayton Non-stops and Becomes Fresno's First Low-Fare Carrier

What's up with this headline??? Allegiant is a LLC... Do they not count?
 
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Thread starter):
What's up with this headline??? Allegiant is a LLC... Do they not count?

An LLC is a Limited Liability Company. An LCC is a Low Cost Carrier. I think F9 means to say they are the first major LCC into FAT
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:39 am

Yeah...LLC...LCC...I get them mixed up all the time.
 
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:56 am

I heard a rumor that Fresno wanted to change their airport code to FYI because pax thought that when agents were labelling their luggage, they were calling them "FAT". Anybody else hear about this?
 
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:11 am

nah, HP has served FAT pretty well for a while now, albeit on CRJs, but the frequency makes up for the smaller aircraft.
 
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:58 am

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 3):
Fresno wanted to change their airport code to FYI [snip] Anybody else hear about this?

Yes. The FYI stands for Fresno Yosemite International.

It takes more than just "wanting" to get your airport code changed if it is an existing issue. Only one I can think of was JFK.
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:04 am

It actually takes alot for an airport IATA and ICAO to be changed, many things, mainly because so much documentation has to be updated.
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:13 am

Fresno Yosemite International is the airport name now, but the code will remain as FAT. Much like Denver International Airport is DIA, but will remain DEN. Did they have the option to change it when it moved from Stapleton? Or is the process much more complicated than that.

Back on topic though, I am curious how F9 is doing there. I watched their plane land and only a few folks deplaned.
 
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:19 am

Quoting JC5280 (Reply 7):
Fresno Yosemite International is the airport name now, but the code will remain as FAT. Much like Denver International Airport is DIA, but will remain DEN. Did they have the option to change it when it moved from Stapleton? Or is the process much more complicated than that.

It's always been DEN, ever since I think when it was first given an identifier out at the old Denver Municipal Airport (What Stapleton started life as). When the airport moved and was renamed DIA, the DEN code moved with it, mainly because it's just easier to modify (approaches, departures, runways, coordinates) an existing code than create a new one.
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:27 am

According to this article, the Fresno City Council voted on Aug. 20 to change the airport code from FAT to FYI.

http://www.fresnocog.org/outlook5/fatfyi.htm
 
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:57 am

Have any of our fellow airline employee friends know of any new service being initiated to FAT? I think this market could really use some new service even if it's with RJ's or even with something like the E70 etc.

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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:03 pm

Maybe if F9 Jet Express gets ahold of some extra CRJ-700 (QX) they can fly to FAT  Smile
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:28 pm

Quoting CentralCA (Reply 9):
According to this article, the Fresno City Council voted on Aug. 20 to change the airport code from FAT to FYI.

That article was from 1996. Given all of the process to change the code of an existing airport, the city was basically told by the federal government that just a name change to Fresno Yosemite International wasn't a compelling enough reason to also change the FAT identifier.

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 10):
Have any of our fellow airline employee friends know of any new service being initiated to FAT? I think this market could really use some new service even if it's with RJ's or even with something like the E70 etc.



Quoting MD90fan (Reply 11):
Maybe if F9 Jet Express gets ahold of some extra CRJ-700 (QX) they can fly to FAT

The F9 service has been operating about 6 weeks now. We should be able to find out in the next week or so how the first month went. Hopefully it will be successful enough over the next year to warrant more flights or larger equipment.

Of course Mexicana is scheduled to start next year. Construction is starting on the FIS.
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RE: F9 At FAT

Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:48 pm

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 12):
That article was from 1996. Given all of the process to change the code of an existing airport, the city was basically told by the federal government that just a name change to Fresno Yosemite International wasn't a compelling enough reason to also change the FAT identifier.

The Feds have nothing to do with it. ICAO assigns 3-letter designators, and to change one costs a mid-six digit figure. You have to do alot of reprogramming, issue new navigation publications pertinent to the change, and so forth.

If Stapleton remained today, then DIA would actually be DIA. Fresno will always be FAT. Somebody had mentioned JFK being changed. I don't know why it was, but I can assume the change proposal had such significant political backing that regulatory agencies were willing to allocate the financial resources to do it.

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